Stark wrote:You'd think the DC-area bases would have armour in them too, but apparently not. The T-51 is in a super-stasis place, so clearly someone in the last 200 years has swept through and taken all the others.
The Knights thing doesn't bother me; in F2 they were seriously declining and they never had many numbers. If they're manufacturing the shit variety or found a pile of them, there's no reason not to give them to everyone.
Saying they had lots a hundred years ago on the other side of the country is still irrelevant.
I suppose the abundance of the trashcan armor is due to the protests and riots in American cities due to the annexation of Canada, which resulted in the deployment of U.S. power armored troops on American soil.
Maybe they needed the T-51bs in Alaska/guarding West-Tek and sent the crap to Washington.
Still hate them anyway, I'll have my T-51bs, logic be damned.
Does it say the 45 uses rivets?
Don't think so, no.
I thought it was the 'improved' power armour from 2, with the silly horn things?
I found the fact that when I was taken prisoner they stuck me in a cell with my guns and power armor even more offensively stupid than the ending, personally. Apparently the Evil Overlord's Guide did not survive the nuclear war, or if it did, the idiots in the Enclave never read it.
Jaevric wrote:I found the fact that when I was taken prisoner they stuck me in a cell with my guns and power armor even more offensively stupid than the ending, personally. Apparently the Evil Overlord's Guide did not survive the nuclear war, or if it did, the idiots in the Enclave never read it.
The President wants you to have your gear back, that part isn't too illogical.
Well, maybe Autumn should have objected, but then Autumn is an idiot. This guy has the exact same goal as you yet still insists on fighting you at every turn.
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Jaevric wrote:I found the fact that when I was taken prisoner they stuck me in a cell with my guns and power armor even more offensively stupid than the ending, personally. Apparently the Evil Overlord's Guide did not survive the nuclear war, or if it did, the idiots in the Enclave never read it.
The President wants you to have your gear back, that part isn't too illogical.
Well, maybe Autumn should have objected, but then Autumn is an idiot. This guy has the exact same goal as you yet still insists on fighting you at every turn.
It's still pretty bad. I didn't need guns and armor to talk to the President -- he could've given it back to me if/when I agreed to do what he wanted done. Eden was stupid for thinking that giving me weapons and armor and letting me stroll around their base was a good idea after what happened to my father and given my proven track record for mayhem, slaughter, and explosions coupled with the fact I had over a dozen small nuclear weapons on my person. If they wanted to make a good-faith gesture they could have done something sneaky and underhanded like removing the firing pins from all the guns, which would have at least had the benefit of being hilarious when Autumn told the guards to stop me and I tried to shoot them. It's not real likely I would've thought to fire off a few rounds when I got my gear back just to make sure the guns still worked (at least not until I got face-to-face with President Eden...).
I think Eden was gambling on you, Autumn didn't want to go through with his FEV plan because of his "humanity" (yeah the same humanity that enabled him to murder an unarmed scientist in cold blood and shoot prisoners after cooperating, but regardless..) and all the Enclave troops seem to side with Autumn, hence you are Eden's only hope.
Which calls into question who Eden was planning to preserve if everybody went with Autumn.. oh fuck it, the whole plot just doesn't work unless you turn your brain off.
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Is there a point to the ICBM that you can almost launch from Ft. Constiane? Or is it one of those things they thought would be neat, Hey look its a almost launchable nuclear missle.
"There are very few problems that cannot be solved by the suitable application of photon torpedoes
Zixinus wrote:I did and supposedly it can open something but I already got the dandy power armour and there was supposedly nothing else worthwhile in the place.
And there really should have been a carma reduction. I mean, good God, I just luanched an ICBM!
Zixinus wrote:I did and supposedly it can open something but I already got the dandy power armour and there was supposedly nothing else worthwhile in the place.
And there really should have been a carma reduction. I mean, good God, I just luanched an ICBM!
Meh - what's one more ICBM?
Depends on where's it aimed
"There are very few problems that cannot be solved by the suitable application of photon torpedoes
Australia, because they should have gotten off almost unscathed from the apocalypse. Time to spread the love.
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I donnu, what's a few thousand more people and a couple more hundred square kilometres of uninhabtiable land count?
This might have been better logic right after the bombs stopped falling, but it has been 200 years since then. The bombed area may have been inhabited!
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I donnu, what's a few thousand more people and a couple more hundred square kilometres of uninhabtiable land count?
This might have been better logic right after the bombs stopped falling, but it has been 200 years since then. The bombed area may have been inhabited!
Have you SEEN the state of the capitol wasteland? Even if the ICBM were aimed BACK AT THE SILO from which it was launched, it'd be doing most of those poor bastards a favor. Instead of dying slowly from irradiated water of cancer or whatever, they're snuffed out quickly. It obvious that 200 years netted very little progress back towards some semblance of normalcy. If we as a species are that pathetic, then we do not deserve a second chance. ICBM ahoy.
Have you SEEN the state of the capitol wasteland? Even if the ICBM were aimed BACK AT THE SILO from which it was launched, it'd be doing most of those poor bastards a favor. Instead of dying slowly from irradiated water of cancer or whatever, they're snuffed out quickly. It obvious that 200 years netted very little progress back towards some semblance of normalcy. If we as a species are that pathetic, then we do not deserve a second chance. ICBM ahoy.
So the best solution is killing them?
Wasteland or no, you would still likely kill people and that alone should net you SOME bad karma. The wasteland is a shithole, but throwing in a nuke won't make it better, only worse.
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Ok this is set 200 years after WW3 and after FO2 so why is the enclave still broadcasting, Plus why has not civilation started back up in this neck of the world after all the NCR (New California Rebulic I think it was) existed fairly well off in FO2
"There are very few problems that cannot be solved by the suitable application of photon torpedoes
I'd wager the United States East Coast was more heavily bombarded than the West Coast. That, or the sheer volume of Super Mutants who didn't have a Brotherhood of Steel or Vault-emerging hero to keep them in check early on.
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dragon wrote:Is there a point to the ICBM that you can almost launch from Ft. Constiane? Or is it one of those things they thought would be neat, Hey look its a almost launchable nuclear missle.
I don't know what's worse, that or the missile satellite at one of the satcom stations.
"Oh shit I just launched the entire payload of an orbital nuclear missile satellite! I'm doomed!"
*a dozen missiles drop down around me, making explosions no bigger than a Fat Man or a nuclear car*
"..... what?"
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dragon wrote:Is there a point to the ICBM that you can almost launch from Ft. Constiane? Or is it one of those things they thought would be neat, Hey look its a almost launchable nuclear missle.
I don't know what's worse, that or the missile satellite at one of the satcom stations.
"Oh shit I just launched the entire payload of an orbital nuclear missile satellite! I'm doomed!"
*a dozen missiles drop down around me, making explosions no bigger than a Fat Man or a nuclear car*
"..... what?"
Weeeell.... that might be due to the fact that after 200 years sitting up there the tritium fuses have long since decayed, so all you see is a little fizz as the thing fails to detonate properly. Or developer incompetence. Most likely option 2.
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TC Pilot wrote:I'd wager the United States East Coast was more heavily bombarded than the West Coast. That, or the sheer volume of Super Mutants who didn't have a Brotherhood of Steel or Vault-emerging hero to keep them in check early on.
Well. That's the thing. The Mutants originate on the West Coast with The Master's plans, and migrated east, recruiting new members. The Brotherhood meanwhile, BEATS them eastward because in FoT, an airborne expedition was launched and lands in the Midwest.
Presumably, the BoS we find here are a branch of that more liberal, less well equipped Brotherhood. Which does explain the trashcan armor, and generally more open nature...
Darth Onasi wrote:The super mutants here have nothing do do with the Master, though. Which is dumb, but there it is.
They look like Remnants of the Master's army, with gear and centaurs and all... They presumably have their own vats to restock their supply, and I was under the impression they were what was left of Gammoran's forces after FOT?
Darth Onasi wrote:The super mutants here have nothing do do with the Master, though. Which is dumb, but there it is.
They look like Remnants of the Master's army, with gear and centaurs and all... They presumably have their own vats to restock their supply, and I was under the impression they were what was left of Gammoran's forces after FOT?
There's another explanation given, if you haven't gone through the plot I won't spoil it for you.
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Plus if I recall Bethesda said that they didn't consider Tactics canon.
Which, if I remember Tactics' plot correctly, may have been for the best in a lot of respects. (even though that would have handily explained a lot of stuff in 3)
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dragon wrote:Is there a point to the ICBM that you can almost launch from Ft. Constiane? Or is it one of those things they thought would be neat, Hey look its a almost launchable nuclear missle.
I don't know what's worse, that or the missile satellite at one of the satcom stations.
"Oh shit I just launched the entire payload of an orbital nuclear missile satellite! I'm doomed!"
*a dozen missiles drop down around me, making explosions no bigger than a Fat Man or a nuclear car*
"..... what?"
Hum haven't found that one yet, where is it? Granted I haven't done much of the main quest as I've been doing all the side side and exploring. Plus gotta say the opening to FO2 was much better than FO3 opening. Gotta love the look of the helmeted guy as they guns were going off.
"There are very few problems that cannot be solved by the suitable application of photon torpedoes
No, the Mutants on the East Coast have zero to do with the Master's Army. In fact, I would wager that if the Master's army encountered these Mutants they would feel oblidged to put them down, as the East Coast mutants are obviously opposed to the Unity concept--their cannibalism and farming of humans is evidence enough of their own parasitic worthlessness overall that Master's Army philosophers would probably consider them as useless as the humans they depend on for food. Even the dumb members of the Master's army were more well disciplined than any of the mutants you see out east, and the ones out west had childlike minds, but not ones prone for advanced early-onset senility. Combined with behemoth-like growth, they are entirely unsuited to repopulate the wastes, and would be poor allies. Masters Army Remnants would be better off staying in NCR where they are tolerated.
The East Coast mutants have been around a while out East, and until the BoS showed up, they were stampeding all over everything in the region. Because of this it has been relatively difficult to establish much in the way of a large, organized community. Aside from some outliers like Andale (which could be explained anyway) most of the successful settlements in the D.C. area are out of the reach of roving mutant attacks, or are recent throw-togethers. Girdershade, for example, is just two people who presumably set up their place not long ago. Megaton has massive metal walls to keep the mutants, radiers and slavers out and Rivet City is obviously designed to restrict access, and Underworld is ignored by the mutants entirely. The others are small little towns that could have easily sprung up in the span of a few years, much like Grayditch's transient population. Plus, the BoS has been around for quite some time, 10-15 years or so, which would account for the shitty nature of the settlements we see. That's all the time they've really had, most of them, to settle in.
The BoS in the area of D.C. are also quite different. As they'll tell you if you ask, especially the Outcasts which are available to chat with early on, the Brotherhood is generally uninterested in defending communities and such. However, an expeditionary force was sent to secure the East Coast's technological stores, and if it hadn't been for what they found in the Pentagon's ruins, they would have probably returned soon afterwards with little to show for it. However, the time spent in D.C. caused the leader of the BoS expedition to soften his approach and decide that his primary goal would be to stem the tide of mutants. This caused some large number of his soldiers to defect and form the Outcast patrols you see all over the place, and got Elder Lyons cut off from BoS aid in the west. If the BoS hadn't altered their objectives, the people in D.C. would have been even worse off due to the mutant harrasments.
Thus they've taken on a lot of idiot recruits to help replace their numbers, people like Initiate Redding. The trashcan armor is a result of the fact they are no longer being supported and have to make do with what they have both in terms of piss-poor soldiers and lack of logistical support. It also seems reasonable to me that the Brotherhood, which is incapable of manufacturing advanced armors on their own, would either use old stores of domestic armor or their technological prowess to build some basic armor of their own. In any case, this is an incredibly unusual situation for the Brotherhood to be in, which has forced them to take on a lot of tasks they're not suited for and suffer badly because of it. The Brotherhood was never a very potent combat force anyway, they had armor and weapons but they were terribly outnumbered and the Enclave's shit was nearly always better than theirs--as well as being more numerous and better backed up. In the design notes for the cancelled version of FO3 back in the day, the Brotherhood was set to have started a War with the NCR and lost due to an inability to replace soldiers with any degree of speed. What we're seeing in D.C. and hearing from the Outcasts is that the Brotherhood is acting way out of character, and it is only the fact that the people of D.C. (as opposed to the people who know the California brotherhood) like them so much that they're able to replace their soldiers at all--trashcan armor or not.
I imagine this is also why they support Three Dog at all, to provide them with a mouthpiece and put their own propaganda out there for the populace to absorb. Three Dog is incredibly isolated and poorly informed, I assume he's spoon-fed Brotherhood reports from his guards down below, since his embrace of tolerance and his notable support for the city's Ghouls is in striking opposition to the Brotherhood's indiscriminate policy of shooting ghouls on sight, if we are to believe the residents of the Ghoul-city. Overall, the Brotherhood has always been a very heavy-handed light shade of gray, and one that was even a nemesis in some non-canon endings of FO1, so the way the D.C. bunch is behaving is odd and cause for the schism you see with the Brotherhood Outcasts.
