World of Warships

[Jub]

So it's a cruiser-centric map... I don't really see the issue with that. I imagine fast battleships would do fine in there too. *shrugs* There are always going to be maps which favor one line of ships over another. The 'Ocean' map is pretty slanted in the favour of battleships because there's nowhere for DD's and CV's to hide, 'Islands' and 'Big Race' are good DD maps because there's a lot of islands, and so forth...

The issue with Brothers is the same as a lot of the issues on early WoT maps. It offers only two paths and the team that rushes the right path with enough numbers wins. It's not that the map favors fast ships, it's that the map favors flipping a coin and hoping you've decided to send most of your forces down the correct side. It also tends to mean that you get 10 ships down one flank and 2 BBs trying, and failing to hold the other flank and getting no reward (in terms of exp and credits) for doing a vital job.

[Skywalker_T-65]

Pretty much. That's exactly what happened in my first New York battle. Got stuck with nothing but a cruiser that bolted early and a Wyoming that got stomped by air-dropped torps backing me up trying to hold a flank.

Needless to say, that didn't end well.

[Thanas]

So I just moved up to the Colorado from the New Mexico. What I find hilarious in the US BB line is that the Colorado, with its 16 inch guns, is really not suited for long-range battle (horrible dispersion, bad range and less barrels total than the New Mexico and New York, who are excellent at long range duels) but excels at short range. 16inch guns = you being a shotgun.

[Skywalker_T-65]

While using the forum is always something that should be taken with a grain of salt...

Everyone seems to hate the Colorado. It's generally considered a downgrade, compared to the previous ships. I can't speak from experience there as I just started the New York though.

[Thanas]

It would be a great ship if the dispersion wasn't that bad. I mean, I aim for center mass at a non-moving target at 18km range and of the two shells one hits the stern and one misses the bow by a couple of meters. Other than that, there is no downgrade to it from the New Mexico once you research the better hulls.

[Temjin]

My hatred of low tier destroyers continues.

First battle in the Hosho and I'm playing on Big Race. Most of my team is dead, and I'm being fired on by several ships, but I'm heading into the south west of the map where I'm going to be at least a little bit covered by the islands there. I even managed to dodge a spread of torps fired by the enemy... but not the torps fired by the destroyer trying to "protect" me...

And of course, no apology and no acknowledgement.

It's almost getting to the point that I'd rather be near an enemy destroyer than one on my own team. Probably safer.

[Zinegata]

Two Brothers always ends up with you either:
a) Trying hard to stop an overwhelming enemy push or
b) Trudging behind your cruisers who do most of the fighting because BBs are slow.

The only way to make Two Brothers enjoyable is to have seven battleships steam right through the middle, only to realize halfway up that the enemy team didn't move from the cap at all and were all waiting for you, and to continue to charge anyway even after the enemy team sends a message saying "Uh, guys? Are you REALLY going to do this?"

Well, okay, almost everyone on my team enjoyed that match even though it was a massacre. The only guy who clearly didn't enjoy himself was a Cleveland driver who didn't join the death ride, snuck up behind the enemy team, and proceeded to sink four enemy ships while the enemy was also too busy laughing at the whole situation. I'm guessing the Cleveland Captain was muttering "Idiots, we could have _won_" the whole time.

[Elheru Aran]

Well... as long as everybody's having fun

I think I'll take some time in my Chikuma today and try to level up to the Tenryu. Hopefully I can survive more than two minutes into the game. I understand the Tenryu is supposed to be pretty decent?

[Skywalker_T-65]

I liked it. A fun little ship really.

Liked the Kuma more myself. Still got it in my dock since it has a lot of fast firing guns. Furutaka though...yeah. Not a fan.

[Jub]

I liked it. A fun little ship really.

Liked the Kuma more myself. Still got it in my dock since it has a lot of fast firing guns. Furutaka though...yeah. Not a fan.

The Furutaka isn't bad really, those 8" guns let it fire AP at more targets and the torpedoes are much better than what the Omaha gets.

[Thanas]

Holy shit faildivisions seem to haunt me today. One example: Guy is in a Tier I paired up with a Tier VI. Then declares that it totally doesn't ruin the matchup because we get more higher tiers to compensate for his tier I. Well, shit, sure, that two more Tier VII will do so much more. Idiot doesn't want to realize that three Tier VI are more valuable than having Two Tier VIII and one Tier I.

[Sea Skimmer]

So I noticed in the latest update it was claimed 1) carrier balance now takes into account carrier tier, which is kind of sad that this was not true before, but it was certainly noticeably not true before and 2) battleship guns are now supposed to be much more accurate inside 3km. Presumably to deal with the fact that battleships were really just not able to defeat even a lone damaged destroyer at point blank range with any reliability. Anyone have a chance to test the later? The former I'm unsure on, had a couple 2-1 carrier rounds today, as is typical, but all of them involved equal rank carriers.

The rest of the match making remains as poor as ever, at least with no accounting for the maps. Six destroyers on one team and three on the other is not going to work!

[Thanas]

So I noticed in the latest update it was claimed 1) carrier balance now takes into account carrier tier, which is kind of sad that this was not true before, but it was certainly noticeably not true before and 2) battleship guns are now supposed to be much more accurate inside 3km. Presumably to deal with the fact that battleships were really just not able to defeat even a lone damaged destroyer at point blank range with any reliability. Anyone have a chance to test the later? The former I'm unsure on, had a couple 2-1 carrier rounds today, as is typical, but all of them involved equal rank carriers.

The rest of the match making remains as poor as ever, at least with no accounting for the maps. Six destroyers on one team and three on the other is not going to work!

The first claim seems true but they haven't fixed the main problem, which is that some times, one team has a carrier and the other side doesn't. The spotting alone makes the side with the carrier OP. Also, I have had unequal carrier rounds as well.

The second claim is bogus IMO - I haven't seen any improvement. That said, I rarely miss at anything from below 10km anyway. The biggest issues with DDs is that they are undetected outside of 4-5km which really fucks any BB over because one cannot traverse the guns in that time. So if this is the direct fix to the DD beiing the hardcounter to the BB it really isn't doing much.

[Sea Skimmer]

Someone just told me in game, that patch isn't actually deployed yet. And I just took part in a stupid unbalanced game thanks to that, one Langley vs a Zuiho and a Ranger. We won with zero losses, they also had an AFK Fuso to make it even better.

Anyone else notice that AA fire appears not to be affected by land masses in the line of fire? I can't say I care since it only makes me better, but seems like a bug! Another bug they said this upcoming patch will address though, and is badly needed, is that 'sliding along the wall' shit people can pull off on the map edges which also sometimes bugs out even further to make them physically impossible to hit.

[Thanas]

Oh dear god the line scummers. I got destroyed by a linescumming Nagato who just rode the line at 10k hitpoints and I couldn't hit him. There should be a specal hell reserved for line scummers.

[Sea Skimmer]

It is very annoying. But beta and all that, I have no issues with the company on being a bit slow fixing a free game when making new fleets is probably the main priority, but god do I hate some of the random fans whom insist the game is 100% done and flawless.

On a comical note though a few days ago I saw a destroyer sliding on the edge get caught in a corner between the edge of the map and an island on two brothers, on the upper right, and it appeared he actually couldn't get out of it. Reverse put him off the map, forward into the island, so he had three cruisers raining fire on him unable to get a hit, and couldn't move either. The game actually ended on points without him sunk.

[darthkommandant]

Just got the very useful Spotting Aircraft for my Myogi. The little biplane comes in handy quite often and led to two matches where I citadeled and killed 2 cruisers with my main guns. I am also getting better at dodging torpedoes. Overall I like the ship especially when I can lure the enemy into a stern chase.

[Skywalker_T-65]

...okay. New York with rangefinder+engine upgrade is a good ship. But damn is the base hull not good enough to deal with a freakin Hiryu. And that's not even touching the Nagato that was with it. That was a rough match, especially since we didn't even have a T6 BB for support.

[darthkommandant]

I love Myogi type C AA guns. Finally a ship with an effective AAA layout.

[Vendetta]

So changes incoming from test server. Looking forward to the ranked format, will have to get up them tiers to have more than one available ship.

Also carrier balance will be better, which will be nice, due to the ability of higher tier carriers (or more if they simply outnumber the opponent) to completely shut down lower tiers it can be functionally playing a man down. (I'd say it's actually better to have no carrier than have one that is outtiered, because the other ship you get in its place can do something, whereas a down tiered carrier just gets all its planes killed for no effect and can't do a thing about it).

[Venator]

So changes incoming from test server. Looking forward to the ranked format, will have to get up them tiers to have more than one available ship.

Also carrier balance will be better, which will be nice, due to the ability of higher tier carriers (or more if they simply outnumber the opponent) to completely shut down lower tiers it can be functionally playing a man down. (I'd say it's actually better to have no carrier than have one that is outtiered, because the other ship you get in its place can do something, whereas a down tiered carrier just gets all its planes killed for no effect and can't do a thing about it).

Agreed. A Tier IV carriers' air group against a Tier VIs or so usually accomplishes nothing, but another destroyer (even at Tier IV) can wipe out the carriers themselves with aplomb.

[wautd]

Arr... finally a Cleveland in my port and even in stock configuration it kicks butt. I couldn't bear selling my Omaha though. I've had consistant good matches with it

[Nephtys]

I'd never sell the Omaha. It's basically the most capable heavy destroyer possible, with what gear it's armed with. So agile, yet so deadly at all ranges. You can dodge so much fire on a 30-45 degree approach zig.

[Covenant]

I'm just starting but right at the point where I need to decide if I'm going up Cruisers and BB's or up Cruisers and Destroyers--and then of course which to favor.

Not a clue what to do, really. I favor the US line because it's ships have much better name recognition for me, so my torpedo options are pretty thin, and it discourages me from going to the destroyers. The early cruisers feel a bit like battleships with their huge banks of cannon and relatively low speed, so I don't know if real battleships will be fun or will feel miserably slow. Cruisers should mature into good middle-ground vessels, which hefty AA and decent guns. The Carrier line should be decent but I have no idea, again, if that's something to do now or do later.

Completely confusing.

[wautd]

Pity that the starting tiers are around the Great War period. I would have loved to see some 1890's battleships/protected cruisers. They're so ugly that I find them rather beautiful (especially le French)

I'm just starting but right at the point where I need to decide if I'm going up Cruisers and BB's or up Cruisers and Destroyers--and then of course which to favor.

Not a clue what to do, really. I favor the US line because it's ships have much better name recognition for me, so my torpedo options are pretty thin, and it discourages me from going to the destroyers. The early cruisers feel a bit like battleships with their huge banks of cannon and relatively low speed, so I don't know if real battleships will be fun or will feel miserably slow. Cruisers should mature into good middle-ground vessels, which hefty AA and decent guns. The Carrier line should be decent but I have no idea, again, if that's something to do now or do later.

Completely confusing.

Cruisers are probably the most noob-friendly to start with thanks to their huge flexibility. Other classes are rather one-trick ponies with massive advantages and disadvantages.
Then again, it's pretty easy to try everything out as it doesn't take a lot of money and XP to try all the low tier ships.