Thirdfain wrote:Wow, Alyrium, now a home defense system that can stop RPG fire and KILLS trespassers. That'll be both legal AND popular!
Small arms fire... they are designed to provide protectin from gang warfre and the like.
In our country, if you have a no-trespassing sign... you can kill intruders. It has friend/foe recognition. Cops and the like are recognized by the computer as friendlly. So are small children unless the scanners detect weapons. Missionaries may or may not be authorized, and any visitor can request passage via a comm box.
Buyer beware. Needless to say when someone buys they certify in writing it is legal. And anything that is not is removed from the package and the price reduced accordingly.
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Stormbringer, those stations were going to the Psilons anyway, but the contract was canceled by them suddenly dropping out of sight. I've got maybe three or four (I'll have to read the specifics of the deal) for sale, and once they're gone I'm not building more for latecomers. The sale is just an attempt by the company to recoup the losses of building those suckers and then getting stiffed; this isn't a large-scale thing.
Thirdfain wrote:Wow, Alyrium, now a home defense system that can stop RPG fire and KILLS trespassers. That'll be both legal AND popular!
Once they stop wondering why the children weren't manning gun turrets and how you can have .3 of a child, the Etern Warriors are getting some of those lethal lawn gnomes. Legal smegal, it's a lawn gnome that fires rockets!
hehe .3 children. Nuclear family model.
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Thirdfain wrote:Wow, Alyrium, now a home defense system that can stop RPG fire and KILLS trespassers. That'll be both legal AND popular!
Once they stop wondering why the children weren't manning gun turrets and how you can have .3 of a child, the Etern Warriors are getting some of those lethal lawn gnomes. Legal smegal, it's a lawn gnome that fires rockets!
hehe .3 children. Nuclear family model.
'This family, it is nuclear?'
'EVERYONE DOWN! THE CHILD, IT IS A NUCLEAR BOMB!'
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SirNitram wrote:
Once they stop wondering why the children weren't manning gun turrets and how you can have .3 of a child, the Etern Warriors are getting some of those lethal lawn gnomes. Legal smegal, it's a lawn gnome that fires rockets!
hehe .3 children. Nuclear family model.
'This family, it is nuclear?'
'EVERYONE DOWN! THE CHILD, IT IS A NUCLEAR BOMB!'
You know what i mean you communist
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I'd think I'll be in the anti-spinward direrction, somewhat outside the ring, some distance to the Rhaelorans.
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Alyrium, why do suburban houses need shields and automated defense systems? Your inner cities must be war zones! Glad I'm not on that planet; Baeloaren archologies are quite safe, and crime rate is almost nil thanks to Order security forces.
Yeah, even Ousers don't kill each other so often that we need gun turrets and theatre shields in our suburban residences...
Frankly, the sort of citizens who need that sort of protection live in inner cities (and that's still a stretch...) and can't AFFORD a full home shielded and auto-gun system.
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Thirdfain wrote:Yeah, even Ousers don't kill each other so often that we need gun turrets and theatre shields in our suburban residences...
Frankly, the sort of citizens who need that sort of protection live in inner cities (and that's still a stretch...) and can't AFFORD a full home shielded and auto-gun system.
To be fair, the rich 25-30% of the population in Zimbabwe frequently uses such things for their mansions to keep out the riffraff. Of course, by things time you've already scaled the walls, so it's your own fault if you fall prey to their heat sensing gun turrets. Or at least that’s how it was explained to me. Of course Zimbabwe has some pretty fucked up economics which I won't even get into; needless to say, it's not a good system to model your galactic empire after.
Thirdfain wrote:Outside of my reach? No such place, my friend. No such place.
Don't be so sure, my friend. Don't be so sure.
I think he's got reason to be sure. Any power that's able to maintain credible presence in "known space" is going to be with in reach of the other powers. It's a simple fact.
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I think he's got reason to be sure. Any power that's able to maintain credible presence in "known space" is going to be with in reach of the other powers. It's a simple fact.
And even better, my FTL is perhaps the slowest in Known Space, but if we cannot bluff in OOC, where can we?
Dahak wrote:I'd think I'll be in the anti-spinward direrction, somewhat outside the ring, some distance to the Rhaelorans.
We had you out that way, actually, I just forgot to put you on the map. D'oh.
I'll have a revised copy up tonight with the noted changes on it, and a better sense of scale.
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I think he's got reason to be sure. Any power that's able to maintain credible presence in "known space" is going to be with in reach of the other powers. It's a simple fact.
And even better, my FTL is perhaps the slowest in Known Space, but if we cannot bluff in OOC, where can we?
You can bluff all you like, I just like veiwing plain old reality.
Murazor: After reading your OOB, I notice that your vessels are designed to emulate Ouster craft in terms of tactics and capability (it even says so in the Dreadnought description.)
The Ousters have only been in Known Space for about 6 months. The first time anyone even SAW a cataphract was only a little more than half a year ago, and they've been seen in combat only in the last 5 months. Frankly, there's no way your scientists could have observed, designed, and constructed 14 supercapital ships based on the Destiny of Man design in only 6 months.
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Thirdfain wrote:Murazor: After reading your OOB, I notice that your vessels are designed to emulate Ouster craft in terms of tactics and capability (it even says so in the Dreadnought description.)
The Ousters have only been in Known Space for about 6 months. The first time anyone even SAW a cataphract was only a little more than half a year ago, and they've been seen in combat only in the last 5 months. Frankly, there's no way your scientists could have observed, designed, and constructed 14 supercapital ships based on the Destiny of Man design in only 6 months.
Esp. considering Thirdfain only has like 9 of them.
Thirdfain wrote:Murazor: After reading your OOB, I notice that your vessels are designed to emulate Ouster craft in terms of tactics and capability (it even says so in the Dreadnought description.)
The Ousters have only been in Known Space for about 6 months. The first time anyone even SAW a cataphract was only a little more than half a year ago, and they've been seen in combat only in the last 5 months. Frankly, there's no way your scientists could have observed, designed, and constructed 14 supercapital ships based on the Destiny of Man design in only 6 months.
OK I will rewrite it, however I have been hitting the rules since I started here and I don't want to edit my OOB another 18 times. Can somebody give me a list of production speeds-ship design rules and so on.
Murazor wrote:OK I will rewrite it, however I have been hitting the rules since I started here and I don't want to edit my OOB another 18 times. Can somebody give me a list of production speeds-ship design rules and so on.
Frankly, aside from a general tech level there are no hard and fast rules. The best way to do it is simply to take a common sense approach to it. If you're going to have counter tactics, it would be wise to have that be plausible in game. As for design, keep in mind that quantity is inverse to capability.
The building rates are some what dependant but most people can complete a capital warship in about three to four months. Of course the superpowers of the game can right now build more of them at a time though.
Thirdfain wrote:Murazor: After reading your OOB, I notice that your vessels are designed to emulate Ouster craft in terms of tactics and capability (it even says so in the Dreadnought description.)
The Ousters have only been in Known Space for about 6 months. The first time anyone even SAW a cataphract was only a little more than half a year ago, and they've been seen in combat only in the last 5 months. Frankly, there's no way your scientists could have observed, designed, and constructed 14 supercapital ships based on the Destiny of Man design in only 6 months.
OK I will rewrite it, however I have been hitting the rules since I started here and I don't want to edit my OOB another 18 times. Can somebody give me a list of production speeds-ship design rules and so on.
Well the ousters were able to build a 4th war cluster, which includes 2 super capital ships. That is an amazing rate, and can only be maintained because of their ever expanding empire and zealous mining habits.
RIght, the numbers were OK. 24 supercaps will leave you with a larger fleet of considerably weaker main combatants, but you;ll still be competitive thanks to numbers.
Basic production speed, for a power which has done some expanding and is on a war footing, is around a 20% increase in fleet size every 5-6 months. Bigger powers, such as the Oustes or the Monacorans, can produce closer to 30% fleet size increases in the same amount of time; of course, wartime measures can increase building speed at the expense of money for the public.
ship design, well, anything goes- but there are few capital ships larger than 3 miles in length. A basic rule-of-thumb is that supercaps are 5-3 kilometers in length, cruisers are 1-2 kilometers in length, and escorts are <1000 meters in length.
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By the by, I got inspired. Here's a slightly updated map. Still big, though I shaved off most of the unimportant bits.
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