Duke Nukem (will be dragged on) Forever

Wretchosoft · Post by **Wretchosoft** » 2007-02-09 01:42pm

Darth Wong wrote:If there's one thing I'm really tired of, it's the relentless "grittiness" that game designers are constantly trying to sell in their FPS games. Ooooh, my game is even more depressing than yours!!!! With an even more cynical, grim view of the future!!!

They all end up looking the same.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-02-09 03:21pm

Wretchosoft wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:If there's one thing I'm really tired of, it's the relentless "grittiness" that game designers are constantly trying to sell in their FPS games. Ooooh, my game is even more depressing than yours!!!! With an even more cynical, grim view of the future!!!
They all end up looking the same.

Oh wow, what a newsflash!!

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 2007-02-09 07:27pm

what i wonder about dkf is will it be as fun/playable as dk3d.

didn't 3drealms also do redneck rampage?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2007-02-09 10:11pm

Jade Falcon wrote:Really, what is DNF going to offer the FPS market when (if) it is released?

DNF is at its heart a basic shooter. If they try to make it too complex, it's essentially not a Duke game any more. However, there is no denying that the FPS genre has moved on, whether its theme (WWII games were popular for a while), or in terms of atmosphere, Fear for example. DNF, however wonderful it is graphically is still essentially going to be an outdated game.

Either that, or I'm a cynical SOB.

I expect it to change the way I live my life. Or at the very least, make for good multiplayer action that isn't swamped with CS:S kiddies.

A free blowjob seems unworthy of the decade wait now.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-02-10 12:36am

In other vapourware news, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. just achieved beta status and began shipping out builds to reviewers.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2007-02-10 02:17am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:In other vapourware news, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. just achieved beta status and began shipping out builds to reviewers.

Yes, but unlike Duke, STALKER had alot of press coverage and it was pretty well known it wasn't vapourware.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2007-02-10 03:29am

Ace Pace wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:In other vapourware news, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. just achieved beta status and began shipping out builds to reviewers.
Yes, but unlike Duke, STALKER had alot of press coverage and it was pretty well known it wasn't vapourware.

Some people I know expressed doubts about it after a couple setbacks. But luckily they were too pessimistic.

It's got a confirmed release date now, March 30. I'm pondering ordering from a UK website, since they have an awesome special edition that apparently isn't getting a US release. See?

Netko · Post by **Netko** » 2007-02-10 05:33am

For both Uranium and DW - have you tried Serious Sam and its sequel?

Personally, I feel the original is still superior, however both are good examples of fun, run-and-gun gameplay without complex gritty pretentious stuff. Just you, some staple FPS gun or a comic gun, and loads (loads=>20) of silly enemies for you to mow down before they kill you by taking 2% of hp each. Its a throwback to earlier times - but it works. I especially recommend SS teamplay mode for LAN parties (or you can even go splitscreen!).

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-02-10 05:39am

mmar wrote:For both Uranium and DW - have you tried Serious Sam and its sequel?

Personally, I feel the original is still superior, however both are good examples of fun, run-and-gun gameplay without complex gritty pretentious stuff. Just you, some staple FPS gun or a comic gun, and loads (loads=>20) of silly enemies for you to mow down before they kill you by taking 2% of hp each. Its a throwback to earlier times - but it works. I especially recommend SS teamplay mode for LAN parties (or you can even go splitscreen!).

I couldn't agree more. Serious Sam is pretty much the only PC shooter I played after Duke 3D: it may be dumb and loud, but at least it's fun and it doesn't take itself seriously at all. Come on - the "plot" is basically "dude runs through historical periods blowing up colourful shit"

Jade Falcon · Post by **Jade Falcon** » 2007-02-10 10:41am

Lisa wrote:what i wonder about dkf is will it be as fun/playable as dk3d.

didn't 3drealms also do redneck rampage?

Interplay released Redneck Rampage, but I don't know if they programmed it, saying that, at the time, RR was fun.

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2007-02-11 12:42am

Does anyone remember....

Shadow Warrior!!

http://www.3drealms.com/sw/

NO ONE MESS WITH LO-WANG!

Jade Falcon · Post by **Jade Falcon** » 2007-02-11 11:13am

Aye, I remember Shadow Warrior, and the furore over having Shurikens in it, that were finally changed to darts.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-02-11 11:33am

If this game is still in development hell for nearly a decade since the late 1990s, why didn't they just pull the plug? And I thought Rareware were slow.

Jade Falcon · Post by **Jade Falcon** » 2007-02-11 11:46am

Big Orange wrote:If this game is still in development hell for nearly a decade since the late 1990s, why didn't they just pull the plug? And I thought Rareware were slow.

Christ, don't mention that to a certain fanboy on SB....you know who I'm talking about.

The longest I've ever waited for a game myself is Freelancer and that was five years, and that was stretching it a bit. I really don't see how they can make a profit on this now, even if they are a small team.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-02-11 11:50am

And I thought Rareware were slow.

The real Rareware could still get a game from concept to gold in three years or under, usually. The only real exception was Conker, but that one went through a full redesign.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2007-02-11 01:26pm

mmar wrote:For both Uranium and DW - have you tried Serious Sam and its sequel?

Personally, I feel the original is still superior, however both are good examples of fun, run-and-gun gameplay without complex gritty pretentious stuff. Just you, some staple FPS gun or a comic gun, and loads (loads=>20) of silly enemies for you to mow down before they kill you by taking 2% of hp each. Its a throwback to earlier times - but it works. I especially recommend SS teamplay mode for LAN parties (or you can even go splitscreen!).

I own the first SS game but I never finished it. I got fed up with the enemies constantly teleporting in behind me.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-02-11 05:18pm

Bounty wrote:
And I thought Rareware were slow.
The real Rareware could still get a game from concept to gold in three years or under, usually. The only real exception was Conker, but that one went through a full redesign.

I realise Rareware were not uberslow like 3D Realms are with Duke Nukem For(n)ever (like nearly TEN YEARS instead of only two to three years). But Rareware seemed to have been unstuck ever since they've been bought out by Microsoft quite some time ago and I heard they were losing talent after GoldenEye's release and during Perfect Dark's development (but their X-Box 360 games seem to have been relatively well received by critics and gamers).

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2007-02-11 07:49pm

Big Orange wrote:But Rareware seemed to have been unstuck ever since they've been bought out by Microsoft quite some time ago and I heard they were losing talent after GoldenEye's release and during Perfect Dark's development (but their X-Box 360 games seem to have been relatively well received by critics and gamers).

Rare had come unstuck long before that. Basically after Conker's Bad Fur Day it took them until the Xbox 360 to make another decent game.

Why do you think Nintendo were willing to let them go? Because they'd fucked about so long with Dinosaur Planet and then when it eventually did come out, hiding behind the Starfox license, it was tedious. (and dragged Starfox into the gutter, from where it's taken that series until Starfox Command to crawl back out)

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2007-02-12 04:20am

mmar wrote:For both Uranium and DW - have you tried Serious Sam and its sequel?

Tried it. Meh. Didn't 'feel' great. I'd ideally like something tight and sharp, like the HL2 engine/sound effects, albeit with different guns (not a fan of the HL2 SMG). Also with faster running... I like zipping about in Doom.

Oni Koneko Damien · Post by **Oni Koneko Damien** » 2007-02-12 05:20pm

Uraniun235 wrote:Lawyers will enter the 3D Realms "office" only to find a broken disco ball, a bunch of empty pop cans, a few centerfolds from the defunct "PCXL" magazine, and a small file cabinet full of thousands of receipts for strippers and pizza delivery.

Oh man, I miss that magazine so much. Only ran for a few years, but it was loads of fun to read. Really, the only PC magazine that could hold my interest, as it was completely tongue-in-cheek, yet still gave good info.

'Course, ever since its brief reign, pretty much every other mag took a lot of cues from it, but nothing has matched it for sheer awesomeness so far.