Any one interested in an Honorverse STGOD?

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-05 04:14am

Stormbringer wrote: Pre-war Haven

SD - 412
DN - 48
BB - 374
BC - 81
CA - 210
CL - 354
DD -627

I think it's prudent to increase those numbers by a fair margin (and for Manticore, too). Given that this was only pre-War, and pre-Bolthole...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-05 02:31pm

Dahak wrote:
Stormbringer wrote: Pre-war Haven

SD - 412
DN - 48
BB - 374
BC - 81
CA - 210
CL - 354
DD -627
I think it's prudent to increase those numbers by a fair margin (and for Manticore, too). Given that this was only pre-War, and pre-Bolthole...

Those are the numbers from SVW so I don't see any reason not use them as a rough guideline.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-05 06:26pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Dahak wrote:
Stormbringer wrote: Pre-war Haven

SD - 412
DN - 48
BB - 374
BC - 81
CA - 210
CL - 354
DD -627
I think it's prudent to increase those numbers by a fair margin (and for Manticore, too). Given that this was only pre-War, and pre-Bolthole...
Those are the numbers from SVW so I don't see any reason not use them as a rough guideline.

Sure.
But how much does the real situation at WoH deviate from pre-war numbers?
Manticore, for instance, has almost all its pre-Pods in mothballs, and Haven has its Bolthole.
It's just that I'm not sure at what numbers to put the WoH-fleets...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-05 08:28pm

Dahak wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Dahak wrote: I think it's prudent to increase those numbers by a fair margin (and for Manticore, too). Given that this was only pre-War, and pre-Bolthole...
I wouldn't worry about it quite so much but I suppose Haven would have a lot less SDs and BBs. But what they have for Ships of the Wall would be primarily newer ships, both new SDs and SD (P)s.

Just pick out something reasonable.

Those are the numbers from SVW so I don't see any reason not use them as a rough guideline.
Sure.
But how much does the real situation at WoH deviate from pre-war numbers?
Manticore, for instance, has almost all its pre-Pods in mothballs, and Haven has its Bolthole.
It's just that I'm not sure at what numbers to put the WoH-fleets...

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-06 08:06pm

*bump*

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-08-06 08:33pm

Stormbringer,. my fleet numbers for the Greater Republic of Mazapan are on page two of this thread, at the bottom. They look right to you?

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-06 09:20pm

Hmmm, fleet strength(will edit as thoughts coalesce):
1. Mothball Fleet:
47 Bellerophon class DNs
38 Manticore Class SDs
57 Sphinx class SDs
23 captured Peep SDs various classes

2. Active Fleet tbd:

3. All the shit that those useless fucks who think they are running my government are preventing from being completed- I mean Near Construction Fleet:
Not certain yet, but from description, a bare minimum of 100+ of the wall

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-06 10:46pm

Thirdfain wrote:Stormbringer,. my fleet numbers for the Greater Republic of Mazapan are on page two of this thread, at the bottom. They look right to you?

Yeah. I would have said something if they weren't. In general no word is good news.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-06 10:49pm

consequences wrote:Hmmm, fleet strength(will edit as thoughts coalesce):
1. Mothball Fleet:
47 Bellerophon class DNs
38 Manticore Class SDs
57 Sphinx class SDs
23 captured Peep SDs various classes

2. Active Fleet tbd:

3. All the shit that those useless fucks who think they are running my government are preventing from being completed- I mean Near Construction Fleet:
Not certain yet, but from description, a bare minimum of 100+ of the wall

Consequences, the Manticore class is of DNs not SDs as I recall. They were the newer of the two classes of DN (Bellerphon and Manticore). The SD classes were Sphinx and Gryphon.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-07 06:26am

Well, then I'm juggling a bit with the numbers...

Haven, current standing:
SD(pre-Pod) - 350
SD(P) - 60 (or does anyone still have WoH Bolthole numbers handy)
CLAC - 40 (?)
DN - 50
BB - 300
BC - 100
CA - 230
CL - 354
DD -627

That would be about it, or should the numbers be corrected up- or downward?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-07 02:16pm

Dahak wrote:Well, then I'm juggling a bit with the numbers...

Haven, current standing:
SD(pre-Pod) - 350
SD(P) - 60 (or does anyone still have WoH Bolthole numbers handy)
CLAC - 40 (?)
DN - 50
BB - 300
BC - 100
CA - 230
CL - 354
DD -627

That would be about it, or should the numbers be corrected up- or downward?

If I recall right Haven had closer to a hundred SD (P)s and had, at best, half their pre-war SD strength and lost something like half to two thirds of their battleships. Though of course both would be priority rebuilds for the acknowedged shipyards.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-08-07 02:21pm

OK, then readjusted:

SD(pre-Pod) - 200
SD(P) - 100 (or does anyone still have WoH Bolthole numbers handy)
CLAC - 40
DN - 50
BB - 110
BC - 100
CA - 230
CL - 354
DD -627

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-08-07 07:25pm

I'll check the Bolthole numbers, but I'm not entirely sure they lay out a concrete number (it's something like a fleet has X, and that's 2/3 of the total, which gives a close estimate but isn't concrete IMO).

Also, don't forget that while Manticore's CLACs are DNs, Haven's are SDs. Gives 'em a bit more protection.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-07 07:50pm

The Dark wrote:I'll check the Bolthole numbers, but I'm not entirely sure they lay out a concrete number (it's something like a fleet has X, and that's 2/3 of the total, which gives a close estimate but isn't concrete IMO).

Also, don't forget that while Manticore's CLACs are DNs, Haven's are SDs. Gives 'em a bit more protection.

Actually, according to tonnage, Haven's CLACs fall somewhere in between. It's possible CLACs are less dense, but more likely they're some thing of compromise between size (aka carrying capacity) and construction speed.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-07 07:51pm

Dahak wrote:OK, then readjusted:

SD(pre-Pod) - 200
SD(P) - 100 (or does anyone still have WoH Bolthole numbers handy)
CLAC - 40
DN - 50
BB - 110
BC - 100
CA - 230
CL - 354
DD -627

Looks good to me unless some finds harder numbers.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-08-07 10:30pm

My OOB is about ready. Are you ready to start an OOB thread, Storm?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-07 10:59pm

Edit: On second thought, I'll start one now.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-08-07 11:08pm

Are there any open powers left???

(If this STGOD requires exstensive knowledge of the Honorverse, and no one can provide a link to a summary of it, then i won't play)

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-07 11:34pm

Darksider wrote:Are there any open powers left???

(If this STGOD requires exstensive knowledge of the Honorverse, and no one can provide a link to a summary of it, then i won't play)

Yes.

It probably will. And the details will probably end up mattering so any summary might not be enough. Especially since it's using the universe whole cloth not just borrowing the tech.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-08 08:21pm

I could have sworn the Manticore was specifically mentioned as a SD. Aside from my patchy memory, that also fits with the SD naming conventions that the Manties use, at least until the Invictus class.

Still assembling info on fleet strength, trying not to just pull figures out of my ass(though that always works for plan B).

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-08 08:29pm

consequences wrote:I could have sworn the Manticore was specifically mentioned as a SD. Aside from my patchy memory, that also fits with the SD naming conventions that the Manties use, at least until the Invictus class.

Still assembling info on fleet strength, trying not to just pull figures out of my ass(though that always works for plan B).

It's a DN as far as I know. And yes, it does fit with the naming scheme for ships of the wall.

There's the numbers from SVW to use as a guideline.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-08 08:38pm

Its a SD according to OBS, the lightest of the type, which is why I'd figured they'd all be in mothballs under the Janacek regime, with the same principle applying to the DNs, and at least some of the Sphinx class units. I figured the Gryphons would be the least likely to get mothballed, being the most modern of the pre-pod designs.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-08 08:43pm

consequences wrote:Its a SD according to OBS, the lightest of the type, which is why I'd figured they'd all be in mothballs under the Janacek regime, with the same principle applying to the DNs, and at least some of the Sphinx class units. I figured the Gryphons would be the least likely to get mothballed, being the most modern of the pre-pod designs.

Okay, guess I'm wrong.

And it's up to you exactly what you want to do but that makes sense to me.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-08 09:05pm

Its up to me? *zombie mode* 'Must kill Janacek, Must kill Janacek' *end zombie mode* -Uh, I mean, after careful consideration of the Star Kngdom's needs, and consulting with my Ministers, it has been determined that they feel their coalition government can no longer provide what is best for Manicore in these trying times, for while being experts in peacetime governing, the disturbing events we have been experiencing call for an administration more experienced with Crisis situations(the fact that a whole shit-pot of Conservative Lords seem to have commited 'suicide' after an untraceable document detailing their supposed involvement in Mesa found its way into the media's hands had no bearing on that decision, honest.) Supposed fiduciary misconduct on the part of the High Ridge government has been thoroughly investigated, and while no fault was found, He and his cabinet feel they can no longer in good conscience determine policy for Manticore while that doubt in the public's mind, however misplaced, exists.

In unrelated news, a new special appropriation for the RMN has been briskly pushed through parliament, and the new delegation sent to Haven reports they are confident that an equitable means of allowing the systems we currently occupy to determine their own paths should be put into effect within the year(so please don't hurt me Dahak).

Well, did you buy that?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-08-08 09:10pm

If that's what you want to do when things start, sure.

can you post you OOB soon? Trying to get this started before it dies of boredom.