Any one interested in an Honorverse STGOD?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-26 11:59pm

At this point:

What time period do you guys want to do?

Me, I figure post AoV works fine for me. And I say right after the Torch incident in particular. It's too good to pass up.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-09-27 04:00am

I'm for a mid-WoH, before Thunderbolt. At least the technological playfield is mor leveled between major players...

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-09-27 09:08am

Whaaat, I have to add <humor></humor> tags now?

As for the timeline, sounds good for me.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-27 11:42am

I'm thinking post-torch since it has the most possiblilty. Erewhon is in the balance, Haven and Manticore are glaring but not yet shooting, same for the Manties and the Andies, Torch it self will be shaking up the Mesan situation (and causing trouble for the Sollies), and of course there's the fact that the Sollies are generally starting to clue in.

Any one object? Anyone planning on playing still?

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-09-27 11:59am

Stormbringer wrote:I'm thinking post-torch since it has the most possiblilty. Erewhon is in the balance, Haven and Manticore are glaring but not yet shooting, same for the Manties and the Andies, Torch it self will be shaking up the Mesan situation (and causing trouble for the Sollies), and of course there's the fact that the Sollies are generally starting to clue in.

Any one object? Anyone planning on playing still?

I once knew it, but around where in WoH the whole Torch episode happened? Somewhere around the middle of it?

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-09-27 12:08pm

That's actually nice and easy to pin down, as DURING the Torch incident, Anton Zilwicki is off getting the data that allowed Cathy Montaigne to sandblast the Lady North Hollow, so probably a month or three before that.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-27 02:13pm

Dahak wrote:I once knew it, but around where in WoH the whole Torch episode happened? Somewhere around the middle of it?

Actually, Torch was from Crown of Slaves. About midway in the years between AoV and WoH. Call it three from Operation Buttercup and two years away from Operation Thunderbolt.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-09-27 02:16pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Dahak wrote:I once knew it, but around where in WoH the whole Torch episode happened? Somewhere around the middle of it?
Actually, Torch was from Crown of Slaves. About midway in the years between AoV and WoH. Call it three from Operation Buttercup and two years away from Operation Thunderbolt.

Torch was somewhere in the middle of WoH, quite after the end of AoV and the beginning of WoH. At the beginning of WoH, Montaigne was still noble, and in the last third, the whole part with poor Lady North Hollow...

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-09-27 06:09pm

I'll go with Erewhon then, just to see how much I can get the two bigs to try to kiss up to me.

P.S. Thanks for the consideration.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-27 07:25pm

consequences wrote:I'll go with Erewhon then, just to see how much I can get the two bigs to try to kiss up to me.

P.S. Thanks for the consideration.

No problem, since we've got the major players in place I say let's kick this bitch.

Feel free to write up OOBs. Right now it looks like immediately post Torch incident.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-09-27 07:38pm

One question, what and where the *bleep* is 'Sagebo'? Apparently I've got a wormhole that goes there, and I have no idea who the terminus belongs to.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-27 07:41pm

consequences wrote:One question, what and where the *bleep* is 'Sagebo'? Apparently I've got a wormhole that goes there, and I have no idea who the terminus belongs to.

Border system between the League and the general area of Talbott Cluster. Basically into a second rate system in the empty space bellow Manticore and the Andies.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-09-27 07:49pm

Stormbringer wrote:
consequences wrote:One question, what and where the *bleep* is 'Sagebo'? Apparently I've got a wormhole that goes there, and I have no idea who the terminus belongs to.
Border system between the League and the general area of Talbott Cluster. Basically into a second rate system in the empty space bellow Manticore and the Andies.

AKA "Mine", thanks.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-27 07:52pm

Vote for the Time Period Here

And I would appreciate a post at least.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-27 07:53pm

consequences wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
consequences wrote:One question, what and where the *bleep* is 'Sagebo'? Apparently I've got a wormhole that goes there, and I have no idea who the terminus belongs to.
Border system between the League and the general area of Talbott Cluster. Basically into a second rate system in the empty space bellow Manticore and the Andies.
AKA "Mine", thanks.

Umm, okay. If you want Erewhon to make with the conquering. But I would at least like to see it worked and justified.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-09-27 07:59pm

Stormbringer wrote: AKA "Mine", thanks.

Umm, okay. If you want Erewhon to make with the conquering. But I would at least like to see it worked and justified.[/quote]
One Mesan connection, coming right up.

But seriously, If Manticore can somehow manage to hold onto the B-component of their Andermani junction, I'm pretty sure I can swing some serious basing rights at least in Sagebo.("Why certainly, we'd be delighted to give you favored passage rights and economic assistance in improving your quality of life.")

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-27 08:08pm

consequences wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Umm, okay. If you want Erewhon to make with the conquering. But I would at least like to see it worked and justified.
One Mesan connection, coming right up.

But seriously, If Manticore can somehow manage to hold onto the B-component of their Andermani junction, I'm pretty sure I can swing some serious basing rights at least in Sagebo.("Why certainly, we'd be delighted to give you favored passage rights and economic assistance in improving your quality of life.")

That they did, some what as Gregor B is still officially Andermani after all. But for one thing the Manties swing a bit bigger stick. Though it should be an interesting exchanged.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-09-28 12:13am

Hmm...either I missed something, or it's unstated...anyone know how many frigates the Anti-Slavery League had and transferred to Torch's navy. The book mentioned 'frigates,' plural, but if there was any more specific reference, I missed it.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-28 12:15am

White Haven wrote:Hmm...either I missed something, or it's unstated...anyone know how many frigates the Anti-Slavery League had and transferred to Torch's navy. The book mentioned 'frigates,' plural, but if there was any more specific reference, I missed it.

About six or seven built with the implication that they had orders for at least that many again plus some heavier ships like DDs. Not Manty of course, more likely one of the out world powers or maybe Solarian. I'm kind of thinking Silesian or one of the other unnamed nations.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-09-28 12:34am

You sure about that? They /were/ built at Hauptmann Cartel yards, with the full approval and support of both Klaus and Stacy Hauptmann, with zero profit margins to boot. That kind of support for the program indicates, to me at least, that the hardware is likely fairly high-grade, certainly better than Silesian gear. I'll operate with half a dozen FFGs as a decent number, just trying to get a feel for capabilities.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-28 12:44am

White Haven wrote:You sure about that? They /were/ built at Hauptmann Cartel yards, with the full approval and support of both Klaus and Stacy Hauptmann, with zero profit margins to boot.

The frigates were as those seems to be a legal build. The destroyers and heavier warships definitely were not built in Manticore since it's hinted very, very strongly that they are less than legally acquired.

White Haven wrote:That kind of support for the program indicates, to me at least, that the hardware is likely fairly high-grade, certainly better than Silesian gear. I'll operate with half a dozen FFGs as a decent number, just trying to get a feel for capabilities.

Actually, Silesia isn't always total junk and as I said, the other unmentioned nations might be a possibility as well.

A half dozen FFs (the proper designation for a frigate, FFG is a guided missle frigate) are more than fair. And actually I think you'd have another bunch ready soon enough.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-28 01:00am

Andermani Order of Battle

Friedrich der Grosse SD (P) - 45 [B- 25, PT- 250]

The newest ship in the IAN fleet. It's some where between an Invictus and a Harrington. It has roughly half the internal missle tubes; the remaining space has been mostly turned over to point defense.

Seydiltz SD - 85 [B- 6, PT- 91]

A lighter SD than normal and very much missles heavy. They've been kept upgraded with the latest compensators to enable them to maintain their accel advantage.

Bismarck SD - 76 [B-0]

An unconventional superdreadnought for most navies. She's a four decker giving her more missles tubes and energy mounts but at a cost of accel. A solid and reliable design she's designed for a heavy battle line slugging match. Lately they've been given an increasing amount of point defense.

Graf Zepplin CV - 21 [B- 17, PT- Uncertain]*

The IAN's new LAC carrier. The IAN has not embraced the CLAC concept as thoroughly as have the RMN and SKM. As a result they employ a more conservative LAC design using fusion power. So while the Graf Zepplin-class is based on a large SD hull her actualy combat power is only moderately increased over that of the RMN's Minotaur or the GSN's Covington.

Unnamed CV [?]

A possible design for BB sized carrier. It's designed to accompony battlecruiser centered forces deployed on raiding missions.

Siegfried DN - 31 [B-0]

A slightly missle heavy design but all in all a typical dreadnought.

Leipzig BC (P) - 189 [B-40, PT- 310]

The first ever pod-battlecruiser. She retains an internal missle armament but slightly reduced in number in favor of point defense. She was actually the first class of pod ship laid down and has replaced the few battlecruisers the IAN possesed pre-war.

Königsberg CA - 164 [B-47, PT- 370]

The premier Andy heavy cruiser. She's the IAN's response to the Saganami and Alvarez class. Her design trades heavier guns for sheer numbers of batteries. She also has the tubes to mount the Andy Cruiser MDMs.

Zieten CA - 167 [B-12, PT- 190]

An aging but formidable design. Fast and heavily armed, they are the backbone of the IAN presence in Silesia.

Falke CL - 93 [B-29, PT- 240]

The newer of the IAN's cruiser designs. She's a relatively large ship for her rate and has a distinct missle bias. She's optimized for missle engagements and supporting the wall in said missle combat.

Freya CL - 114 [B-0]

An heavy weight design that is generally used in support of the battlecruiser forces of the IAN and as escort units. Fast, heavily armed but slightly weak in point defense.

Blitz CL - 120 [B-0]

A well balanced but aging design. She's the most common IAN cruiser thanks to the remarkable ease with which she is upgraded and the superior balance. An excellent patrol ship.

Spähkreuzer DD - 268 [B-35, PT- open ended]

The workhorse of the IAN destroyers. She's an able ship for what ever might come her way.

Kondor DD - 72 [B-26, PT- open ended]

A fast patrol destroyer. She's heavily armed and has deep magazines mostly at an expense to crew comfort.

Emden DD - 209 [B-15, PT- open ended]

The newest destroyer. She's got more than the average point defense. Meant primarily for escort duties.

* The IAN believes that for now the CLAC and LAC are not a viable replacement for a proper podlaying wall of battle. So far the missle deck school has retained the upperhand in this.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-09-28 03:56am

Republic of Haven OOB

DuQuesne SD 80

Old design, but still worth her tonage, she once was the backbone of the fleet.

Curie (SD) 60 [B-30]

A newer design, created in the war time, with advanced EW and ECM suites, and slightly more missiles than the DuQuesne and a half million tons again as heavy as the DuQuesne.

Dauphin (SD) 60 [B-20]

Slightly bigger than the DuQuesne, it leans more towards heavy energy engagements.

Sovereign of Space SD(P) - 150 [B 70, PT 250]

The first ever built SD(P) by Haven, and the backbone of the new opd-lying fleet.

Temeraire SD(P) 60 [B 130, B 250, PT 350]

The successor of the Sovereign, it's the most powerful ship ever built by Haven.

Aviary CLAC - 50 [B 50, B2 10, PT 120]

The carriers of Haven's navy. Bigger than its Grayson or Mantie counterparts.

New Boston DN - 20 [B-0]

A light Dreadnought with only 6 million tons.

Rousseau DN 30 [B-0]

Heavier than the New Boston class, its designed as flagship in smaller fleets.

Triumphant BB - 110 [B-0]

The last remaining ships of the outdated class, but still useful for small system pickets.

Warlord BC - 40 [B-0]

The new main line BC of the Haven fleet. Bigger and a heavier throw weight than the Sultan.

Sultan BC 60 [B-0]

The old BC design, superseded by the Warlord.

Mars CA - 140 [B 20, B2 30 PT 200]

The newest CA for the Haven fleet, it was the first to incorporate Solarian Leage technology in impeller, EW, and compensator technology, making it a very deadly and powerful opponent.

Scimitar - 100 [B-0]

Older design, still widely in use. As all old designs, it received limited refit by SL tech, but only limited, unlike fresh designs, also a good half as heavy as the Mars class.

Brilliance CL - 170 [B 4, B2 40, PT 250]
Smaller than the Conqueror, but better suited for escort duties. Favours energy weapons.

Conqueror CL 155 [B 15, PT 200]

The heaviest CL, with the most punch.

Frigate CL 50 [B 20, PT 250]

As heavy as the Brilliance, but with a larger missile broadside than it.

Bastogne DD-330 [ongoing]

A light destroyer

City DD 310 [ongoing]

Heavier than the Bastogne, carrying more broadside.

LAC [ongoing]

ANd of course there's the "small fry", like mine layers, repair ships, et al.[/b]

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-09-28 05:53pm

Alright, maybe I'm msising something blatantly obvious, but could anyone clarify 'B, B2, PT' and the like? I'll come right out and say this is my first foray into this flavor of roleplay, which is part of why I'm so glad to have a bit player in any case.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-09-28 06:13pm

White Haven wrote:Alright, maybe I'm msising something blatantly obvious, but could anyone clarify 'B, B2, PT' and the like? I'll come right out and say this is my first foray into this flavor of roleplay, which is part of why I'm so glad to have a bit player in any case.

B ## is a building batch. In other words ships laid down at more or less the same time (for vessels of the same class of course). I have a single batch, Dahak is obviously going with more than one.

PT ### means the the projected total of vessels in that class. It's not strickly necessary but I posted it as it gives a bit of an idea about the relatively priorities and such.