Watch, and laugh and laugh and laugh, then taunt mac users

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-10-05 11:43pm

Praxis wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote: Let me rephrase:

I don't KNOW what you said, because I don't CARE...

To me Mac is Mac, and Mac is crap,
Ah, I understand now. You want to think that Mac is crap, no matter what it really is. Typical bias.

Yeah, typical bias because I DON'T LIKE USING THEM.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-10-06 12:05am

StormtrooperOfDeath wrote:Ummm, I've found every Mac OS (including OS X) to be much harder to use than Windows. The lack of right-clicking, and my Ctrl+__ functions pisses me off. That, and I can't find the Options or Preferences menu in anything.

It's always in the same place: that bold menu next to the Apple, under "Preferences."

Any two-button mouse will work with right-click functionality in OS X.

The Command key serves as the equivalent of Control, and those shortcuts are all listed in drop-down menus. Honestly, using the Control key to perform commands never made much sense to me anyway.

Praxis wrote:Actually, you CAN make Finder retain your settings. My Applications folder always comes up in listing view instead of the normal view.

The Finder's view options are a mess, especially with regards to icon spacing across different versions of the Finder. This is coming from someone who's worked with them extensively from a software distribution standpoint. Trust me when I say that they're a complete pain in the ass.

Just look at the idiotic process by which they work. That's why I use Path Finder.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-06 12:35am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Praxis wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote: Let me rephrase:

I don't KNOW what you said, because I don't CARE...

To me Mac is Mac, and Mac is crap,
Ah, I understand now. You want to think that Mac is crap, no matter what it really is. Typical bias.
Yeah, typical bias because I DON'T LIKE USING THEM.

It's one thing to say you don't like using them, and it's another to say "Mac is crap"

"I don't like Macs."
"Oh, yes you do, you're just not familiar with them yet."
"No, I just don't like Macs."
"Macs are more intuitive, once you take the time to learn them. And they're easier, eventually."
"Look, I just don't like Macs, okay?"
"Oh, but look how pretty it is! It's much better than Winblows! It's got a cooler name, and look at how bright and vivid the colors are! It's like an acid trip... in a computer!"
"Hey, buddy, I just don't like Macs. My computer is fine."
"Heh, no it isn't, I don't get any viruses or crashes or hacks and chicks just flock to me, at least they will when they see all my message board posts about how much I love my Mac."
"Dude! Just leave me alone! I don't like Macs!"
"Yeah, I get it. Typical bias. You ****."

LOL, I couldn't help laugh at this

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-10-06 07:48am

I am THIS close to buying a Mac when and if this computer dies.

One week of running around like a headless chicken, wondering what the flying fuck is wrong NOW, definitly colors you view. Let alone the damn testiness of getting a dual boot and what not.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2004-10-06 08:07am

Darth Wong wrote:Yeah, let's face it: it was smart of the KDE/Linux team to make their desktop act pretty much like Windows. That way, people don't get too confused by the migration. The underlying system is a lot different, and that can eventually create problems, but at least there's a certain comfort level with the GUI that allows neophytes to use the thing, even if they have trouble with system administration tasks. My wife has no problem using both Windows and Linux, because I take care of all the configuration on both, and she just sits down and starts clicking.

I remember when I was mucking about with BeOS, I always told the other people on this BeOS place that while BeOS is nice it needs to emulate windows a bit more with regards to GUI, they pretty much told me to not use BeOS then, and now BeOS is dead, not because of that but the principle is still true.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2004-10-06 08:08am

Darth Wong wrote:Linux uses a Windows-style tasbox in the big KDE bar at the bottom, but if you have several of one app (such as kwrite) open and you're in danger of filling up the taskbox, it automatically groups them to save space.

So does windows XP and 2k3 and possibly others of it.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2004-10-06 08:12am

Durandal wrote:Because you don't know how to use them, and don't care to learn.

There's not exactly any compelling reason to shell out the extra money on a mac instead of a new PC, especially not if you got lots of PC software and games from before.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-10-06 09:20am

His Divine Shadow wrote:There's not exactly any compelling reason to shell out the extra money on a mac instead of a new PC, especially not if you got lots of PC software and games from before.

Well, if he had to use FCP on a Mac because that's what his lab had, it would be good to try and tackle the learning curve.

His Divine Shadow wrote:I remember when I was mucking about with BeOS, I always told the other people on this BeOS place that while BeOS is nice it needs to emulate windows a bit more with regards to GUI, they pretty much told me to not use BeOS then, and now BeOS is dead, not because of that but the principle is still true.

I remember BeOS' GUI. Clean and fast, but probably too different for most people, alas.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-10-06 12:14pm

i have a job as a scanner at a photographer. i have to scan photos, load them into photoshop and remove dust stains change color tones and crap like that.

i have to work on a mac.

photoshop on a mac is damn annoying because photoshop on macs doesn´t have a background. so when i click on one of the little arrows to scroll the image and accidentlially miss, photoshop will go away and the program beneath photoshop will come up (the scan programm usually).
i then have to go to the task bar, click photoshop again to make the picture i´m working on reappear.

it´s annoying as hell.

is there a way to make photoshop have a background?

and something else.
is there a way to make the mouse faster? i know about the sensitivity settings and i´ve set it to maximum, but it´s still fucking slow compared to the PC i use at home.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-10-06 12:21pm

Go into the Control Panel (should be in the Apple menu) and there is an option somewhere in there to change your mouse speed.

You cannot get the background window on Photoshop/Mac. The reason it is there on Photoshop for Windows is due to the way they ported it from the Mac -- it was simply easier for Adobe to "emulate" the single-menu interface that way rather than completely rework the user interface.

You shouldn't have to go all the way back to the dock to switch back to Photoshop, though, normally it'll just push the scan application to the foreground and PS into the background.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-10-06 12:37pm

phongn wrote:Go into the Control Panel (should be in the Apple menu) and there is an option somewhere in there to change your mouse speed.

yeah, as i said, i found that and set it to max and it´s still slow.

You cannot get the background window on Photoshop/Mac. The reason it is there on Photoshop for Windows is due to the way they ported it from the Mac -- it was simply easier for Adobe to "emulate" the single-menu interface that way rather than completely rework the user interface.

You shouldn't have to go all the way back to the dock to switch back to Photoshop, though, normally it'll just push the scan application to the foreground and PS into the background.

yep, and since the scan program HAS a background i have to either minimize the scan proggy or hit the photoshop button in the dock.
i´ll tell the boss to get a mouse with two mouse wheels and set them to max scroll per rotation making scrolling via arrows obsolete.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-10-06 02:27pm

... the scan program has a background? That's poor behavior on a Mac program.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-06 04:47pm

Ghost Rider wrote:One week of running around like a headless chicken, wondering what the flying fuck is wrong NOW, definitly colors you view. Let alone the damn testiness of getting a dual boot and what not.

LOL, I know EXACTLY how you feel. I'm constantly fixing my family's computers, my own PC, etc, etc...

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-06 04:52pm

salm wrote:i have a job as a scanner at a photographer. i have to scan photos, load them into photoshop and remove dust stains change color tones and crap like that.

i have to work on a mac.

photoshop on a mac is damn annoying because photoshop on macs doesn´t have a background. so when i click on one of the little arrows to scroll the image and accidentlially miss, photoshop will go away and the program beneath photoshop will come up (the scan programm usually).
i then have to go to the task bar, click photoshop again to make the picture i´m working on reappear.

it´s annoying as hell.

is there a way to make photoshop have a background?

Dunno on this, check the preferences. This is interesting, though- I've always liked the Mac version better BECAUSE of the lack of background. It saves a TON of space and makes it possible for me to click and drag icons from the desktop without having to minimize the program. Oh, and if you didn't know- to quickly open any image, click and drag the image's icon from it's folder or the desktop to the Photoshop icon in the dock, and it opens. A lot quicker than File -> Open.

Maybe if you didn't set the mouse so fast, you wouldn't miss...

j/k

and something else.
is there a way to make the mouse faster? i know about the sensitivity settings and i´ve set it to maximum, but it´s still fucking slow compared to the PC i use at home.

I dunno...I set it to max and it works at a very fast speed. Try bringing any USB PC mouse instead o the Mac mouse and plugging it in (you know, two buttons, whoo) and see if its faster. Just an idea.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-06 04:53pm

phongn wrote:... the scan program has a background? That's poor behavior on a Mac program.

No kidding. Never had a mac program with backgrounds like that. Image Capture sure doesn't.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-10-06 09:15pm

Ghost Rider wrote:I am THIS close to buying a Mac when and if this computer dies.

One week of running around like a headless chicken, wondering what the flying fuck is wrong NOW, definitly colors you view. Let alone the damn testiness of getting a dual boot and what not.

Windows can have these mysterious problems with no apparent reason, but Linux doesn't. If there's a problem, you can always track it down to a concrete reason. On Windows, I've seen it boot up and fail for no apparent reason, and then work fine the next time I tried to boot, despite having changed nothing. On Linux, I have never observed a behavioural change that I could not track down to something I did to it.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-10-06 09:23pm

"I like how they have this handle here. That's so you can attach a chain and use it as a BOAT ANCHOR!"

Priceless.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-10-06 09:24pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:I am THIS close to buying a Mac when and if this computer dies.

One week of running around like a headless chicken, wondering what the flying fuck is wrong NOW, definitly colors you view. Let alone the damn testiness of getting a dual boot and what not.
Windows can have these mysterious problems with no apparent reason, but Linux doesn't. If there's a problem, you can always track it down to a concrete reason. On Windows, I've seen it boot up and fail for no apparent reason, and then work fine the next time I tried to boot, despite having changed nothing. On Linux, I have never observed a behavioural change that I could not track down to something I did to it.

The linux part is happy...and sane

The Window XP Pro part...has got me scrambling. I have it now where they like each other...but oi.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-10-06 09:39pm

I've been hearing some very good things about Ubuntu Linux on ArsTechnica's OpenForum.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-06 09:46pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:I am THIS close to buying a Mac when and if this computer dies.

One week of running around like a headless chicken, wondering what the flying fuck is wrong NOW, definitly colors you view. Let alone the damn testiness of getting a dual boot and what not.
Windows can have these mysterious problems with no apparent reason, but Linux doesn't. If there's a problem, you can always track it down to a concrete reason. On Windows, I've seen it boot up and fail for no apparent reason, and then work fine the next time I tried to boot, despite having changed nothing. On Linux, I have never observed a behavioural change that I could not track down to something I did to it.

My personal opinion of Linux:
It's hard to set up in the first place, but once you get it running, it takes a lightning storm to stop it.

I know exactly what you mean. In fact, our school had a special computer system with something they called a 'centurion card' that would reset the HD on every reboot (It really worked- I trashed windows, did everything I could to destroy the system, installed FireFox as well, and everything would be back to exactly how it was before when I restarted).

Very often, you'd restart, it'd be completely fresh...and bam, BSOD. Or bam, registry error, please restart. Or bam, program locks. For absolutely no reason whatsoever.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-10-06 10:38pm

RedImperator wrote:"I like how they have this handle here. That's so you can attach a chain and use it as a BOAT ANCHOR!"

Priceless.

It is, yes. Love it, Straha.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-10-06 11:08pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Durandal wrote:Because you don't know how to use them, and don't care to learn.
There's not exactly any compelling reason to shell out the extra money on a mac instead of a new PC, especially not if you got lots of PC software and games from before.

Yeah, all those scientist types who use Mac OS X for scientific computing don't know what the hell they're doing.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-06 11:19pm

Durandal wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:
Durandal wrote:Because you don't know how to use them, and don't care to learn.
There's not exactly any compelling reason to shell out the extra money on a mac instead of a new PC, especially not if you got lots of PC software and games from before.
Yeah, all those scientist types who use Mac OS X for scientific computing don't know what the hell they're doing.

Oh yes, Virginia Tech and the US Military are completely clueless.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-10-06 11:58pm

Praxis wrote:
Durandal wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote: There's not exactly any compelling reason to shell out the extra money on a mac instead of a new PC, especially not if you got lots of PC software and games from before.
Yeah, all those scientist types who use Mac OS X for scientific computing don't know what the hell they're doing.
Oh yes, Virginia Tech and the US Military are completely clueless.

I'm half tempted to agree with the last part of your statement...

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-10-07 12:14am

Beowulf wrote:
Praxis wrote:Oh yes, Virginia Tech and the US Military are completely clueless.
I'm half tempted to agree with the last part of your statement...

Some people just stumble on to the right choice.