FSTGOD1: A Cool Idea

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-10-03 05:55am

Rogue 9 wrote:Hey Dahak, question: If you've got mountains all the way to your coastline and all the way along it, how in blazes do you have serviceable ports? That should be one craggy coastline.

All it needs is a natural harbour to expand on. Needless to sy I do have a port city. GIven my navy it is not a huge harbour like other nations with more navy might have.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-10-03 10:49am

Pablo, could you sticky the assorted FSTGOD threads?

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-10-03 06:21pm

Bit about dragons added to OOB, along with an increase in the number of dragons fielded, to align myself with the minimum number of dragons per point.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-10-03 09:08pm

Thirdfain wrote:Pablo, could you sticky the assorted FSTGOD threads?

The STGOD info thread makes this redundant. I'll put a post in there.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-10-04 12:01am

Folks, a quick note about air units and dragons. A lot of the point cost of a regiment of dragon riders or whatever goes to their excellent mobility. Fast flying units are pretty atrocious versus fixed defenses, and are poor choices for attacking prepared positions. The average fortress or city will have sinks of magic allowing it's defending wizards to blast dragon cavalry out of the air unless the attacking air units have quite the advantage. Now, the psychological effects of air units like Dragons make them poison to cheap infantry and to units out in the open, but they'll lose effectiveness rapidly when attacking fortifications or troops in rough terrain.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-10-04 12:07am

There is a reason I supplemented them with mages.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-10-04 12:12am

Perhaps you missed me the first time I said it. The mages sitting up on their dragons will not be as effective as the far more numerous mages a ground regiment will field. The mages on the ground will enjoy the ability to concentrate on their spells, something a mage riding a goddamn dragon will not be able to do as well.

I assure you, it has been taken into account. Air units are mobility units, raiders, and useful for vertical envelopement. Against fortifications or armies under much cover, they are in a weak position indeed.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-10-04 12:16am

Thirdfain wrote:

Perhaps you missed me the first time I said it. The mages sitting up on their dragons will not be as effective as the far more numerous mages a ground regiment will field. The mages on the ground will enjoy the ability to concentrate on their spells, something a mage riding a goddamn dragon will not be able to do as well.

I assure you, it has been taken into account. Air units are mobility units, raiders, and useful for vertical envelopement. Against fortifications or armies under much cover, they are in a weak position indeed.

Such is true. However dragons are also probably the heaviest ground cavalry anyone can field....

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-10-04 12:18am

Aslo... not many people have actually payed for significant mage support in their OOBs

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-10-04 12:19am

Such is true. However dragons are also probably the heaviest ground cavalry anyone can field....

Yes. Yes they are.

Aslo... not many people have actually payed for significant mage support in their OOBs

Perhaps you weren't paying attention. Organic mage support is considered universal in all regiments to a greater or lesser degree.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-10-04 12:22am

5% of a regiment, and nothing that will "change the course of battle" I believe the quote from you is.

Or in other words, if someone is not paying for their mages, they are somewhat, shall I say, ineffective. At least in the field. In a city it would be different, what with them all getting together in a circle and calling down the wrath of the heavens...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-10-04 12:24am

And the rules lawyering begins....

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-10-04 12:25am

Aly put a sock in it.

THE MOD HAS SPOKEN.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-10-04 12:26am

Stormbringer wrote:And the rules lawyering begins....

I am just ssaying people have to pay fr them like everything else.
I went through many, many revisions, and much questioning by mods in order to pay for the stuff I have. I just dont want people to be able to say "And my mages uleash the power of the gods upon your dragons and take them down" when said mages were not paid for, and could not have that kind of power.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-10-04 12:29am

And the rules lawyering begins....

And it ends.

Black and white. If one of your 3-point Dragon regiments attacks an enemy 1-point heavy infantry regiment under cover, it'll take losses but win. Any infantry regiment of much over 1.5 points fighting from under cover will defeat your 3-pt dragon regiments, albeit with nasty losses, and a 3-point infantry regiment fighting from cover will smash the dragons handily.

Dragons are best used either as raiders or shock-and-awe troops for vertical envelopement- let's say hitting an already engaged infantry group in the open, "flanking" from above.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-10-04 12:30am

Thirdfain wrote:
And the rules lawyering begins....
And it ends.

Black and white. If one of your 3-point Dragon regiments attacks an enemy 1-point heavy infantry regiment under cover, it'll take losses but win. Any infantry regiment of much over 1.5 points fighting from under cover will defeat your 3-pt dragon regiments, albeit with nasty losses, and a 3-point infantry regiment fighting from cover will smash the dragons handily.

Dragons are best used either as raiders or shock-and-awe troops for vertical envelopement- let's say hitting an already engaged infantry group in the open, "flanking" from above.

Very well.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2004-10-04 01:41am

what about dragons carrying boulders and playing B-17 over Berlin with heavy infantry?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-10-04 01:42am

Typhonis 1 wrote:what about dragons carrying boulders and playing B-17 over Berlin with heavy infantry?

Or better yet, Greek fire.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-10-04 01:47am

Dropping rocks? Not frightening.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-10-04 03:19am

My points are used to begin upgrading my large mercant marine into an actual war fleet.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-10-04 08:22am

How would Dragons used in a surprise attack on unprepared and surprised fortifications, like towers, work?
Bombarding them with fireballs and all in passing...

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-10-04 08:24am

When would the training points come into affect? I.E. if I spend points on units now, when would I get them?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2004-10-04 08:28am

Straha wrote:When would the training points come into affect? I.E. if I spend points on units now, when would I get them?

By the beginning of the next season. If you spend your spring points on something, whatever you bought would be completed at the beginning of summer.

It should also be noted that any units you are buying/improving have to be at home, and while they can be called to the defense, they will not be at their full strength until the end of the season.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-10-04 09:58am

How would Dragons used in a surprise attack on unprepared and surprised fortifications, like towers, work?
Bombarding them with fireballs and all in passing...

Good luck catching any sort of decent fortress by surprise, and most decent fortresses have enchanted walls anyways. Of course, if you can pull it off through clever misdirection, the more power to ye, and it would be taken into account. Surprise is a powerful ally.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-10-04 10:14am

Hotfoot wrote:It should also be noted that any units you are buying/improving have to be at home, and while they can be called to the defense, they will not be at their full strength until the end of the season.

Ah. I was unaware of this, I thought they were used immediately. Can I change my build orders? It's entirely possible that the regiments I earmarked for improvement will no longer exist come summer.

Also, do we have a process for units accruing battle experience to be improved?