The dumbest messages in video games.

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Re: The dumbest messages in video games.

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Vendetta wrote:The intent was supposed to be that Samus has PTSD after watching her home colony be destroyed as a child. Which would possibly have been an interesting idea if they hadn't placed it in the context of her relationship with Adam and the way they displayed that relationship (And hadn't used Ridley as the trigger for it. Samus scrapes bits of Ridley off her armour once a year at least). Samus' monologues don't actually display her own character and opinions, she is continuously elegising what Adam would think or do in a given situation, and how wonderful he is for having to make these hard decisions but standing up to the challenge like a Real Man. It changed from "Samus has been out fighting too long and it has affected her personality deeply" to "Samus is a girl and therefore cannot operate without the approval of a man" (literally, in the case of the upgrades system, because you can't use any of the suit's powers until Adam authorises you to do so.).
I've read the dialog where she's directly put under the command of others and prohibited from using some of her abilities, which really doesn't sound terrible (especially since one of them is directly because she's a danger to others). Is she 'seeking approval' or just doing what she's told like a good little soldier? This is the person who flies a spaceship that looks like her own head, after all.
Angry nerds are wont to blame Team Ninja because they don't actually know anything about Team Ninja games. Hell, despite the fact that you eventually have to save her ass and she largely exists purely to get some tits on screen, Rachael in Ninja Gaiden is portrayed as a more competent character than Samus in Other M, she saves your ass then only gets captured because she can't bring herself to kill her own sister. It's Sakamoto who wrote the story, decided on this portrayal of Samus, and who also believed that this was him showing the "true character" of Samus Aran.
The real question is if the game would have been any better if she'd acted like a bird. :lol:

It's a shame that they're so focused on the idea of Metroid as a continuing story, because at the end is probably the worst place to suddenly start making her a person instead of a yellow gun. It seems like he just doesn't know how to write actual narratives, since the game takes narrative control away from the player as much as it can (like in the 'spot the clue' bits).
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Re: The dumbest messages in video games.

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The big hinging point on the "Terrible message of Metroid: Other M" is the Varia suit.

A piece of equipment that serves only the purpose of protecting Samus from extreme temperature. You don't find/repair this during the course of the game. Instead it is only "permitted" by Adam after a long health-sapping run through the lava level, at the boss of said lava level.

It's placement in continuity is... troublesome as well, perhaps his 3rd reappearance* after apparent defeat did cause Samus to have a PTSD snap... but, it's handled poorly, at best... Especially since it's kinda clear that it is Ridley after his first attack.

Though, honestly, I think this Nerfnow comic summed it up best...




*: The Prime series isn't considered "canon" by Nintendo, atm.
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Is Prime 'noncanon' because this guy didn't write it?

EDIT - That comic reminded me that the other hunters in Hunters were all more interesting play and character-wise than Samus. Shame they never made a game about someone else, really; turns out superpowered hunters are ten a penny. Some of them are even awesome robots!
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Re: The dumbest messages in video games.

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Stark wrote:Is Prime 'noncanon' because this guy didn't write it?
So he says, yeah.

Stark wrote:It seems like he just doesn't know how to write actual narratives, since the game takes narrative control away from the player as much as it can (like in the 'spot the clue' bits).
Yeah, the narrative flow of Other M is also terrible. Subplots like "the deleter" (which may not sound as stupid in Japanese as it does in English, but really should have been changed in translation) are introduced, shuffle around aimlessly, and then wander off again without resolution. Also, real resolution of the big emotional confrontation with Ridley is absent because he gets eaten by something else.
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