Alyrium Denryle wrote:Such documents are easily doctored.
We may hate the Black Alliance, but the simple matter is, they didnt do this.
If only because had they done such a thing, they would have shouted it from the rooftops. They do not know the meaning of "covert"
Another thing... You are admitting incompetance. Any military taskforce that was jumped by a large pirate taskforce, is within their capabilities to retreat into FTL.
Such a comment about FTL travel shows how incompetant you are. You apparently missed the fact that they were in FTL travel before they were jumped. I wonder if you know about the concept of overwhelming force? You see, that group a vessels there has a greater firepower than a quarter of your navy. The group of vessels that was captured made up a less than 1/20 of our fleet. By the time we were able to send a suffienctly large fleet to investigate the site, the Black Alliance ships had left.
And arguments about doctored sensor log go both ways.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:Such documents are easily doctored.
We may hate the Black Alliance, but the simple matter is, they didnt do this.
If only because had they done such a thing, they would have shouted it from the rooftops. They do not know the meaning of "covert"
Another thing... You are admitting incompetance. Any military taskforce that was jumped by a large pirate taskforce, is within their capabilities to retreat into FTL.
Such a comment about FTL travel shows how incompetant you are. You apparently missed the fact that they were in FTL travel before they were jumped. I wonder if you know about the concept of overwhelming force? You see, that group a vessels there has a greater firepower than a quarter of your navy. The group of vessels that was captured made up a less than 1/20 of our fleet. By the time we were able to send a suffienctly large fleet to investigate the site, the Black Alliance ships had left.
And arguments about doctored sensor log go both ways.
And why in the nine hells would the Alliance go to such lengths to cpture your taskforce?
We have no reason to doctor such reports. Our relationship is not good with your people, but our relations with pirates are worse. We have no reason to doctor sensor logs. And we have not seen these "captured ships" in any acts of piracy against our nations.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:"It seems that, looking over the BA sensor logs, the "task force" chased and attempted to destroy the Gangster class cruiser. CHasing id dogedly. It is most definently not in the Black Alliance's standard operating procedure to shoot their own ships. The KSE sensor logs confirm this"
What's this? We can see the evidence that these logs were doctored, now. Those missile tracks look as if they had been lifted straight from where those two ships were destroyed.
EDIT: OOC: the task force didn't shoot until it was well out of sensor range of the KSE.
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"Considering that they are of the same make of missile? That would not be unreasonable. Not only that, but they did not have access to our sensor lgs, because we did nt submit them to their "nation" seeing as we dont recognize them."
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:"Considering that they are of the same make of missile? That would not be unreasonable. Not only that, but they did not have access to our sensor lgs, because we did nt submit them to their "nation" seeing as we dont recognize them."
We have yet to see and Black Alliance sensor logs, we were referring to the KSE sensor logs that have been so obviously doctored.
And even missiles of the same make exhibit small variations in their sensor readings. These match up perfectly.
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Darksider wrote:"The accusation against the Black alliance is wrong. They are pirates. If they had attacked then somthing would have been taken from the area. Analysis indicates that the entirety of the Stuartian cruiser and the AU corvette were still there. Although the black alliance may be scum, they do not indiscriminatly destroy with no profit or political incentive."
What better political incentive than to weaken all the parties involved in the war? It would certainly make it easier for them to pirate.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:"Considering that they are of the same make of missile? That would not be unreasonable. Not only that, but they did not have access to our sensor lgs, because we did nt submit them to their "nation" seeing as we dont recognize them."
We have yet to see and Black Alliance sensor logs, we were referring to the KSE sensor logs that have been so obviously doctored.
And even missiles of the same make exhibit small variations in their sensor readings. These match up perfectly.
The PRC's attitude towards this is tiresome. Bald assertions are tiresome. Perhaps most of all, refusing to observe the evidence offered as a peace offering, is also tiring. You should recignize it: It demonstrates your pathetic attempt to attack a single cruiser with an entire taskforce, only to flee like small children before a real fleet.
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And what hallucinogens did you have to put your analysts on? We had multiple independant contractors look at the data readouts, and they came to the conclusion that the logs were not doctored, and that the trails did in fact, originate from different misiles
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Darksider wrote:"The accusation against the Black alliance is wrong. They are pirates. If they had attacked then somthing would have been taken from the area. Analysis indicates that the entirety of the Stuartian cruiser and the AU corvette were still there. Although the black alliance may be scum, they do not indiscriminatly destroy with no profit or political incentive."
What better political incentive than to weaken all the parties involved in the war? It would certainly make it easier for them to pirate.
Such, again, is not their style.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:And what hallucinogens did you have to put your analysts on? We had multiple independant contractors look at the data readouts, and they came to the conclusion that the logs were not doctored, and that the trails did in fact, originate from different misiles
Really? So soon, you're able to line up contractors for a specialized assignment, and get results back.
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Darksider wrote:"The accusation against the Black alliance is wrong. They are pirates. If they had attacked then somthing would have been taken from the area. Analysis indicates that the entirety of the Stuartian cruiser and the AU corvette were still there. Although the black alliance may be scum, they do not indiscriminatly destroy with no profit or political incentive."
What better political incentive than to weaken all the parties involved in the war? It would certainly make it easier for them to pirate.
Such, again, is not their style.
You underestimate the Black Alliance.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:And what hallucinogens did you have to put your analysts on? We had multiple independant contractors look at the data readouts, and they came to the conclusion that the logs were not doctored, and that the trails did in fact, originate from different misiles
Really? So soon, you're able to line up contractors for a specialized assignment, and get results back.
Do you have any idea how many independant contractors there are? At the customs stations at our homeworld alone there are 17 businesses that specialize in data analysis.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:And what hallucinogens did you have to put your analysts on? We had multiple independant contractors look at the data readouts, and they came to the conclusion that the logs were not doctored, and that the trails did in fact, originate from different misiles
Really? So soon, you're able to line up contractors for a specialized assignment, and get results back.
Do you have any idea how many independant contractors there are? At the customs stations at our homeworld alone there are 17 businesses that specialize in data analysis.
Data analysis, we're not surprised. Sensor log analysis is a much harder job, and much more specialized.
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Beowulf wrote:
Really? So soon, you're able to line up contractors for a specialized assignment, and get results back.
Do you have any idea how many independant contractors there are? At the customs stations at our homeworld alone there are 17 businesses that specialize in data analysis.
Data analysis, we're not surprised. Sensor log analysis is a much harder job, and much more specialized.
And they have sensor analysts in their employ.
In the same station, there are sensor analysts that we also employed. As well as employing the sensor and data analysts throughout our territory.
They were not told of the circumstances of the event, and we have not made a press release on the matter yet.
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This bickering is pointless and absurd for people who call themselves civilized with such hoity-toity expressions on their faces. The PRC is welcome to offer any substantial proof for their fairy tales before hte international community. If they don't have any, they could at least have the decency to shut up for a little while.
The Black Alliance is universally loathed, but we at least don't perform cowardly strikes against others and then clog up the spacewaves with childish attempts to avoid the blame! This cowardice is sickening to watch!
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SirNitram wrote:This bickering is pointless and absurd for people who call themselves civilized with such hoity-toity expressions on their faces. The PRC is welcome to offer any substantial proof for their fairy tales before hte international community. If they don't have any, they could at least have the decency to shut up for a little while.
The Black Alliance is universally loathed, but we at least don't perform cowardly strikes against others and then clog up the spacewaves with childish attempts to avoid the blame! This cowardice is sickening to watch!
No, you merely pirate ships, and use those to cowardly attack another, and wait for the blame to fall.
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FROM: Agent B/537
TO: Agent L/110
SUBJ: Progress Report
-::-
Having infiltrated elements of th Daidoji Free Mercenary Fleet, I have managed to track the M/E conversion bomb's parts to an organization called Akodo Heavy Industries.
-information on Akodo follows-
My mission compatriots assure me that infiltration of Akodo Industries is possible. I will continue my investigation.
So far, I have found little evidence that the parts came from the PRC as suspected.
-: ENDTRANSMISSION :-
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There is no substantative evidence that the Alliance captured the task force. Looking over your sensor logs at these "300 km ships" the BA does not even have ships that large
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"So the decision has been made to move the government onto the PLN Thantos?"
"Then lets get moving. It's a day's travel away."
The ship with the Politburo left the ecliptic of the galaxy, accompanied by most of the 1st fleet.
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FROM: Senate of the Commonwealth (Desjardins)
TO: PRC Office of Diplomacy
SUBJ: Deadline
-::-
You have 12 hours to submit to the will of the Alliance. Upon your failure to meet that deadline, a state of war will exist between your nation and ours.
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