STGOD: A Dead Art?

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2007-06-19 04:55pm

Right on, Thirdfain! If I had sent someone to the Coalition meeting, they'd be thinking the same thing right now!

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2007-06-19 04:56pm

I'm going to wait until everybody's done before I ask for a spot. I'll likely want a spot twice as far, if not three or four times as far, as the next closest person to Sol. I should be at the very extreme range of travel for this technology level, and should require mid-transit refueling with dedicated tankers, or long-ranged scouts modified with extra fuel tanks.

This is not because I want to be immune to counter attack, but because I plan not to be as active as most people, and I don't want to be in no-man's land when something important happens and unable to respond OOC.

HSRTG · Post by **HSRTG** » 2007-06-19 04:59pm

-10 at the edge also means way outside of known space. Remember kids, it's a sphere.

Meh, I'll go for -3, -4, then. I do want to be slightly outside. My species would hardly be able to remain isolationist for long if there were lots of folks around.

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2007-06-19 05:04pm

Alright, my next section is up. I'm new at this. Have I tried to do too much in one post? I was operating under the point costs listed under the various OoB's for the preliminary combat results, and my marines' stated talents for rapid ship take-overs. Have I gone too far? If so, please let me know how to fix it.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2007-06-19 05:11pm

Hey, Booties... very nice post, but I regret to inform you that your ships aren't coming engines online

I mean, it's swashbuckling and all, but your position is very very poor. It doesn't matter how good your commandoes are, they would be facing simply huge forces, the Marines from the Fleet Carriers AND the follow-up transports. There's simply no way they'd be able to subdue the Marine units all at once without any warning- there would be at the VERY least minutes (if not hours) of brutal fighting.

From my post earlier in the thread:

As the follow-up transports arrived, along with the tugs and the vast and frightening bulks of the Fleet Carriers which had finally made it on-scene, Eddard watched with inward dejection. The dining room was on the outer edge of the Bialystock's hull, and it was blessed with two thick panels of armoured glass- the only decorative windows on the ship. Eddard knew that even at that moment, swarms of armored Poles were rounding his crew-members up and herding them into transports- except for some groups of technicians and officers, kept under tight guard by power-armoured Fleet Infantry.

Never mind taking over what, half the squadron with only a few shuttle's worth of troops without ANY warning? Utterly impossible, mate

-edit- As a rule, a MAJOR operation like this should be split up into a series of posts- it should be an exchange, sort of like the conversation so far. A post where a bunch of "prisoners" pull weapons and fire on the Polish marines, a post as the Carriers pull closer and launch a follow-up wave, a post where your commandoes retake the bridge, a post where the Polish second wave starts burning through the hull... so on and so forth.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2007-06-19 05:15pm

Guys, do take in mind that there is a simply MASSIVE amount of space inside of that sphere. I made it bigger than previous STGODs for a reason. You could easily be 10 hexes from earth and never had any contact with them whatsoever. Please take that in mind when deciding where you want your nation to go on the map.

And if there's a serious problem as to placement, like someone else is too close for your liking, talk it over with them or have me move you. It's not a big deal. Nothing is set in stone except Sol (that's Earth, by the by).

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2007-06-19 05:28pm

Hey, UCBooties, you are trying to sell us on having marines that are great at capturing ships, but I don't see points into that in the OOB. Sure, you have indicated that your Lamprey class are specially designed for boarding missions, and thus would have some pretty badass marines. But you sent BLACKBLADES, and nothing is said about the quality of your marines in general, or the quality of your marines on Blackblades in particular.

If you want your average marine to be better than normal at taking over ships, that will cost you points.

Redleader34 · Post by **Redleader34** » 2007-06-19 05:37pm

I am +5 -2 from The Earth then, it is nice and safe, but not too off from Earth proper

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2007-06-19 05:39pm

Just so everyone realizes what they're getting into. It takes 2-4 weeks to travel from Sol to the edge of 'known' space. In stgod 4 it was two weeks, but this map has a much bigger 'known space' region, so 3-4 weeks wouldn't be unreasonable in my mind.

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2007-06-19 05:43pm

I deleted the post so as to avoid further problems. Should I now revise my OoB to reflect my losses?

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2007-06-19 05:44pm

Hmm. -7 +1, on the elliptic to keep things sensible. No inflated zone of control, the League is entirely too small for that sort of thing.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2007-06-19 05:47pm

Seeing as a planet full of sentient Dinosaurs would have made news long ago, where's a good location for a "Here There Be Dragons" zone of space that doesn't put me way out on the crazyass fringe? I want to be a bit outside of human space, since they obvious don't know of me (or all their governments have successfully covered my existance up!) but they DID come from Earth, so they shouldn't be on the outer rim. The escape fleet was Battlestar Jussatica afterall, not the sort of thing that would have gone too terribly out of their way before settling down.

Bugsby · Post by **Bugsby** » 2007-06-19 05:47pm

UCBooties wrote:I deleted the post so as to avoid further problems. Should I now revise my OoB to reflect my losses?

Woah woah woah. Deleted the post? You can't hit the "undo" button here, unless Thirdfain agrees to it. You posted that you tried to take over his ships, and from the way you posted, that was a preset plan. Which means that this was an event that was going to happen since three pages ago. (Even if that's not the case, even if you just came up with it now, you posted as though this plan was set from the beginning, and you have to live with that reality now). Thirdfain's problem seems to be in the way you made assumptions about your force capabilities that aren't at all realistic. PM Thirdfain, get on the same page, and then RP it out.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2007-06-19 05:48pm

UCBooties wrote:I deleted the post so as to avoid further problems. Should I now revise my OoB to reflect my losses?

Sure.

However, I'd be amenable to working out some sort of byplay, and making a plotline out of this.

Starglider · Post by **Starglider** » 2007-06-19 05:53pm

Updated the two posts that deal with the battle. The NGTO reaction speech just needs edited for casualty figures, which I revised upwards to reflect that running away from a ship with twice the fire power is going to be painful even if you're cunning, lucky and cloakable. The damage would've been even worse, possibly fatal, if the enemy ship hadn't stopped firing when it did.

My D-grade diplomats that were left on earth will be understandably upset, would you like to do something with them Thirdfain?

EDIT: NGTO speech revised, I think that's my retcon edits done.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2007-06-19 05:55pm

Guys, let this be a note. Don't EVER post that you automagically do something. Post what you intend to do and leave the reaction to your opponent. Ideally, you should talk this action out with your opponent (or at least a mod) before making it so that when you DO post you can make a post of the entire action without ruffling any feathers.

Remember, unless you have it cleared with the other party, never call hits, just say you took the shot. Let them say if it hit or not, or if it did any damage, or what have you.

Redleader34 · Post by **Redleader34** » 2007-06-19 05:56pm

As a fellow member of the NGTO, I shall pick them up, and send them home as the first passangers on that Mothership of mine then..

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2007-06-19 05:56pm

My D-grade diplomats that were left on earth will be understandably upset, would you like to do something with them Thirdfain?

Uh, I figure they are diplomats. Don't you have any response to the big speech my President just made on the subject of the attack in orbit?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2007-06-19 05:57pm

The Republic's location, stretching from Earth out towards the Rim.

-edit- Location is "+0," btw.

Starglider · Post by **Starglider** » 2007-06-19 05:58pm

Redleader34 wrote:As a fellow member of the NGTO, I shall pick them up, and send them home as the first passangers on that Mothership of mine then..

I think they'll want to know WTF is going on first.

Thirdfain wrote:Don't you have any response to the big speech my President just made on the subject of the attack in orbit?

Ok, I'll get to it shortly.

UCBooties · Post by **UCBooties** » 2007-06-19 05:58pm

The "Arr Pirates!" response was pretty much a desperate gamble to keep my ships. In hind-sight, I'd rather retain the Duke's appeal as legitimate, even at the cost of the ships. I'll simply have to be smarter about committing my troops in the future and having the Duke in Polish custody could provide some interesting role-playing. I'm willing to let my defeat stand if it allows me to retcon out the treachery. Perhaps that's not very Piratey but it was my intention to depict and play a society in transition.

Darkevilme · Post by **Darkevilme** » 2007-06-19 05:58pm

@hotfoot: *is enlightened* so the no godmoding rule is enforced in this rp form as well, gotcha. I'd been meaning to ask people that for a while but somehow never got round to it

Academia Nut · Post by **Academia Nut** » 2007-06-19 06:00pm

I think that this is roughly where you can find the Straltoc.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2007-06-19 06:01pm

UCBooties wrote:The "Arr Pirates!" response was pretty much a desperate gamble to keep my ships. In hind-sight, I'd rather retain the Duke's appeal as legitimate, even at the cost of the ships. I'll simply have to be smarter about committing my troops in the future and having the Duke in Polish custody could provide some interesting role-playing. I'm willing to let my defeat stand if it allows me to retcon out the treachery. Perhaps that's not very Piratey but it was my intention to depict and play a society in transition.

As the other person involved in the exchange, I'm OK with this. With the large number of newe players we have, we need to have some leeway. Otherwise, the game'll be unworkable.

To give you guys an idea as to how to go about nasty power-plays, just observe my own operation against UCBooties where I took his ships hostage. I played it over a number of posts, giving him time to react and think out what was going on, and behind the scenes, I PMed the mods (in this case Nitram and ImperialOverlord, because they were in the lead in the mod elections,) with the details of my plan asking if it seemed workable or not, and THEN I posted my power-play to take the Duke into custody.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2007-06-19 06:06pm

Any input on where I might be, based on the criteria I gave?

Also, once you guys finish deciding where you are, I'll make a prettier version of the map in photoshop. I'll layer it over a picture of the milky way, which puts Earth on one end of it. I figure that the right or left extreme side would be approaching the core.