If Alfred knows where to find a razor in a hurry, Larric wants to borrow it when we have some spare time. His chin itches, and his personal effects have been in total disarray since the skydiving incident.
"That's a filthy little nest of rats we've found out." Larric frowns. Privately he thinks the world might just be a better place if it was run more on craft and less on bossiness. Definitely an appreciator and mostly-worshipper of the people's gods. He pauses to think. The obvious question is whether or not these men's confessions as we've heard them can be used in court, or duplicated in court. If they can, win-win all around, and as a bone thrown to d'Avariel our suspicions about the identity of the woman in gray might just not need to come out. Since she's probably not the one who set them after us.
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"So that handles Dame Tamarin's incident," Dale says while closing in on the one doing the most talking. He doesn't stalk, loom or invade personal space, just moves into the view of the two of them and comes to a stop, resting hands on the hilts of knives.
"I am also curious about why the two of you were following my friends, and who directed you to have them elliminated. You did try to bribe several tradesmen into acting as a mob. Why? Most importantly, who?"
"I am also curious about why the two of you were following my friends, and who directed you to have them elliminated. You did try to bribe several tradesmen into acting as a mob. Why? Most importantly, who?"
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In terms of personal grooming, the lower levels of the tower were workshop space, for several different crafts; probably not likely to find a barber's razor as such, but small sharp blades shouldn't be too difficult to come by.
Dale gets a stuttered answer that amounts to that they thought- or had suggested to them by the acolyte (he doesn't seem able to remember which, he's not lying, just a genuine fuzz in memory which indicates it was "suggested" to him)- that they had to get you before you, being Tamarin's friends, got them.
They were following the party trying to come up with something, couldn't think of anything that was going to work, then you spotted them, reputation played a part, and they ended up like this.
Moves from here?
Dale gets a stuttered answer that amounts to that they thought- or had suggested to them by the acolyte (he doesn't seem able to remember which, he's not lying, just a genuine fuzz in memory which indicates it was "suggested" to him)- that they had to get you before you, being Tamarin's friends, got them.
They were following the party trying to come up with something, couldn't think of anything that was going to work, then you spotted them, reputation played a part, and they ended up like this.
Moves from here?
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OK, that takes the cake, consider me successfully outwaited.
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Larric scratches his stubble again. "Ah-ha. So- if we take this to the baron's court, what happens next?" I-the-player have no idea what the rights of the accused are in this system, and Larric-the-character might himself not be entirely sure.
OK, that takes the cake, consider me successfully outwaited.
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Larric scratches his stubble again. "Ah-ha. So- if we take this to the baron's court, what happens next?" I-the-player have no idea what the rights of the accused are in this system, and Larric-the-character might himself not be entirely sure.
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"What do we want? If it keeps them alive these two will say anything we tell them to." Having a darkelf view of a legal system has slightly jaded Dirt's view on court justice and rules of evidence.
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"What do we want? If it keeps them alive these two will say anything we tell them to." Having a darkelf view of a legal system has slightly jaded Dirt's view on court justice and rules of evidence.
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Officially, in terms of law and lawcourts, most villages and hamlets operate on common law under the guidance of the village elder or headman; someone who does not like the judgement of his peers can appeal.
Legal documents run to one and two pages, the average man in the street has more grasp of the rules than we do largely because there's less to keep track of; and looking at it carefully I think the bare bones of feudalism are still with us, because a lot of law is contract law- the essence of feudalism is the specific, local agreement, patchworks of individual and often idiosyncratic deals.
The entire reason we talk about nobles holding court is because they did; it was their major function, next to hitting people in the king's name. The officers of the court tend to be responsible for their own fields of the law, enacting and enforcing, and judging disputes as they occur. One can appeal upwards from say a sherriff's serjeant to an undersherriff to the sheriff to the baron, but the louder and pushier you are about doing it the nastier the system tends to get. Higher rank you are, higher rank you start with.
System is essentially adversarial, and the default assumption is that every man is his own lawyer- you plead your own case. Professional representation can happen, for the inarticulate or the busy, and the guilds and institutions usually have such things- the common man, not.
Corrupt? In local terms, no- most courts are open, public affairs, rumour moves at lightning speed and all happens in the middle of the web of mutual obligations; but it is definitely the case that someone well liked and respected has a much better chance than someone unpopular.
As far as prejudice goes, public or at least peer opinion has quite a lot to do with how it is likely to go- the audience for the trial essentially being the jury, in practise. More important matters less so; a really shocking or spectacular case is likely to be played much closer to the strictures of the written law, because it covers the presiding officer's backside more effectively if there is controversy.
(Consider that Lisanna is telling you all of this.)
Here, this pair being gentry if not exactly nobility would be taken into custody by the sherriff, and probably tried more or less immediately; remember he's not on firm ground at the moment. One of the party- probably Alfred, unless Dale steps up- would be the accuser. The audience and jury would be the factions at court, and once convicted, given the weight of evidence, there would definitely and possibly literally be fireworks. Considering who they'd drag in, things would get fraught, fast.
They are basically bang to rights, convicted out of their own mouths; it's the politics of who falls out with who afterwards that are problematical. You may want to do a little preliminary rigging of the odds.
Panzer, Fiji? Plan, if there is one?
Legal documents run to one and two pages, the average man in the street has more grasp of the rules than we do largely because there's less to keep track of; and looking at it carefully I think the bare bones of feudalism are still with us, because a lot of law is contract law- the essence of feudalism is the specific, local agreement, patchworks of individual and often idiosyncratic deals.
The entire reason we talk about nobles holding court is because they did; it was their major function, next to hitting people in the king's name. The officers of the court tend to be responsible for their own fields of the law, enacting and enforcing, and judging disputes as they occur. One can appeal upwards from say a sherriff's serjeant to an undersherriff to the sheriff to the baron, but the louder and pushier you are about doing it the nastier the system tends to get. Higher rank you are, higher rank you start with.
System is essentially adversarial, and the default assumption is that every man is his own lawyer- you plead your own case. Professional representation can happen, for the inarticulate or the busy, and the guilds and institutions usually have such things- the common man, not.
Corrupt? In local terms, no- most courts are open, public affairs, rumour moves at lightning speed and all happens in the middle of the web of mutual obligations; but it is definitely the case that someone well liked and respected has a much better chance than someone unpopular.
As far as prejudice goes, public or at least peer opinion has quite a lot to do with how it is likely to go- the audience for the trial essentially being the jury, in practise. More important matters less so; a really shocking or spectacular case is likely to be played much closer to the strictures of the written law, because it covers the presiding officer's backside more effectively if there is controversy.
(Consider that Lisanna is telling you all of this.)
Here, this pair being gentry if not exactly nobility would be taken into custody by the sherriff, and probably tried more or less immediately; remember he's not on firm ground at the moment. One of the party- probably Alfred, unless Dale steps up- would be the accuser. The audience and jury would be the factions at court, and once convicted, given the weight of evidence, there would definitely and possibly literally be fireworks. Considering who they'd drag in, things would get fraught, fast.
They are basically bang to rights, convicted out of their own mouths; it's the politics of who falls out with who afterwards that are problematical. You may want to do a little preliminary rigging of the odds.
Panzer, Fiji? Plan, if there is one?
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Dale looks hard at the men then turns to speak with the others.
"We should discuss this in private a moment," Dale looks meaningfully at Lisanna then at the prisoners. He does not know how such things work but understands a sufficiently skilled wizard can deafen/mute bystanders. (OOC - a wall or dome of silence, stuffing their ears with blocks of air, magically creating dazzling sounds/sights in their perception etc. Method is less relevant than that they don't hear what we say/plot together). Assuming Lisanna does something suitable to the prisoners to keep them ignorant of our discussion...
"I will accuse them. By doing so Sir Alfred can be called to witness without it becoming more tangled for him. Also, the Temple of Valdemiron is already aligning against me. They may have done something spectacularly nasty to my own Order and have made one attempt already to snare me within their schemes. I am a target, will remain a target and would take some pleasure in thwarting their will at the current time. As a matter of politics, the sherriff needs to be informed (roll of 5 on politics, skill = 8 ) although since this will rapidly involve the Temple of Valdemiron in some way at least, if not in a major one, things may be best hastened to the Baron's attention as well."
"Dirt's point may be correct, but the truth will be almost more damning. Our challenge will be ensuring that they repeat it accurately in court with more witnesses present. Dame Tamarin needs to be present to identify them, and it helps that Dame Lisanna (not sure if that's the right title) has witnessed their confession. She bears some authority. The Valdemiri will no doubt muscle into the proceedings and attempt to either silence the witnesses or discredit me/us or both. There is an outside chance they may even attempt to seize power by force. Whatever they have been plotting is unhealthy and has certainly involved dark violence. If they don't feel they can hang some minor officials out to dry, they may react more desperately or violently than the legal system is prepared for. If they do so, our sense of justice and witnesses will matter only in as much as having more people present will offer more resistance to the Valdemiri. That is of course, a worst case scenario, unless the Baron himself is working with the Temple in which case we'll have a spectacularly strange trial and be in terrible peril."
Dale's begining to spin off into some pretty depressing thoughts... anybody stop him if you will and/or add some to this plan. We're already in it up to our necks, but depending upon how we proceed we could go directly from "court" to "combat" or "run-like-hell" depending upon how bad things are. I seem to recall the Druid offering a rather grim assessment of the fate of the Baron and his court. This could easily be the kind of thing he was talking about.
"We should discuss this in private a moment," Dale looks meaningfully at Lisanna then at the prisoners. He does not know how such things work but understands a sufficiently skilled wizard can deafen/mute bystanders. (OOC - a wall or dome of silence, stuffing their ears with blocks of air, magically creating dazzling sounds/sights in their perception etc. Method is less relevant than that they don't hear what we say/plot together). Assuming Lisanna does something suitable to the prisoners to keep them ignorant of our discussion...
"I will accuse them. By doing so Sir Alfred can be called to witness without it becoming more tangled for him. Also, the Temple of Valdemiron is already aligning against me. They may have done something spectacularly nasty to my own Order and have made one attempt already to snare me within their schemes. I am a target, will remain a target and would take some pleasure in thwarting their will at the current time. As a matter of politics, the sherriff needs to be informed (roll of 5 on politics, skill = 8 ) although since this will rapidly involve the Temple of Valdemiron in some way at least, if not in a major one, things may be best hastened to the Baron's attention as well."
"Dirt's point may be correct, but the truth will be almost more damning. Our challenge will be ensuring that they repeat it accurately in court with more witnesses present. Dame Tamarin needs to be present to identify them, and it helps that Dame Lisanna (not sure if that's the right title) has witnessed their confession. She bears some authority. The Valdemiri will no doubt muscle into the proceedings and attempt to either silence the witnesses or discredit me/us or both. There is an outside chance they may even attempt to seize power by force. Whatever they have been plotting is unhealthy and has certainly involved dark violence. If they don't feel they can hang some minor officials out to dry, they may react more desperately or violently than the legal system is prepared for. If they do so, our sense of justice and witnesses will matter only in as much as having more people present will offer more resistance to the Valdemiri. That is of course, a worst case scenario, unless the Baron himself is working with the Temple in which case we'll have a spectacularly strange trial and be in terrible peril."
Dale's begining to spin off into some pretty depressing thoughts... anybody stop him if you will and/or add some to this plan. We're already in it up to our necks, but depending upon how we proceed we could go directly from "court" to "combat" or "run-like-hell" depending upon how bad things are. I seem to recall the Druid offering a rather grim assessment of the fate of the Baron and his court. This could easily be the kind of thing he was talking about.
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It was more rules of evidence I was concerned about, and in medieval justice I didn't really expect to find much of any- which is convenient for us. My last courtroom experience was not long ago and left me in a rather grousy and unpleasant mood about the whole business.
Rules of evidence were part of why it did.
Much of what is in ECR's last post, I think, would be public knowledge, or simply facts taken for granted that all men understand and no one formally states.
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I would think it easier to create sufficient sound directly around two men so that they hear nothing else, than to create sufficient silence around a large group that no one else can hear anything at all. If Lisanna were not there, Larric would try his hand at creating an overpowering crackle of random static-sound right around the heads of the two men, loud enough to blot out a quiet conversation on the other side of the room. Lisanna may (or may not) do something different. If she does, he'll be watching carefully and appreciatively.
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During the presumed conversation, Larric recoils at word that the Valdemironi are interfering with Dale- that's news to him, which he didn't have a chance to pick up before. "Baron deVerett seems to like d'Avariel from what I've heard. I bet she'd be just as happy to have a lever, to pry apart him and the Valdemironi. And- from what you said-" nodding at Lisanna- "she's no friend of the plot to kill Tamarin even if she got roped into it somehow. If we're short on friends, we might throw her a bone by trying to keep her out of this mess instead of in it. I don't think we can trust her, but she might at least help keep things from getting too much of a pile on top of us."
It was more rules of evidence I was concerned about, and in medieval justice I didn't really expect to find much of any- which is convenient for us. My last courtroom experience was not long ago and left me in a rather grousy and unpleasant mood about the whole business.
Rules of evidence were part of why it did.
Much of what is in ECR's last post, I think, would be public knowledge, or simply facts taken for granted that all men understand and no one formally states.
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I would think it easier to create sufficient sound directly around two men so that they hear nothing else, than to create sufficient silence around a large group that no one else can hear anything at all. If Lisanna were not there, Larric would try his hand at creating an overpowering crackle of random static-sound right around the heads of the two men, loud enough to blot out a quiet conversation on the other side of the room. Lisanna may (or may not) do something different. If she does, he'll be watching carefully and appreciatively.
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During the presumed conversation, Larric recoils at word that the Valdemironi are interfering with Dale- that's news to him, which he didn't have a chance to pick up before. "Baron deVerett seems to like d'Avariel from what I've heard. I bet she'd be just as happy to have a lever, to pry apart him and the Valdemironi. And- from what you said-" nodding at Lisanna- "she's no friend of the plot to kill Tamarin even if she got roped into it somehow. If we're short on friends, we might throw her a bone by trying to keep her out of this mess instead of in it. I don't think we can trust her, but she might at least help keep things from getting too much of a pile on top of us."
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Dirt looks at our two increasingly depressed and scared captives; "What it worth to let you go? How can you make it good not to take you to court?"
Just because we have these two bang to rights doesn't mean that a trial before the court is our only option. Once we've played this hand its over, so it may be worth trying to gain as much out of it as we can. Chances are that their backers would prefer a more quieter solution and will be willing to negotiate to achieve it. It all depends on what Alfred's and Dale's ultimate goals are in the area (Larric's and Dirt's aims can be achieved regardless, but it would be easier if the other two were in a position of strength and stability).
Just because we have these two bang to rights doesn't mean that a trial before the court is our only option. Once we've played this hand its over, so it may be worth trying to gain as much out of it as we can. Chances are that their backers would prefer a more quieter solution and will be willing to negotiate to achieve it. It all depends on what Alfred's and Dale's ultimate goals are in the area (Larric's and Dirt's aims can be achieved regardless, but it would be easier if the other two were in a position of strength and stability).
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The basic rule of evidence is that anyone can say what they like, and it is up to the judge, the officer of the court, whether or not to believe it; what is said is weighted by the reputation, the rank and the speaking skills of the individual.
Natural justice can be quite unjust; it takes a long time and a lot of miscarriages of justice to evolve a system that protects the misfits, the unpopular and the outsider. Then it keeps on evolving.
Lisanna strings together a composite of several skills- air, sense, MA(guile), life- to hide the conspiring, and says 'I don't like d'Avariel, or trust her- I have too much respect for her abilities to do those things. If the very worst happens, though, I'd rather have enough power on our side to force the Valdemironi to back down instead of disputing the point.
Bringing her in would mean sparking off a religious revolution, priests against priests. The cleanest way out of it may be to have enough strength that it would be obvious even to them that they would lose.
I know something of their powers, the valdemironi, and two are best described as "discipline" and "blackmail". Their backers didn't just want Tamarin dead, they wanted her brother in law to have gained from it in a dirty, underhanded fashion- that they could then hold over him and make him obey them.
They also wanted someone pliable, someone who would let themselves be told what to do, in the chamberlain's job. Their backers wanted power, behind the scenes- to begin with. Some things may need to be hidden away for the sake of peace and a return to normal, but this?'
Natural justice can be quite unjust; it takes a long time and a lot of miscarriages of justice to evolve a system that protects the misfits, the unpopular and the outsider. Then it keeps on evolving.
Lisanna strings together a composite of several skills- air, sense, MA(guile), life- to hide the conspiring, and says 'I don't like d'Avariel, or trust her- I have too much respect for her abilities to do those things. If the very worst happens, though, I'd rather have enough power on our side to force the Valdemironi to back down instead of disputing the point.
Bringing her in would mean sparking off a religious revolution, priests against priests. The cleanest way out of it may be to have enough strength that it would be obvious even to them that they would lose.
I know something of their powers, the valdemironi, and two are best described as "discipline" and "blackmail". Their backers didn't just want Tamarin dead, they wanted her brother in law to have gained from it in a dirty, underhanded fashion- that they could then hold over him and make him obey them.
They also wanted someone pliable, someone who would let themselves be told what to do, in the chamberlain's job. Their backers wanted power, behind the scenes- to begin with. Some things may need to be hidden away for the sake of peace and a return to normal, but this?'
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Larric nods "I don't think we're better off leaving this boil to fester. If they'd do something like this once, they'll keep doing it until they win or their bunch is too broken up to dare try it again any time soon. Besides, we tried to make peace with a lying snake yesterday and it made no end of trouble, what makes you think this new lot of snakes will be any different?"
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"Dirt hope that one day snake not be so dumb. Say kill head of snake, warn little snakes not to poke out. Easy peace when all enemy dead."
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Dale listens carefully and nods at Dirt's advice.
"That would be easier, but sadly is not likely right now. Valdemiron's servants may be responsible for the absence of my own. At the very least they have taken advantage of that absence for their own devices. Their scheming seems to have been deeply detrimental to D'nor's servants and duties. If they have been equally as clusmy and wrong-headed in other areas, as seems likely based on Dame Tamarin's condition, then they are bringing harm to Qulan through a worrying array of incompetence and corruption."
"That would be easier, but sadly is not likely right now. Valdemiron's servants may be responsible for the absence of my own. At the very least they have taken advantage of that absence for their own devices. Their scheming seems to have been deeply detrimental to D'nor's servants and duties. If they have been equally as clusmy and wrong-headed in other areas, as seems likely based on Dame Tamarin's condition, then they are bringing harm to Qulan through a worrying array of incompetence and corruption."
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Lisanna thinks about it for a second. 'They are seldom if ever actually happy to be advisers; as priests of the chief of the gods, they think they should do more than push from behind the scenes, it should all actualy be theirs, the hunger is always there- and until we came out from the cavern, they were probably well on the way to that.
I think we know what we mean to do. How? Sir Alfred?'
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I think we know what we mean to do. How? Sir Alfred?'
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No sign of him; starting to worry now, PM sent and no reply.
Carry on and hope he'll catch up? It's basically mid evening in early spring, people will be up for a while yet; whenabouts are you hoping to stage the trial/snake- charming session, who are you talking to to arrange it, and are you talking to anyone else beforehand?
Carry on and hope he'll catch up? It's basically mid evening in early spring, people will be up for a while yet; whenabouts are you hoping to stage the trial/snake- charming session, who are you talking to to arrange it, and are you talking to anyone else beforehand?
Re: Homebrew system thread II, part 2
Well... here goes nothing:
"These two must stand accused of inciting public discord, conspiracy, assault and attempted murder. The conspiracy portion, which seems to involve the temple of Valdemiron, demands that this be either a very private or a very public trial. I am in favor of having it be more public with many people present to witness what transpires. This puts us at less immediate risk of more thugs, but also may undo some of the harm such scheming by the Valdemironi is having in Qulan."
"Dame Tamarin must be present to identy these assailants, Dame Lisanna should also be since she has a position of court influence and heard their testimony. The sheriff should be summoned to preside, but I think this needs to take place in the Baron's courtroom. It will be dangerous no matter how we proceed, but dragging this ugly business before the Baron himself will at least result in a sense of distinct judgment and action."
"Any other suggestions? If not we need to move to the court and put out a call for others to gather, including our key witnesses."
"These two must stand accused of inciting public discord, conspiracy, assault and attempted murder. The conspiracy portion, which seems to involve the temple of Valdemiron, demands that this be either a very private or a very public trial. I am in favor of having it be more public with many people present to witness what transpires. This puts us at less immediate risk of more thugs, but also may undo some of the harm such scheming by the Valdemironi is having in Qulan."
"Dame Tamarin must be present to identy these assailants, Dame Lisanna should also be since she has a position of court influence and heard their testimony. The sheriff should be summoned to preside, but I think this needs to take place in the Baron's courtroom. It will be dangerous no matter how we proceed, but dragging this ugly business before the Baron himself will at least result in a sense of distinct judgment and action."
"Any other suggestions? If not we need to move to the court and put out a call for others to gather, including our key witnesses."
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"I'm for dragging it out in the open, but if d'Avariel tried to make the plot against Dame Tamarin not work, then I'm for doing what we can to keep any of this from landing on her. Sound all right to you?" He looks to Dale and Lisanna.
[Larric mentally files what little magical traces were left on the scene by the muffled wizard as being probably-d'Avariel's work]
[Larric mentally files what little magical traces were left on the scene by the muffled wizard as being probably-d'Avariel's work]
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'Yes.' Lisanna agrees. 'Practically speaking, I don't want to leave them unguarded, I also wouldn't put it past the Valdemironi to get up to dirty work in dark alleys. Letting the sherriff's men round up witnesses is at least the way it's supposed to be done. I'd like to get a message to the wizards' guild, though.
D'Avariel- I agree with that course of action for entirely different reasons. I don't trust her not to put her own spin on it in the interests of her own goddess and church, and the further from centre stage she is the better.
Shall we simply take them into the great hall and play it from there?' She says, moving to take one of the accused by the arm.
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Simon, I think you're probably right, Panzersharkcat's gone off to be a soldier and forgot to tell us; something suitable may have to happen to Alfred.
On the other hand, the thread got about three hundred views while nothing was happening and I'm fairly sure they weren't all us, so is there anyone out there wanting to join in?
D'Avariel- I agree with that course of action for entirely different reasons. I don't trust her not to put her own spin on it in the interests of her own goddess and church, and the further from centre stage she is the better.
Shall we simply take them into the great hall and play it from there?' She says, moving to take one of the accused by the arm.
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Simon, I think you're probably right, Panzersharkcat's gone off to be a soldier and forgot to tell us; something suitable may have to happen to Alfred.
On the other hand, the thread got about three hundred views while nothing was happening and I'm fairly sure they weren't all us, so is there anyone out there wanting to join in?
Re: Homebrew system thread II, part 2
"Dirt think we let Alfred deal with court. We kick down priest door and teach him to follow path of nice or else."
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Happy to roll with what gets us moving again (been an very hectic week).
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Happy to roll with what gets us moving again (been an very hectic week).
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Larric shakes his head. "I don't want to fight that many priests. Not without more army on my side. I think we need our day in court first, and the rest later."
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I'm going to make an assumption here, and that is that Dirt remembers from the caverns what someone having their brain beaten into submission with magic looks like. It's an ability that frequently gets the reaction 'you did what?- it is a long way from acceptable in polite company, but it is something the valdemironi can do, if sufficiently pushed. Dale kept that shield from the caverns, that's one of the things that would have to be auctioned specially to get anyhting like decent value for it; that's something.
This could be the prelude to a major battle, though. There's a messenger come looking for Alfred; apparently Andrea has drifted back into something resembling consciousness, and wants to see him. Spoiler
Inside, the seating arrangements are instructive. The baron is at the head table of basically a long u- shape, and closest to him are some of the people he was down in the cavern with. Only the head officers of court- treasurer, constable, sherriff- are even at the same table, they are not being given due precedence at all. One Valdemironi acolyte, couple from Ayral and Huran, one priestess of Chelet. Quite a lot of knights, not many of them armoured.
Who's starting it off?
This could be the prelude to a major battle, though. There's a messenger come looking for Alfred; apparently Andrea has drifted back into something resembling consciousness, and wants to see him. Spoiler
He has to deal with that, which leaves you to drag the criminals up to the main hall. The sun is setting, which helps a bit with concealment and not being caught on the way. It's already been a fairly long day.
Inside, the seating arrangements are instructive. The baron is at the head table of basically a long u- shape, and closest to him are some of the people he was down in the cavern with. Only the head officers of court- treasurer, constable, sherriff- are even at the same table, they are not being given due precedence at all. One Valdemironi acolyte, couple from Ayral and Huran, one priestess of Chelet. Quite a lot of knights, not many of them armoured.
Who's starting it off?
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Re: Homebrew system thread II, part 2
Larric's last real interaction with the baron was the baron saying something like "good, a wizard with some sense of tactics" Being seen as a wizard with common sense is a good thing he hopes. He wants to make sure the party gets the first opportunity to shape events, so he speaks quickly, honestly, but plainly.
"Milord, we found the men that tried to kill Dame Tamarin Welbrooke the other day, when they tried to set a mob on us and Sir Alfred.
[insert respectful but appropriate title if applicable] Lisanna got the truth of it out of them, so we brought them straightaway to you."
"Milord, we found the men that tried to kill Dame Tamarin Welbrooke the other day, when they tried to set a mob on us and Sir Alfred.
[insert respectful but appropriate title if applicable] Lisanna got the truth of it out of them, so we brought them straightaway to you."
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Re: Homebrew system thread II, part 2
He thinks very carefully about that for a second. Glances at the acolyte of Valdemiron. He suspects, at least.
'And you want them brought to justice here and now?' he says, but doesn't wait for an answer- turns to the sherriff, 'Close the castle gates, no-one in or out without my permission.'
The constable half comes to his feet, that's supposed to be his job. The fact that someone else is being told to do it is not a good sign for him. He is glared at by several of the knights, and subsides- in person- but there are people moving in and out of the hall.
"Let justice be done, though the heavens fall" is not part of the baron's job. Maybe in theory, but in practise not having heavy things fall on your head takes practical precedence.
He probably saw something like this coming, but giving him no choice except to deal with it now means a higher chance of something kicking off. He may not be best pleased about that.
They will start into their own story, and seem to have decided that the best if not only way out of it is to try to shade it to put almost all the blame on the valdemironi. The way they tell it they were pawns, nothing more, abused and harassed and browbeaten into it.
The reactions around the room are interesting; everybody's listening with one ear and trying to overhear each other with the other ear, trying to figure out what this does. Who this leaves in trouble, and who it may leave with nothing to lose. The tension, already high, is rising rapidly.
What are you doing, what if anything are you adding to their tale?
'And you want them brought to justice here and now?' he says, but doesn't wait for an answer- turns to the sherriff, 'Close the castle gates, no-one in or out without my permission.'
The constable half comes to his feet, that's supposed to be his job. The fact that someone else is being told to do it is not a good sign for him. He is glared at by several of the knights, and subsides- in person- but there are people moving in and out of the hall.
"Let justice be done, though the heavens fall" is not part of the baron's job. Maybe in theory, but in practise not having heavy things fall on your head takes practical precedence.
He probably saw something like this coming, but giving him no choice except to deal with it now means a higher chance of something kicking off. He may not be best pleased about that.
They will start into their own story, and seem to have decided that the best if not only way out of it is to try to shade it to put almost all the blame on the valdemironi. The way they tell it they were pawns, nothing more, abused and harassed and browbeaten into it.
The reactions around the room are interesting; everybody's listening with one ear and trying to overhear each other with the other ear, trying to figure out what this does. Who this leaves in trouble, and who it may leave with nothing to lose. The tension, already high, is rising rapidly.
What are you doing, what if anything are you adding to their tale?
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Re: Homebrew system thread II, part 2
I want to give Dale a chance here, though he wasn't directly involved in any of the events that these men are on trial for...
When they get round to the part that directly concerns Alfred, Dirt, and Larric, Larric will of course play a prime role in telling our side of the story, since Alfred isn't here and Dirt's testimony wouldn't be taken any too seriously.
He presents the facts first: They followed us, we suspected they were the survivors of the attack on Tamarin, from what Tamarin herself described to Larric. After we started moving about town on purpose to see if they'd follow, they did follow us, then cut ahead and tried to bribe someone to attack us. The someones rightly responded by not taking the bribe and helping us get ahold of the two men, who we then brought here.
If given the opportunity, in a few sentences he comments on any bits of the two men's story that imply they were particularly reluctant. Something like "I can't imagine somebody trying to hire a bunch of brawlers because they were pushed into it. Either these two are awfully rotten, coming after us like that just because we'd known Dame Tamarin for a week, or someone's been scrambling their brains so hard he made them rotten, so he could point them at us. I'm not sure which is worse."
When they get round to the part that directly concerns Alfred, Dirt, and Larric, Larric will of course play a prime role in telling our side of the story, since Alfred isn't here and Dirt's testimony wouldn't be taken any too seriously.
He presents the facts first: They followed us, we suspected they were the survivors of the attack on Tamarin, from what Tamarin herself described to Larric. After we started moving about town on purpose to see if they'd follow, they did follow us, then cut ahead and tried to bribe someone to attack us. The someones rightly responded by not taking the bribe and helping us get ahold of the two men, who we then brought here.
If given the opportunity, in a few sentences he comments on any bits of the two men's story that imply they were particularly reluctant. Something like "I can't imagine somebody trying to hire a bunch of brawlers because they were pushed into it. Either these two are awfully rotten, coming after us like that just because we'd known Dame Tamarin for a week, or someone's been scrambling their brains so hard he made them rotten, so he could point them at us. I'm not sure which is worse."
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