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AMD Q1 results

Posted: 2007-04-20 12:05am
by Yokel on an Island
Full report

Reuters wrote:
SAN FRANCISCO, April 19 (Reuters) - Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (AMD.N: Quote, Profile , Research) posted a bigger-than-expected quarterly loss on Thursday as the No. 2 maker of computer processors was hit by falling prices and unit shipments.

AMD said its net loss for the fiscal first quarter was $611 million, or $1.11 per share, compared to a profit of $184.5 million, or 38 cents per share, a year earlier. Revenue fell 7.4 percent to $1.23 billion.

The results were in-line with Wall Street estimates that were revised downward last week after AMD warned quarterly revenue would be about 20 percent below earlier forecasts.

Excluding special items, AMD was expected to have lost $258.1 million, or 47 cents per share, on revenue of $1.23 billion, according to the average analyst forecast on Reuters Estimates.

A new line-up of chips from AMD's larger rival Intel Corp. (INTC.O: Quote, Profile , Research) has stalled AMD's momentum and eaten into its sales, average prices and gross margins. AMD's shares have fallen 55 percent over the past year, compared to a rise in Intel of 11 percent."
Serious blood in the streets. More worrying is the fact that inventory is $937 million, up almost 25% from Q4 2006, with 40% of this inventory in 65 nm. The current plan seems to be cutting production, which means fab underutilization issues. There will also be a $500 million reduction in CapEx in the conversion of Fab 30 to Fab 38, with restructuring in the pipeline and almost certainly headcount reduction.

Things certainly won't get significantly better in 2007, Barcelona or no.

Posted: 2007-04-20 08:39am
by Chris OFarrell
Not that surprising. For quite a few years now AMD has been slapping Intel around in much of the CPU market, Intel has finally gotten its act together and gotten a very nice set of CPU's out and starting to eat their way back at an ever increasing pace.

Posted: 2007-04-20 08:55am
by Ace Pace
It also proves whatever 'brand loyalty' AMD thought it had in the enthusiast market was practically non existent. Nevermind their OEM deals which are dissapearing.

Posted: 2007-04-20 09:00am
by Lord Pounder
Loyalty means fuck all to me. I want maximum bang for minimum buck. Intel now deliver this better than AMD.

Posted: 2007-04-20 10:06am
by Hotfoot
I liked AMD, I really did, but Intel has come back in full force and as much as I may like a company, I have to go with where the performance is. AMD's one saving grace was that their processors (and the RAM that went with them) were cheaper than Intel's for the power they provided. Right now, that no longer seems to be the case. If they don't get up on the saddle again right quick and in a hurry, they're going to be in trouble, because Intel is still the big dog in the market.

Posted: 2007-04-20 11:27am
by Arthur_Tuxedo
With the recent price cuts, though, AMD again has the best bang for buck. $180 for an X2 5600+ with 2.8 GHz vs. $215 for an E6400 with 2.13 GHz. True, 2.1 gigs in a Core 2 is worth about 2.5 in an X2, but not 2.8.

Posted: 2007-04-20 02:18pm
by Yokel on an Island
The price cuts just indicate AMD's dilemma. They can win the core war or the price war, but not both. Ignoring any of the two could be fatal in the long term, but the falling ASPs due to the "scorched earth" price war will not endear them to the bean counters in the Street for this crucial year ahead, and they burned up all their goodwill last quarter with that ridiculous forecast.

There's also the small fact they have yet to expense all the costs for their ATI purchase.

Posted: 2007-04-20 02:39pm
by InnocentBystander
Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:With the recent price cuts, though, AMD again has the best bang for buck. $180 for an X2 5600+ with 2.8 GHz vs. $215 for an E6400 with 2.13 GHz. True, 2.1 gigs in a Core 2 is worth about 2.5 in an X2, but not 2.8.
Yes, I'd call the new prices extremely competitive. From the looks of it they really want to move stock.

Posted: 2007-04-21 08:06am
by The Kernel
I think this article by Ed Stroglio says it best. He may not be everyones favorite tech journalist, but I think he makes some fair points here and I actually agree with most everything he says here.

From Here
Ed Stroglio wrote:AMD lost over a half-billion dollars last quarter.

But that wasn't the bad news.

They lost that half-billion dollars mostly because people didn't want to buy their products. AMD took marketshare from Intel in 2006? They gave it all back:

(From here and here:

AMD's revenue share of total microprocessor market:

2005: 11.1%
2006: 16.1%
4Q06: 15.7%
1Q07: 11.1%

(Mind you, this isn't the same as unit marketshare, which will be higher, but will probably be much less than it was last quarter, probably less than 20% overall. Also keep in mind, though, that these results are before AMD's last big round of price cuts, so next quarter, instead of selling fewer units for more money, Green will sell more units for less money.)

But that isn't even the bad news.

The really bad news was what the AMD execs had to say about all this last night. They really didn't seem to know what to do other than keep doing what they've been doing, just a bit less of it.

To a large degree, they dragged out the old tired buzzwords, as tired as the product lineup, not realizing or maybe not even caring that they've become unintentionally hilarious. For instance, after your customers run away in droves, and reluctantly conceding in veiled terms that it was largely your fault, telling the world how good you are with customers you are is pretty funny.

The only practical item they seemed to commit to was that they were going to mortgage those assets not already heavily mortgaged, or sell assets. Outside of some real estate, that looks like selling some or all of Spansion (which used to be AMD's flash memory division), except they just had a big loss and is selling at an all-time low, too.

They'll slow down converting Fab30 to 300nm, they won't hire people (won't fire more than a handful, either, but among AMD's faults, overstaffing isn't one of them), and they'll try to scrimp and save.

They made a few insinuations to get the stock people excited, like being open to a private equity buyout, or contracting out more fab work, but committed to nothing.

They made a few positive grumbles about K10 and R600, but far fewer than one might expect under the circumstances. If anything, it seemed like target dates for new stuff slipped a bit more.

Maybe the best way to put that conference call in a sentence is that it all seemed like smoke and mirrors from people who really didn't have anything really good to say and were just going through the motions.

What was most shocking about the results wasn't so much the loss, anybody sane knew it was going to be bad, but how it happened. A big chunk of their sales volume just vapored like that.

Yes, of course Intel has been pressing them, but really, was it so much worse in Q1? All Intel has been doing is selling older processors fairly cheaply, and it's not like they started doing that this January. What's going to happen when C2Ds get cheap and Penryns show up?

It seems somehow unreal that Intel actually did so much damage all of a sudden just doing what they've done for the last year or so. It's like pinking somebody in the forehead and a few times, then seeing them fall to the ground dead after the third pink.

OK, that's an exaggeration, but there's no reason to accuse AMD of conspiring to make a profit until Q4 at the earliest, and before then, they're going to run out of the minimum money they have to have to meet their current loan and other contractual obligations. They don't seem to know what they're going to do about that, either.

Maybe I'm seeing things, but there seems to be something very serious and very wrong going on here, more than we know or can surmise.

For the first time, I really doubt AMD is going to make it, at least not in anything like the form it is today. There was something untypically very lifeless behind the words, not quite rearranging chairs on the Titanic, more like "we're not going to be running the ship much longer."
To break this down even more simply, AMD has already borrowed against pretty much everything they own (to the tune of $4 billion), has to pay for some serious fab improvements this year, is losing $500+ million a quarter and worst of all, has ~$1 billion in cash on hand.

I never really thought it would get this bad at AMD, but it really looks like AMD as a company is headed towards the end of the line. We new it would happen eventually, AMD just doesn't have the economics of scale to pay for all the horrificly expensive manufacturing (which only gets worse and worse every year) and sooner or later they were going to crack. It looks like come Xmas of this year, AMD might no longer exist at all unless they can seriously reverse this loss.

That's not to say a buyer might not be able to keep a portion of the company alive. Sure IBM has the manufacturing capacity to handle the desktop CPU market, but I haven't seen any indication that they are all that eager to reenter the consumer space at this point. IBM loves the enterprise market, and even they have followed the basic mantra that it's better to be a software player than a hardware player anyway.

Who else could afford AMD? Well Intel certainly, but that doesn't help any of us. None of the usual chip players could really afford, nor would they really want what AMD has (it comes with way too many liabilities and not enough strengths) and I just don't see ST, Motorola, or any of the other players being very interested in taking so huge a risk.

Some of the non-traditional companies could obviously pay for AMD (Microsoft for example) but this seems highly unlikely at this point. And I don't see Sun being the saving grace for AMD either...they have enough of their own problems at this point.

Someone else can feel free to come in a disagree with me here, but I just don't see a positive future for AMD if they get forced into a fire sale.