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The new Super Smash Bros site just went live: http://www.smashbros.com/
Not a lot right now, just some new screenshots of one of the stages...but the Music page is amazing. There's a list of all the composers working on the game.

The list is quite telling; between Yoko Shimomura from Kingdom Hearts, and Nobou Uematsu from Final Fantasy making a track... (Nobou is not on the list for some reason, but he was confirmed a few months back and even released a track from the game).

Then there are several composers from Capcom/Clover, and Sega (NiGHTS, specifically).

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts character appear; or a Capcom character (Megaman?) or Sega (Sonic? Nights?).

The website promises daily weekday updates, so I'll be refreshing a lot


Oh yes...and this is the pure awesome.

So now they're even referencing Smash Bros. as a series? I guess it is a Nintendo flagship title now. That new Menu 1 song from Melee sounds very nice. So far all the music I've heard from Brawl makes me hopeful. I look forward to hearing what all those composers can do to the Nintendo tunes.

Also, the new screenshots show a bit of interface. Apparently name and picture is near the percentages in this one. Looks decent.

I don't plan to massively refresh the site, though. It has an RSS feed, which is good enough for me. With RSS feed, site updates you!

My guess for the next update is Mario's character page. They'll be dangling new info in front of the fans for a long time with this one. Keep the hype strong. This could be fun to watch.

The good news "revealed" is that they're still pushing for an 07 release, the bad news as I see it is that it will only be four player. Oh well.

I can't see more than four-player Smash Bros. being anything besides a total mess.

I know, but I could dream. On the subject of controls, the sidebar on the website shows a horizontal Wii controller: perhaps that's the method used to control your character?

Qwerty 42 wrote:I know, but I could dream. On the subject of controls, the sidebar on the website shows a horizontal Wii controller: perhaps that's the method used to control your character?

Earlier comments implied that you play with Classic or GameCube controller. Dunno. I don't think the Wii remote sideways has enough buttons.

McNum wrote:So now they're even referencing Smash Bros. as a series?

There are three of them, after all.

Praxis wrote:

Qwerty 42 wrote:I know, but I could dream. On the subject of controls, the sidebar on the website shows a horizontal Wii controller: perhaps that's the method used to control your character?

Earlier comments implied that you play with Classic or GameCube controller. Dunno. I don't think the Wii remote sideways has enough buttons.

I don't see the point of super smash brothers brawl being on the wii (besides the graphics update) if we used the classic or gamecube controller with the game. I could imagine how it could work if we held the wii-mote horizontal.

Elite Pwnage wrote:I don't see the point of super smash brothers brawl being on the wii (besides the graphics update) if we used the classic or gamecube controller with the game. I could imagine how it could work if we held the wii-mote horizontal.

Internet play. Besides, motion-sensitive controls likely wouldn't be responsive enough for the competitive gameplay that the Smash Bros. series encourages. Sometimes, motion-sensitive controls simply aren't the best choice and requiring them would reduce the enjoyment of the game.

That said, it'd be nice if they do support the Wii Remote and Nunchuk in addition to the preferred GameCube and Classic controllers. I'd play around with it a little, but would most likely end up using the traditional control methods (as would most, I assume).

Also, the site's been updated with some very basic info on Mario and Link, as well as new screenshots for both. Hopefully they can keep up this pace.

Mad wrote:

Elite Pwnage wrote:I don't see the point of super smash brothers brawl being on the wii (besides the graphics update) if we used the classic or gamecube controller with the game. I could imagine how it could work if we held the wii-mote horizontal.

Internet play. Besides, motion-sensitive controls likely wouldn't be responsive enough for the competitive gameplay that the Smash Bros. series encourages. Sometimes, motion-sensitive controls simply aren't the best choice and requiring them would reduce the enjoyment of the game.

That said, it'd be nice if they do support the Wii Remote and Nunchuk in addition to the preferred GameCube and Classic controllers. I'd play around with it a little, but would most likely end up using the traditional control methods (as would most, I assume).

Also, the site's been updated with some very basic info on Mario and Link, as well as new screenshots for both. Hopefully they can keep up this pace.

I can't believe that I forgot about the online play.

Elite Pwnage wrote:

Praxis wrote:

Qwerty 42 wrote:I know, but I could dream. On the subject of controls, the sidebar on the website shows a horizontal Wii controller: perhaps that's the method used to control your character?

Earlier comments implied that you play with Classic or GameCube controller. Dunno. I don't think the Wii remote sideways has enough buttons.

I don't see the point of super smash brothers brawl being on the wii (besides the graphics update) if we used the classic or gamecube controller with the game. I could imagine how it could work if we held the wii-mote horizontal.

Online play and graphical update.

How much Smash Bros have you played? As an extremely experienced player, I can't imagine it working with the Wiimote sideways without being very dumbed down; 1 and 2 would be the special and normal attack, the lack of an analog stick means you can't differentiate between a slow and fast walk, and then we need buttons for grab, shield, and jump.

Praxis wrote:How much Smash Bros have you played? As an extremely experienced player, I can't imagine it working with the Wiimote sideways without being very dumbed down; 1 and 2 would be the special and normal attack, the lack of an analog stick means you can't differentiate between a slow and fast walk, and then we need buttons for grab, shield, and jump.

It could work if you incorporated the controller tilt as a modifier, though I don't know how effective or fun it would be.

Regular attack: 1
Directional (control stick tilt in Melee) attack: D-pad + 1
Smash attack: tilt controller + D-pad + 1

It wouldn't be intuitive, and it might even be difficult at times if you have to quickly switch from tilting the controller or not tilting it, but it might be possible.

Using the Nunchuk and the Remote would be more useful. Either way, it'd be a good idea to give some kind of support to those control styles to make the game more accessible.

But for a game like Smash Bros., the classical controllers will most likely be the best choice for the speed and precision players need for the game. These would clearly be the recommended controllers.

To be honest I don't even want to begin to guess how the controls are going to work. Next thing you I'll have my own version of how it works and then prepare myself and when I get the game I will be deeply confused. All I know is if the controls suck fanboys all across the globe will be PISSED.

The good news is that at this rate they'll soon run out of things we already know. Expect Pikachu and Kirby tomorrow.

I think the original statement that GameCube and Classic controller would be used makes the most sense.

Praxis wrote:I think the original statement that GameCube and Classic controller would be used makes the most sense.

It would be a godsend if they could allow me to use the DPad to move instead of the control stick. I find that little joystick control too messy for good play, and it ends up being way sloppier than I'd like. If they gave us DPad control as well it would make a huge step towards being a legitimate fighting game--which seems the direction they're going.

Covenant wrote:It would be a godsend if they could allow me to use the DPad to move instead of the control stick. I find that little joystick control too messy for good play, and it ends up being way sloppier than I'd like. If they gave us DPad control as well it would make a huge step towards being a legitimate fighting game--which seems the direction they're going.

How would that even work? The games use analog sensitivity not only to determine how fast you move but also what kind of attack you use and even (somewhat) what direction it goes in (such as a forward kick being slightly higher or lower depending on what direction the stick is held in). How would you differentiate between forward kick, dash kick, and smash kick? Between "throw boomerang" and "throw boomerang real hard?"

Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:

Covenant wrote:It would be a godsend if they could allow me to use the DPad to move instead of the control stick. I find that little joystick control too messy for good play, and it ends up being way sloppier than I'd like. If they gave us DPad control as well it would make a huge step towards being a legitimate fighting game--which seems the direction they're going.

How would that even work? The games use analog sensitivity not only to determine how fast you move but also what kind of attack you use and even (somewhat) what direction it goes in (such as a forward kick being slightly higher or lower depending on what direction the stick is held in). How would you differentiate between forward kick, dash kick, and smash kick? Between "throw boomerang" and "throw boomerang real hard?"

I didn't even know there were so many degrees of control; that's how fucking clumsy I am with that damn control stick.

New info today, an item called the "Gooey Bomb"

The Gooey Bomb is a bomb that adheres to most things. It's an explosive encased in a gummy goo.
It's a little different from a Motion Sensing Bomb in the sense that it can attach itself not only to the terrain, but also to opponents.



When you hit someone with it...



It sticks to them! Get... GET IT OFF!



Then it explodes! Oh, the horror!

However, it's possible to get a Gooey Bomb that's stuck to you to stick to someone else.
Touching someone as you pass by may very well cause it to migrate when you least expect it!

There were a few pictures of Mario and Wario passing off the device, and one of it exploding on Wario.

Sounds awesome to me. However, how long until the mindless fanboy brigade accuse them of ripping off Halo?

[size=0]Never mind that Halo was not the first game to have the concept of explosives that stick to people. As far back as Goldeneye, the mines in that game could be stuck to people if you were good enough.[/size]

skyman8081 wrote:Sounds awesome to me. However, how long until the mindless fanboy brigade accuse them of ripping off Halo?

[size=0]Never mind that Halo was not the first game to have the concept of explosives that stick to people. As far back as Goldeneye, the mines in that game could be stuck to people if you were good enough.[/size]

Yeah, that's the first thing I thought of as well: "stickies! Now with added gooey flavor!"

Gooey Bomb. Could be fun, I like the bomb-tag part of it. Do not throw at Fox if you're playing Bowser (assuming he's back), he'll return it. By the way, on GameFAQs the origin of this item may have been found.

Behold: Cho Aniki! Note the item these men are holding?
Comprare to the Gooey Bomb.

It does look like the same item, doesn't it? And considering that one of the confirmed musicians, Koji Hayama, made music for Cho Aniki it's actually possible. Although if a Cho Aniki stage makes into the game, it'll be the biggest Smash Bros. WTFs ever. It'd be funny as hell though, which is a good enough reason as any to include it.

skyman8081 wrote:Sounds awesome to me. However, how long until the mindless fanboy brigade accuse them of ripping off Halo?

Never mind that Halo was not the first game to have the concept of explosives that stick to people. As far back as Goldeneye, the mines in that game could be stuck to people if you were good enough.

Oh I agree. I've heard people claim Halo invented all sorts of things, not least the plasma grenade.

I'm just hoping SSB comes out before my console fossilises.

McNum wrote:Gooey Bomb. Could be fun, I like the bomb-tag part of it. Do not throw at Fox if you're playing Bowser (assuming he's back), he'll return it. By the way, on GameFAQs the origin of this item may have been found.

Behold: Cho Aniki! Note the item these men are holding?
Comprare to the Gooey Bomb.

It does look like the same item, doesn't it? And considering that one of the confirmed musicians, Koji Hayama, made music for Cho Aniki it's actually possible. Although if a Cho Aniki stage makes into the game, it'll be the biggest Smash Bros. WTFs ever. It'd be funny as hell though, which is a good enough reason as any to include it.

Possible, but in the game it's more like some weird blob that lets 2 characters fire together

Why?!

I remember seeing something about Cho Aniki on X-Play once, it was WTF at bare minimum.

Pit today, last update until Monday morning.

May 25 Fri. 2007

Pit


The protagonist in Kid Icarus. Pit's Sacred Bow of Palutena is actually two blades combined. He can separate them or unite them at will for use in battle.

The arrows Pit's bow unleashes shoot out like beams of light. Players can control the curves of their trajectories.

Hopefully he and Metaknight pan out with Link endurances but better speed.