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It's time for you to admit that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about, shut up, and leave the discussion about Blu-ray and HD-DVD to the people who know about it.

Number one, Sony's not forcing you to get anything at all. Believe it or not, you have the option to not buy a PlayStation 3. It's ****ing crazy! And don't even sit there high and mighty, acting like the only reason you won't get a PS3 is because Sony's forcing Blu-ray on you like a drunk girl at prom. Seriously, shut the **** up with that nonsense. You're a fanboy, through and through. Get over it and quit trying to hide it. It's not even worth the attempt with you.

Number two, you can watch Blu-ray at 720p/1080i over component cables. What a surprise! Yet another lie from Rogue Gamecube! I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that if you want HDMI 1.2 (yet another Microsoft cost-cutting maneuver in a model they charge more money for), you will have to pony up $479 USD + $199 USD for the HD-DVD player.

Number three, I find it beyond ironic that a crazy-ass, rabid Nintendo fanboy who thinks that there's more than two good games worth playing on the Nintendo Wii is going to sit there and tell me that there's only two good games on PS3. Stop smoking the crack and actually look, would you? As far as waiting until 2008, that argument applies to the Wii far more than it does the PS3. There are so many PS3-exclusive titles coming out this year that blow away the Wii lineup and is right up there with the 360's lineup. It's arguably better than the 360's lineup on paper. But of course, you wouldn't know that because you're a pathetic fanboy trying to justify your two Gamecubes duct-taped together with waggle wand features. How's that treating you in these long periods between good releases? You know that within two weeks, Rainbow Six: Vegas, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and The Darkness will be out on the PS3, right? Granted, two of those are on the Xbox 360 as well, but it's a whole lot more and a whole lot better than the Wii lineup that you so desperately defend.

Number four, I'm not even sure how I knew that you were going to spew Peter Moore's rhetoric about "choice" out of your anus. I mean, the instant I saw that you had posted in this thread, I knew from that instant that you would try that. You think Microsoft's giving you a choice? That's a shitty ****ing "choice", man. HD-DVD or nothing? You'll probably spew out more bullshit about "RAH RAH SONY MAKES YOU BUY BLU-RAY WITH EVERY PS3, PHIL HARRISON ATE A BABY, BLU-RAY ELECTED GEORGE BUSH". So the **** what? I knew that going in. It's not a problem for me. If there were actual "choice" on the Xbox 360, you'd get the option to buy a Blu-ray drive, too. The only choice you get is whether or not your system plays HD-DVD at all. And as far as HD-DVD players go, the Xbox 360 + HD-DVD is a shitty, shitty, and expensive choice. You can do way better than that in terms of HD-DVD players.

Number five, Blu-ray has more releases than HD-DVD. It's part of that whole "vastly more studios release Blu-ray titles than on HD-DVD" thing. Blu-ray's hardly useless.

Number six, if $200 is nothing, I want you to send me $200 right now. If you're so ****ing rich that you think $200 is nothing, that should be no problem for you. You keep acting like $600 is "WHOAMG EXPENSIVE", but somehow, $200 is nothing and spending $400 + $200 is a good deal. You're such a ****ing tool, it isn't funny, man.

You think I'm the only one who thinks this format war is practically over? The sales don't lie, dumbass. For someone who about came all over himself in the other thread about Wii support over the sales, you sure turned a hypocritical 180 there, man!

Number seven, I never said Blu-ray was mainstream yet. Stop saying that I said things I didn't. It makes you look more like a dumbass when you do it, as difficult as that is sometimes. I will say that although the format war is getting closer to near-total Blu-ray domination, it isn't over yet. When the desperate HD-DVD fire sales don't work and when titles like the Matrix Trilogies keep tanking on HD-DVD, you have got to be the stupidest person alive to believe that there's a future for HD-DVD. They are profiting over there in the Blu-ray camp. That's where the money is.

The Digital Bits wrote:HIGH-DEF MARKET SHARE - BRD VS HD-DVD SOFTWARE SALES (6/10/07 - Nielsen/VideoScan):

Week Ending 6/10
Blu-ray Disc: 66
HD-DVD: 34

Year to Date
Blu-ray Disc: 67
HD-DVD: 33

Since Inception
Blu-ray Disc: 59
HD-DVD: 41

Movie titles only (videogame titles not included) - Includes HD-DVD/DVD Combo Format

Max wrote:Aren't the systems pretty new though? That ratio could be from early adopters of the PS3 and not entirely indicative of what the trend will eventually be. I just feel like that whole post was his knee-jerk reaction...

Ace Pace wrote:

Max wrote:Aren't the systems pretty new though? That ratio could be from early adopters of the PS3 and not entirely indicative of what the trend will eventually be. I just feel like that whole post was his knee-jerk reaction...

It's from sales of Blu-ray movies, rather then drives.
The entire post was pretty much stupid and can be hacked apart easily, give Praxis a few hours to notice this joke of an anti-Wii post and he'll do it.

Max wrote:

Ace Pace wrote:

Max wrote:Aren't the systems pretty new though? That ratio could be from early adopters of the PS3 and not entirely indicative of what the trend will eventually be. I just feel like that whole post was his knee-jerk reaction...

It's from sales of Blu-ray movies, rather then drives.
The entire post was pretty much stupid and can be hacked apart easily, give Praxis a few hours to notice this joke of an anti-Wii post and he'll do it.

I'm sorry, I meant that the PS3 early adopters were the ones driving the BRD sales. I don't know anyone who owns an HD-DVD player or a BR player...aside from PS3 owners.

Max wrote:I can't figure out if this guy is just a raving BR/PS3 fanboy, or if he's right.

Are the format wars pretty much over? I figured that they were still too new to really determine that, regardless of the support.

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:I was inititally surprised that Blu-Ray surged ahead, but it makes sense in retrospect. ~100K units per month may not be very good for a new console, but it's a shitload for a player of a new video format, so that gives a much larger installed base of BD players. Still, the important thing is which one hits sub-$200 first, and especially which one hits sub-$100 first, and both of those will almost certainly be HD-DVD players. The question is whether BD will already have hit critical mass by then, and I don't know the answer to that. My gut says no, but that has a lot more to do with ill will toward Sony than rational analysis.

Praxis wrote:

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:I was inititally surprised that Blu-Ray surged ahead, but it makes sense in retrospect. ~100K units per month may not be very good for a new console, but it's a shitload for a player of a new video format, so that gives a much larger installed base of BD players. Still, the important thing is which one hits sub-$200 first, and especially which one hits sub-$100 first, and both of those will almost certainly be HD-DVD players. The question is whether BD will already have hit critical mass by then, and I don't know the answer to that. My gut says no, but that has a lot more to do with ill will toward Sony than rational analysis.

It shouldn't be, though; more people watch movies than play video games.

The fact that more PS3's have been sold than HD-DVD players basically shows that BOTH formats have gotten off to an abysmal start and Blu-ray is just doing a little less badly.

Darth Wong wrote:There's nothing like that to drive people to adopt either HD format. The leap from "no features" to menus and other fancy features was done already with DVD. The addition of digital surround sound was done already with DVD. The extra picture quality is totally academic unless you have a special TV. Hell, even if you do have an HDTV, will you really want to buy a special HD version of a movie unless you're a hardcore movie purist? Suppose your wife says she wants to take it upstairs and watch it on the little bedroom TV? Oops, that's a regular TV with a regular DVD player! Can't watch it there!

Yeah, I don't give a shit about either format.

The thing about the HD formats is that their backers want to believe it will be like DVD dethroning VHS all over again. However, when DVD took down VHS, you could see the difference in picture quality on any TV set, not just special high-priced bleeding-edge TV sets. You also got a shitload of new features, like menus and onscreen games and multiple soundtracks and 5.1 channel surround sound, all of which were impossible with VHS. Not to mention no longer having to rewind the damned tape: something that us old-timers will remember without fondness.

There's nothing like that to drive people to adopt either HD format. The leap from "no features" to menus and other fancy features was done already with DVD. The addition of digital surround sound was done already with DVD. The extra picture quality is totally academic unless you have a special TV. Hell, even if you do have an HDTV, will you really want to buy a special HD version of a movie unless you're a hardcore movie purist? Suppose your wife says she wants to take it upstairs and watch it on the little bedroom TV? Oops, that's a regular TV with a regular DVD player! Can't watch it there!

Dennis Toy wrote:Tell you the truth, Like yourself, i just don't see what's really supposed to be special about both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD anyway? Some would say it has 1080i with more resolution lines... BIG DEAL... what's wrong with DVD's definition anyway? Its the most clearest picture ever! It's movie theatre definition DAMMIT! What more can you ask for? It has 5.1 Surround, Movie Theatre quality! Menus, multiple languages and interactive content, Again what more can you ask for?