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Manhunt 2 banned in UK & Ireland

Posted: 2007-06-19 07:35pm
by Rye
Times
A video game that puts players in control of a psychopath who must sneak up on people and bludgeon them to death with axes and sledgehammers has been banned in Britain.

Manhunt 2 has become the only prohibited game in the country after the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) condemned its “unremitting bleakness” and encouragement of “casual sadism”.

It is only the second game to have been refused classification since regulation of video content became compulsory in 1984. The other, Carmageddon, was allowed to be sold after the maker agreed to make cuts to the most extreme scenes.

Manhunt 2 — created by Rockstar Games, the software developer responsible for Grand Theft Auto: Vice City — involves a deranged character who must escape from a mental asylum and find the people who put him there.

David Cooke, the director of the BBFC, said that the board preferred to ask for cuts rather than order an outright ban, but that was impossible in this case.

“Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in a game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing,” he said.

“There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed and encouraged.”

The game presented a range of unjustifiable risks to adults and children, he added.

The board said that the game was worse than its predecessor, Manhunt, because of the “sheer lack of alternative pleasures on offer”. Sue Clark, a spokeswoman for the board, said: “The only thing [the main character] does is go around and kill people extremely violently. When he gets out of the mental institution he [tries] to find out who he is, but that just involves killing more people.”

Anyone attempting to supply the game in Britain faces a jail sentence of six months and a fine of up to £20,000. It is not illegal to own, but imports can be seized at customs.

Online video game retailers contacted by The Times said that they would refuse to import the game even if it was legal to do so.

Rockstar, which is owned by Take 2 Interactive, an American company, said that it disputed the ruling but had not decided whether to appeal. “While we respect the authority of the classification board and will abide by the rules, we emphatically disagree with this particular decision.

“Manhunt 2 is an entertainment experience for fans of psychological thrillers and horror. The subject matter of this game is in line with other mainstream entertainment choices for adult consumers. The adult consumers who will play this game fully understand that it is fictional interactive entertainment and nothing more.”

The first Manhunt game was withdrawn by some retailers in July 2004 after the parents of a 14-year-old boy who was murdered with a claw hammer claimed that his killer was obsessed with the game. No link was proved, but studies have suggested a link between video game violence and aggressive behaviour in children.

A paper presented by Saint Leo University in Florida in 2005 suggested that children copied moves they saw in violent games, although no link has been made to killings.

Street legal

— Carmageddon, in which players are awarded points for running over pedestrians, was banned in Britain in 1997 but was given an 18 certificate after cuts were made

— Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was withdrawn and altered by Rockstar Games, after programmers found a hidden mini-game called Hot Coffee in which the main character has sex with his girlfriend

— Hooligans: Storm Over Europe required players to recruit a mob of football supporters before laying waste to town centres. It got an 18 certificate

— Postal 2, in which players are encouraged to commit violent acts as they go about mundane tasks such as buying milk, was given an 18 rating
Cool, they disapprove so I don't have to! :)

Posted: 2007-06-19 09:25pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
It also looks like the Wii version of Manhunt 2 has been rated Adults Only (AO) by the ESRB, which basically functions as a ban from pretty much every retail store in the US.

Posted: 2007-06-19 09:58pm
by Stark
Didn't Manhunt 1 suck anyway?

If it's banned in the UK and effectively banned in the US... erm... where ISN'T it banned?

Posted: 2007-06-19 10:10pm
by Masami von Weizegger
GameStop here have been advertising the Wii version of the game quite heavily, I wonder how they'll react.

Although British laws don't really apply here, I can easily us following suit seeing as the Oifig Scrudoir na Scannan's favoured method of rating things is to just bump everything up one notch from the BBFC's rating. Not always, but mostly.

Beyond that, there's not much to say. More bleating about ultra-violent games. It seems they should just slap it with an 18+ rating like they would if it was a movie showcasing the exact same actions.

Posted: 2007-06-19 11:13pm
by Covenant
Stark wrote:Didn't Manhunt 1 suck anyway?

If it's banned in the UK and effectively banned in the US... erm... where ISN'T it banned?
I really liked Manhunt 1, and I was expecting this from 2. It's basically banned everywhere, but I'm fairly certain there will be retailers online where I'll be able to get my fix. I got the computer version of Manhunt 1 anyway, so I amy be able to buy it in the computer section, where ultra-violence is only an isle away from Barney Teaches Typing.

Posted: 2007-06-20 12:02am
by Spanky The Dolphin
Stark wrote:If it's banned in the UK and effectively banned in the US... erm... where ISN'T it banned?
I think only the Wii version got slapped with an AO. For all I know, the version for other platforms are still M.

EDIT: No wait, it's AO across the board.

And I should correct myself of what I said above: The AO rating functions as an effective "ban" with most of the major retailers like Wal-Mart and Target and such. There will still be places you can probably get it pretty easy, and chains like GameStop will probably have a "behind the counter" policy or such.

Posted: 2007-06-20 12:06am
by DPDarkPrimus
I didn't know that Manhunt 2 was coming out for other platforms.

Posted: 2007-06-20 12:08am
by Spanky The Dolphin
It's slated for PS2 and PSP as well as the Wii.

Posted: 2007-06-20 03:47am
by weemadando
News.com.au article on the ban. I've posted two comments (the second may not be live yet) regarding the idiocy of the reactionary posters (those both pro- and anti- vidja game).

Posted: 2007-06-20 01:02pm
by Lord Pounder
This is the best advertising that MH2 could have hoped for. Personally speaking the fact that the conservatives hate it so much makes me want to buy it.

Posted: 2007-06-20 01:33pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Lord Pounder wrote:This is the best advertising that MH2 could have hoped for. Personally speaking the fact that the conservatives hate it so much makes me want to buy it.
Good luck with the whole buying it thing then.

Much as I didn't care for these games, I have to question the motive. There are slasher horror movies out there, like Hostek, that show just as graphic a death as any game, and yet these are not banned or blamed for murders (no more, at least).

It just sounds retarded. But then we get into the whole "I've played violent games all my life and I'm not an axe murderer or committing GTA daily" argument.

Posted: 2007-06-20 04:27pm
by Vendetta
Stark wrote:Didn't Manhunt 1 suck anyway?

If it's banned in the UK and effectively banned in the US... erm... where ISN'T it banned?
Manhunt 1 didn't entirely suck, but it wasn't anything special either, and it didn't set the charts alight...

Posted: 2007-06-20 05:41pm
by Connor MacLeod
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:This is the best advertising that MH2 could have hoped for. Personally speaking the fact that the conservatives hate it so much makes me want to buy it.
Good luck with the whole buying it thing then.

Much as I didn't care for these games, I have to question the motive. There are slasher horror movies out there, like Hostek, that show just as graphic a death as any game, and yet these are not banned or blamed for murders (no more, at least).

It just sounds retarded. But then we get into the whole "I've played violent games all my life and I'm not an axe murderer or committing GTA daily" argument.
Ah but you're not just watching it happen, you're being encouraged to make it happen. Just like airplane flight simulators encourage kamikaze terrorist attacks.

Posted: 2007-06-20 07:51pm
by Covenant
Connor MacLeod wrote:Ah but you're not just watching it happen, you're being encouraged to make it happen. Just like airplane flight simulators encourage kamikaze terrorist attacks.
I'm sorry to disagree, but I need to admit, after I played Manhunt 1 I did indeed go down to a bunch of bad neighborhoods and systematically murder groups of raving lunatics with nothing but my bare hands, some broken glass, and a pair of grocery bags.

Honestly, if Manhunt was a movie, it'd be barely a step above an Action Movie in terms of violence. You sure do kill people, kill 'em nice and dead, but the gore comes from the incredibly pathetic tools you have to do 'em with. Like the grocery bag. In Manhunt, you suffocate someone with the bag, and then need to drag their body off. Or you bash their head off with a bat, or cut it off completetely with a razorwire garrote. Obviously a lot of head trauma here we're talking about, but compare that to a variety of other games where you slice off limbs (like Rune) or can actually target innocent civilians (Grand Theft Auto) or kill people with a lot of nasty weaponry and hide their bodies in precisely the same manner (Nearly All Sneaker/Shooters) without the addition of decapatation?

Is it really to the point where you can rape a Minotaur to death as Kratos, blast the heads off of Spanish peasents in Resident Evil 4, burn entire families to ashes--including infants and children in the Sims and yet the game where it goes too far is the one where you kill them with a hammer?

Is the Hammer really that beyond the pale? Heh.

Posted: 2007-06-20 07:57pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Every time I play Super Mario, I have this horrible urge to go and eat 'shrooms while jumping on tortoises.

Posted: 2007-06-20 09:14pm
by Connor MacLeod
Don't forget pacman. And covenant, I was being sarcastic (I can't tell if you knew that.) :P

Posted: 2007-06-20 09:17pm
by Masami von Weizegger
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Every time I play Super Mario, I have this horrible urge to go and eat 'shrooms while jumping on tortoises.
Ah, so this was you then?

Here's a question. Whenever something like this happens, people always say that it just gives more publicity to the game and will thus increase sales. But is that really true?

As mentioned above, the original Manhunt didn't exactly blaze trails in the charts and the GTA series is so popular it would have hit number one anyway.

Posted: 2007-06-20 11:07pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Take Two's in pretty deep water with UK bans and AO ratings: but now looks like they'll have to deal with Nintendo and Sony's anti-AO-rated game policies:
Nintendo and Sony won't touch Manhunt 2 with AO rating

Posted Jun 20th 2007 5:55PM by Alexander Sliwinski

Forget retail and renting, if Manhunt 2 maintains its AO rating it won't even be allowed licence or playback on Nintendo's Wii or Sony's PlayStation. In Nintendo's own Nintendo Buyer's Guide the company clearly states, "Please note that Nintendo does not sell or license games that carry the ESRB rating 'AO' (Adults Only)." Joystiq also spoke with Sony spokesman Dave Karraker who stated, "Currently it's SCE's policy not to allow the playback of AO rated content on our systems." Manhunt 2 won't be available on Microsoft's consoles.

And that's the ballgame: Rockstar can either edit Manhunt 2 or -- given its current AO rating -- leave it as a game that can't easily be played or obtained on the PlayStation 2, PSP and Wii consoles. Given the options available to Rockstar, it looks like they'll have no choice but to edit the game or just end Manhunt 2's life and move on.

We asked Microsoft to comment on their AO policy, but they had not yet responded by the time of publication.

Update: Full statement from Nintendo regarding this story after the break.

Nintendo contacted Joystiq with a statement regarding this story saying, "Games made for Nintendo systems enjoy a broad variety of styles, genres and ratings. These are some of the reasons our Wii and Nintendo DS systems appeal to such a broad range of people. But as with books, television and movies, different content is meant for different audiences. That's why the ESRB provides ratings to help consumers understand the content of a game before they purchase it. As stated on Nintendo.com, Nintendo does not allow any AO-rated content on its systems."

Posted: 2007-06-20 11:32pm
by Arthur_Tuxedo
Who wants to bet they edit the game and then later release the AO version on PC for an inflated price and watch it sell like hotcakes?

Posted: 2007-06-21 04:08am
by weemadando
Or sell a de-regionalised image of it online for a small price that people can burn and play on the platform of their choice. Of course, they'll just need to register the sales site in somewhere the game isn't banned.

Posted: 2007-06-21 05:04pm
by Vendetta
Covenant wrote: Is it really to the point where you can rape a Minotaur to death as Kratos, blast the heads off of Spanish peasents in Resident Evil 4, burn entire families to ashes--including infants and children in the Sims and yet the game where it goes too far is the one where you kill them with a hammer?

Is the Hammer really that beyond the pale? Heh.
For the BBFC it very possibly is. One of the criteria for their ratings is "imitable technique", hammers and plastic bags are far more available than swords on chains and the like, so they'll garner a higher rating.