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Blu-ray: Yes to pr0n

Posted: 2007-07-31 07:29pm
by phongn
PC World wrote:Japanese Porn Industry Embraces Blu-Ray Disc
Japanese adult film makers have turned decisively to Blu-ray Disc, breathing new life into its bid to replace DVDs as the disc of choice for home movies.
Dan Nystedt and Martyn Williams, IDG News Service
Monday, July 30, 2007 06:00 AM PDT

The HD DVD high-definition movie format may have the lead in the U.S. porn industry, but Japanese adult film makers have turned decisively to Blu-ray Disc, breathing new life into its bid to replace DVDs as the disc of choice for home movies.

Sony Corp. has started offering more technical support to the adult film industry in Japan, movie makers said at the Adult Treasure Expo 2007 in Chiba, Japan, and the problem of finding companies to mass produce their movies appears to be over.

It's an important step for Blu-ray Disc. HD DVD has already won over the U.S. adult film industry through its lower costs and ease-of-use. People in the industry say they've received plenty of help from backers of the format, including Microsoft Corp. and Toshiba Corp. But Blu-ray is different. Sony and one of the biggest movie makers in the world, the Walt Disney Co., object to pornography, and Disney maintains a policy against having its own movies replicated by any company working with adult movie titles.

Until now, only a handful of companies operated the stampers needed to copy thousands of Blu-ray Disc movies at a time. But the Japanese company handling most of the early Blu-ray Disc adult film releases in Japan says it has partnered with a Taiwanese company able to secure the necessary equipment from Sony.

"In Japan, there are some problems. Companies cannot press Blu-ray discs because they cannot touch adult-related contracts," said Kiyotaka Konno, director of administration at Assist Corp., a Japanese company that authors and replicates DVDs for the adult industry in Japan. "So we asked some makers in Taiwan to do the work, and then we import the discs back to Japan. The Taiwanese company was able to obtain a pressing machine from Sony and will start mass production in August."

Sony says its policy of not allowing its disc replicating subsidiary, Sony DADC, to copy adult films has not changed. But the company is offering technical support to any film makers looking for help, no matter what industry, a spokeswoman said Monday.

The adoption of Blu-ray Disc by the Japanese porn industry could make all the difference in the format war. The adult film industry has long been a first mover in using new technologies, and many analysts say the industry played a key role in making VHS the winner in the video cassette fight against Sony's Betamax video tape standard years ago. Blu-ray Disc, also a Sony technology, is now vying with HD DVD to be the high-definition disc of choice in the 21st century.

Japan's adult film industry already has ten movies out on Blu-ray Disc (BD DVD), including "JK," "Sex Vacation in Guam" and "Eroist." More are on the way, said Yoshimasa Nozu, a producer at Total Media Agency Inc. His company plans to release at least one more movie per month on Blu-ray for the rest of this year.

By contrast, only one HD DVD adult film has been made in Japan so far, "Perfect Slave Rin," by Glay'z productions.

"HD DVD is popular overseas, but it faces a tough market in Japan," said Takeshi Kobayashi, head of operations at Taisei Co. Ltd., which distributes films under the trade name Glay'z in Japan. "Sony is really pushing the industry to adopt BD DVD."

Price is one issue. HD DVD movies sell for %6,090 (US$51.37) each in Japan, while BD DVD movies cost less, %4,935. The main difference is that every HD DVD comes with a DVD as well, so users who want to buy the new format but don't yet have an HD DVD player can watch the DVD until they buy a new player.

Sony's PlayStation 3 also presents a challenge for HD DVD. The game console comes with a built in BD DVD player, giving adult film producers an incentive to put their movies on Blu-ray. Japan has long been a stronghold for Sony in the game console arena, and despite stiff competition from Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s Wii, it has sold 4.3 million players worldwide. That puts at least the same number of Blu-ray Disc players in people's homes.

Microsoft, which is part of the HD DVD consortium, has tried to counter Blu-ray in game consoles by offering an add-on HD DVD player for the Xbox 360. But since the players aren't built in, users can opt to forego them, unlike PlayStation 3 users.

HD DVD does have an advantage in the cost of its stand-alone players. Toshiba Corp.'s HD-A2 costs just US$234.99 and comes with five free mainstream HD DVD movies, according to Amazon.com. A similar machine by Sony, the BDP-S300, costs US$499, the same as a PlayStation 3 with a 60G-byte hard drive. The two devices also include five free movies.

Several U.S. porn studios have also come out as strong supporters of HD DVD. Wicked Pictures released the first U.S. feature-length adult movie in HD DVD in January, "Camp Cuddly Pines: Powertool Massacre," while the first Blu-ray Disc title in the U.S., Vivid Entertainment Group's "Debbie Does Dallas...Again," didn't follow until nearly four months later.

Still, despite the head start, HD DVD isn't exactly taking the porn industry by storm. Several U.S. companies interviewed earlier this year have not made good on their plans to release titles in HD DVD, while Blu-ray Disc appears to be gaining ground with its new initiative to work with Japanese adult film makers. The result could be a shift in Blu-ray's favor. U.S. adult film makers said they would use whatever makes sense, and only favored HD DVD early on because the format is less expensive to make movies with and they received extensive help from HD DVD backers.

A friendlier face from the Blu-ray Disc camp appears to be working with Japan's porn industry. Perhaps it could work in the U.S. as well.

Re: Blu-ray: Yes to pr0n

Posted: 2007-07-31 11:31pm
by Xisiqomelir
onix wrote:Disney has never stated people can't release porn on a given format. What they've done is as part of the contract to support a format, they've insisted that porn cannot use the same replicators as the Disney titles.

That is how the original 'no porn on BluRay' FUD started. Initially, there was only one BD replication plant, so porn couldn't be made. Other plants opened up a long time ago.

It was all just format war FUD by HD DVD-bots.

Posted: 2007-08-01 10:50am
by SAMAS
Well that's it: Blu-Ray has officially won.

Posted: 2007-08-01 12:32pm
by Mobius
japanese pr0n: are the mosaic covering the genitalia in HD too then? :D

Posted: 2007-08-01 01:04pm
by Zixinus
japanese pr0n: are the mosaic covering the genitalia in HD too then? Very Happy
Why do they do that anyway? I mean, once we see the pants go down and see "da stick", we can easily figure out what's going on. Absurd censorship laws?

Posted: 2007-08-01 01:21pm
by Manus Celer Dei
Zixinus wrote:Why do they do that anyway? I mean, once we see the pants go down and see "da stick", we can easily figure out what's going on. Absurd censorship laws?
Pretty much, yeah. All genitals have to be censored by law, IIRC.

Posted: 2007-08-01 02:42pm
by RThurmont
In defense of Disney, I might point out that their manufacturing policy does make extreme sense in light of the fact that if, due to a freak manufacturing accident, pr0n DVDs wound up inside Bambi cases, the results could be catastrophic.

However, there was (and I believe still is) a bookstore at Downtown Disney at Disneyland that, in the year 2000, shortly after having opened, was selling, in a prominently visible position on the point of sale, a mini pocketbook edition of Sex For Dummies.

In addition to that, one cannot also help but feel that given the nature of a number of films made by Disney subsidiaries, like Miramax, that feature explicit sex scenes and nudity, this whole thing smacks of hypocrisy.

Posted: 2007-08-01 11:43pm
by ray245
SHH! Kids aren't suppose to know the connection between Miramax and Disney!

Posted: 2007-08-02 01:43am
by Darth Raptor
Zixinus wrote:Why do they do that anyway? I mean, once we see the pants go down and see "da stick", we can easily figure out what's going on. Absurd censorship laws?
While it may not seem like it on the surface, Japan is truly one of the most sexually repressed countries on the planet. The myriad bizarre paraphilias they've spawned are actually a symptom of that repression.

Posted: 2007-08-02 01:02pm
by LadyTevar
SAMAS wrote:Well that's it: Blu-Ray has officially won.
You beat me to it. :lol:

Posted: 2007-08-02 01:10pm
by General Zod
Darth Raptor wrote:
Zixinus wrote:Why do they do that anyway? I mean, once we see the pants go down and see "da stick", we can easily figure out what's going on. Absurd censorship laws?
While it may not seem like it on the surface, Japan is truly one of the most sexually repressed countries on the planet. The myriad bizarre paraphilias they've spawned are actually a symptom of that repression.
I seem to recall a poll awhile back on which nations citizens had sex the most. France was near the top, and Japan was one of the lowest. Telling, isn't it?

Posted: 2007-08-08 06:22pm
by Dominus Atheos
General Zod wrote:
Darth Raptor wrote:
Zixinus wrote:Why do they do that anyway? I mean, once we see the pants go down and see "da stick", we can easily figure out what's going on. Absurd censorship laws?
While it may not seem like it on the surface, Japan is truly one of the most sexually repressed countries on the planet. The myriad bizarre paraphilias they've spawned are actually a symptom of that repression.
I seem to recall a poll awhile back on which nations citizens had sex the most. France was near the top, and Japan was one of the lowest. Telling, isn't it?
Can I get a link to that?

Posted: 2007-08-08 08:13pm
by General Zod
Dominus Atheos wrote:
General Zod wrote:
Darth Raptor wrote: While it may not seem like it on the surface, Japan is truly one of the most sexually repressed countries on the planet. The myriad bizarre paraphilias they've spawned are actually a symptom of that repression.
I seem to recall a poll awhile back on which nations citizens had sex the most. France was near the top, and Japan was one of the lowest. Telling, isn't it?
Can I get a link to that?
I doubt that I could find it again. It was several months ago and I'm afraid I don't recall the exact name of the survey.

Posted: 2007-08-08 08:19pm
by Covenant
It also talked about satisfaction and the length of the encounter. Japan's sex scores were pretty rock bottom all around. I think the most satisfied were some Scandinavian country but I forget the details as well. The more open the society about sex though, the higher the scores seemed all-around. It would also be interesting to compare these numbers to a variety of other statistics, such as STDs and rape, to see among intelligent and industrialized countries, if there is any correleation between (gasp) acknowledging sex and not suffering negative consequences.

I think most of us would probably agree that the more education, in whatever format, the safer you are regarding sexual matters and the healthier the culture treats the act. But having the numbers there would make an interesting survey actually useful.

Posted: 2007-08-08 08:27pm
by chitoryu12
In defense of Disney, I might point out that their manufacturing policy does make extreme sense in light of the fact that if, due to a freak manufacturing accident, pr0n DVDs wound up inside Bambi cases, the results could be catastrophic.
That would be one hell of an accident, albiet unlikely. However, we all know it's never too early to do the birds and the bees talk. Or is that just me?

Posted: 2007-08-08 08:29pm
by Hobot
You're all probably thinking of the Durex global sex survey.

Posted: 2007-08-08 08:34pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
chitoryu12 wrote:
In defense of Disney, I might point out that their manufacturing policy does make extreme sense in light of the fact that if, due to a freak manufacturing accident, pr0n DVDs wound up inside Bambi cases, the results could be catastrophic.
That would be one hell of an accident, albiet unlikely.
It's happened. Not a porn DVD ending up in a Disney case, but definitely a porn disc in a non-porn case.

And I think once for a Madden Xbox game, too.

Posted: 2007-08-08 08:34pm
by Hobot
chitoryu12 wrote:That would be one hell of an accident, albiet unlikely.
Well they do sell millions upon millions of DVDs which would make it somewhat likely. Imagining the shitstorm that'd create, I don't blame them for covering their bases.
However, we all know it's never too early to do the birds and the bees talk. Or is that just me?
I don't know if you've ever seen hardcore pornography, but it is not a substitute for sex ed.

Posted: 2007-08-08 08:44pm
by chitoryu12
And I think once for a Madden Xbox game, too.
Far better use of the case, I would say.

Posted: 2007-08-08 08:51pm
by Dominus Atheos
Hobot wrote:You're all probably thinking of the Durex global sex survey.
Jesus christ, the Japanese have sex the least amount per year out of all the countries that took that survey, having it about half as often as the global average, and about 30 times less per year then the next lowest country. :wtf:

Well, at least the next time someone makes a thread asking "What the fuck is wrong with Japanese people?" (which happens about once a month) I can point to this survey and say "They're more repressed then a Catholic Schoolgirl."

Posted: 2007-08-08 09:27pm
by chitoryu12
I don't think they count fapping to hentai as a sex act in that poll. If they did, they would probably be at the top.

Posted: 2007-08-08 10:48pm
by Adrian Laguna
Darth Raptor wrote:
Zixinus wrote:Why do they do that anyway? I mean, once we see the pants go down and see "da stick", we can easily figure out what's going on. Absurd censorship laws?
While it may not seem like it on the surface, Japan is truly one of the most sexually repressed countries on the planet. The myriad bizarre paraphilias they've spawned are actually a symptom of that repression.
While that is probably true, the absurd censorship laws are the fault of the USA. In fact, I think they enshrined the dammed things in the goddammed constitution of all places. Ironically though, because of the same prudishness that lead to the stupid censorship laws there's a funny loophole. The Americans couldn't bring themselves to write "female genitalia" in the laws they were shoving down Japan's throat, what they actually forbid is pubic hair.

Japan used to have some pretty liberal attitudes about sex. They became more close minded when they started to ape the Europeans. Things became worse when the US occupied them.

Posted: 2007-08-09 12:38am
by Dominus Atheos
Adrian Laguna wrote:
Darth Raptor wrote:
Zixinus wrote:Why do they do that anyway? I mean, once we see the pants go down and see "da stick", we can easily figure out what's going on. Absurd censorship laws?
While it may not seem like it on the surface, Japan is truly one of the most sexually repressed countries on the planet. The myriad bizarre paraphilias they've spawned are actually a symptom of that repression.
While that is probably true, the absurd censorship laws are the fault of the USA. In fact, I think they enshrined the dammed things in the goddammed constitution of all places.
No. they didn't. The only thing I can find in the constitution about that is in article 21:
Constitution of Japan wrote:No censorship shall be maintained, nor shall the secrecy of any means of communication be violated.