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Posted: **2007-08-22 04:44am**

I'm bored again and want to try installing another linux, again. I've been thinking about ubuntu. Something simple and up to date. What I want to know is can I expect problems with my antique mode of connecting to the internet. Namely... ISDN!

I'd like to know before downloading and setting up my system that I have internet access and not just a useless lump of software. Computers today are really worthless without the net. Connection sharing with another computer via wireless would be a plus too. But ATM I would like to know it supports ISDN cards. I'm searching and looking as I write this so I might answer my own question anyway.

Posted: **2007-08-22 05:00am**

This may be of some interest. The page doesn't appear to have been updated since Hoary, so the software may not even work for your kernel version.

I suggest trying the Ubuntu boards, they'll be bale to help you better.

Posted: **2007-08-22 05:09am**

Unfortunately I think the only way to find out that is going to be to try it. Fortunately though, the Ubuntu install disk is also a LiveCD. Download (overnight I guess), burn, pop it in the drive and see if it can identify it.

ubuntuforums.org might be a good place to look as well.

Posted: **2007-08-22 04:08pm**

Well so much for trying that. Started complaining about kernel image at the first screen. I think the CD is scratched. Ah well another try tomorrow with a new disc.

Posted: **2007-08-27 04:39am**

It's installed but getting ISDN working is impossible. For me anyway. ioctl error or something when trying to dial with mISDN installed.

Posted: **2007-08-27 08:19am**

It may be useful to post the model of your modem, as well as error messages verbatim instead of a summary.

Wireless sharing w/ a computer w/ the modem will probably be a better/easier way to connect, since ISDN is fairly uncommon and the support base is smaller...

Posted: **2007-08-27 08:25am**

My computer is the one sharing wireless with others and because of physical limitations my computer will stay that way. And I dunno, it feels kinda pointless now, maybe I should have done that right when I first installed mISDN. Any work I am doing might be compromised at the core because I think some weird looking lines popped up when compiling it. Hard to tell now since I don't think it's an easy matter of uninstalling and reinstalling mISDN. I do feel like giving up.

Posted: **2007-08-27 10:51am**

Huh, why are you installing misdn from scratch? t seems like it already precompiled and you just need it from the repos- haven't used dialup on Linux for years, so I dunno how much Ubuntu has improved upon it when it comes to actually dialing out. Again, can't really help you at all if don't know your hardware, but if you're giving up eh. If you just want to play around w/ Ubuntu and don't want to dick around w/ this, just run it in a VMWare or Virtualbox you'll just be missing the flashy 3D stuff and that's it. Also, from what I've read, SuSE and Fedora do a better job w/ providing an ISDN GUI

Posted: **2007-08-27 11:23am**

See now I wasn't told any of this in any of the wikis and forums I looked at. All it said was something like ubuntu doesn't support dial-up. If it supports mISDN then well hell I dunno. I've been at this since friday or possibly thursday and today I am so bloody tired I think I'll goto bed now, it's 18:22 for reference.

I really did like how Ubuntu worked from the small experience I got with it but without the internet a computer is only worth so much these days.

P.S. Whats a repo?

Posted: **2007-08-27 11:36am**

Repo = site w/ precompiled packages that can be automagically downloaded. Use system->administration->synaptic package manager or type in 'sudo aptitude' to add/remove stuff available in the repositories.

Posted: **2007-08-27 01:09pm**

Suse and Fedora provide a better GUI in general, IMO. Ubuntu looks nice, but the lack of a powerful, centralized GUI control panel is a major stumbling block for many users...Suse and Mandriva stand out as providing centralized systems for controlling a lot of stuff that otherwise has to be done manually via the shell.

Posted: **2007-08-28 12:40am**

Okay I woke up an hour ago so almost 12 hours of sleep did it. I'll take a look at getting some better error reports when I get home from work.

Posted: **2007-08-28 10:10am**

Okay I went and did the whole thing over again. Here's me doing a make on mISDN as root:

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echo 1_1_5 > VERSION ; \

cp /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/Makefile.v2.6 /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/Makefile
export MINCLUDES=/home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/include ; export MISDNVERSION=1_1_5; make -C /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/build SUBDIRS=/home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN modules CONFIG_MISDN_DRV=m  CONFIG_MISDN_DSP=m  CONFIG_MISDN_HFCMULTI=m  CONFIG_MISDN_HFCPCI=m CONFIG_MISDN_HFCUSB=m CONFIG_MISDN_XHFC=m CONFIG_MISDN_HFCMINI=m CONFIG_MISDN_W6692=m CONFIG_MISDN_SPEEDFAX=m CONFIG_MISDN_AVM_FRITZ=m CONFIG_MISDN_NETJET=m CONFIG_MISDN_DEBUGTOOL=m   
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic'
  Building modules, stage 2.
  MODPOST 19 modules
WARNING: /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/netjetpci.o - Section mismatch: reference to .init.text:inittiger from .text between 'nj_probe' (at offset 0x2dbe) and 'nj_manager'
WARNING: /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/w6692pci.o - Section mismatch: reference to .init.text:setup_w6692 from .text between 'w6692_probe' (at offset 0x2547) and 'w6692_interrupt'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic'

Then a 'make install'

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echo 1_1_5 > VERSION ; \

cp /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/Makefile.v2.6 /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/Makefile
export MINCLUDES=/home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/include ; export MISDNVERSION=1_1_5; make -C /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/build SUBDIRS=/home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN modules CONFIG_MISDN_DRV=m  CONFIG_MISDN_DSP=m  CONFIG_MISDN_HFCMULTI=m  CONFIG_MISDN_HFCPCI=m CONFIG_MISDN_HFCUSB=m CONFIG_MISDN_XHFC=m CONFIG_MISDN_HFCMINI=m CONFIG_MISDN_W6692=m CONFIG_MISDN_SPEEDFAX=m CONFIG_MISDN_AVM_FRITZ=m CONFIG_MISDN_NETJET=m CONFIG_MISDN_DEBUGTOOL=m   
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic'
  Building modules, stage 2.
  MODPOST 19 modules
WARNING: /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/netjetpci.o - Section mismatch: reference to .init.text:inittiger from .text between 'nj_probe' (at offset 0x2dbe) and 'nj_manager'
WARNING: /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/w6692pci.o - Section mismatch: reference to .init.text:setup_w6692 from .text between 'w6692_probe' (at offset 0x2547) and 'w6692_interrupt'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic'
cd /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/build ; make INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/ SUBDIRS=/home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN modules_install 
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic'
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/avmfritz.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/hfcmulti.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/hfcpci.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/hfcsmini.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/hfcsusb.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/l3udss1.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/mISDN_capi.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/mISDN_core.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/mISDN_debugtool.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/mISDN_dsp.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/mISDN_dtmf.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/mISDN_isac.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/mISDN_l1.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/mISDN_l2.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/mISDN_x25dte.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/netjetpci.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/sedlfax.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/w6692pci.ko
  INSTALL /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/drivers/isdn/hardware/mISDN/xhfc.ko
  DEPMOD  2.6.20-15-generic
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic'
mkdir -p //usr/include/linux/
cp /home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/include/linux/*.h //usr/include/linux/
if [ -e //usr/include/linux/mISDNdsp.h ]; then rm -f //usr/include/linux/mISDNdsp.h; fi
mkdir -p //usr/sbin/
install -m755 misdn-init //usr/sbin/
if [ -d //etc/init.d ]; then \
                if [ -e //etc/init.d/misdn-init ]; then rm -rf //etc/init.d/misdn-init; fi; \
                ln -s //usr/sbin/misdn-init //etc/init.d/misdn-init; \
        fi
mkdir -p //etc/modprobe.d
cp mISDN.modprobe.d //etc/modprobe.d/mISDN
mkdir -p //etc/modules.d
cp mISDN.modprobe.d //etc/modules.d/mISDN
/sbin/depmod 
/sbin/update-modules
make -C config install
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/config'
install -D -m755 mISDN //usr/sbin/mISDN
for file in mISDN.conf.bnx.xsl mISDN.conf.hfcmulti.xsl mISDN.conf.inc.xsl mISDN.conf.l1oip.xsl mISDN.conf.mISDN_debugtool.xsl mISDN.conf.mISDN_dsp.xsl mISDN.conf.singlepci.xsl mISDN.conf.xsl; do install -D -m644 ${file} //usr/lib/mISDN/${file}; done
if [ -d //etc/init.d ]; then \
                if [ -e //etc/init.d/mISDN ]; then rm -rf //etc/init.d/mISDN; fi; \
                ln -s //usr/sbin/mISDN //etc/init.d/mISDN; \
        fi
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dennis/mISDN-1_1_5/config'

Then I start mISDN

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mISDN start

-- Loading mISDN modules --
>> /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install capi
>> /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install mISDN_core debug=0
>> /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install mISDN_l1 debug=0
>> /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install mISDN_l2 debug=0
>> /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install l3udss1 debug=0
>> /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install mISDN_capi
>> /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install hfcpci protocol=0x2 layermask=0xf
>> /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install mISDN_dsp debug=0 options=0
creating device node: /dev/mISDN

Then I try to dial using vwdial:
Trying to dial with new device:

wvdial

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--> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.56
--> Cannot open /dev/mISDN: Inappropriate ioctl for device
--> Cannot open /dev/mISDN: Inappropriate ioctl for device
--> Cannot open /dev/mISDN: Inappropriate ioctl for device

Any dialing gives these same errors.[/code]

Posted: **2007-08-28 03:10pm**

Hrm, what's your wvdial configuration?

I'm reasonably sure Ubuntu does not require installing MISDN, since I see the kernel modules lying around, so no compiling or whatever was needed since it's already included ,and the information indicating Ubuntu did not support dialup was wrong (perhaps valid if you say it does not support dialup via GUI).

Compile warnings happen all the time though so I don't think it's an error in the compile, probably wvdial (not using ISDN, not sure if you're even supposed to use wvdial, which is generally used for regular dialup- where'd you get instructions from? ). Try installing 'isdnutils' and it's depencies- might be a problem though if you don't have internet access, but you can manually download the debs here http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/utils/isdnutils . Then just install all of them using 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb'

Posted: **2007-08-28 03:22pm**

Yeah the irony of needing internet access to get access to the internet has not escape me

wvdial and pon using a script made in pppconfig all gave the same error however.

I'll try and download those and see what happens.

Posted: **2007-08-28 05:38pm**

Well that wasn't a stunning success no... I even reinstalled to have a clean base to start from.

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sudo dpkg -i *.deb
(Reading database ... 88262 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace capiutils 1:3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1 (using capiutils_3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement capiutils ...
Preparing to replace ipppd 1:3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1 (using ipppd_3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement ipppd ...
Preparing to replace isdnlog 1:3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1 (using isdnlog_3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement isdnlog ...
Preparing to replace isdnutils 1:3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1 (using isdnutils_3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement isdnutils ...
Preparing to replace isdnutils-base 1:3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1 (using isdnutils-base_3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement isdnutils-base ...
Preparing to replace isdnutils-xtools 1:3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1 (using isdnutils-xtools_3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement isdnutils-xtools ...
Preparing to replace isdnvboxclient 1:3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1 (using isdnvboxclient_3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement isdnvboxclient ...
Preparing to replace isdnvboxserver 1:3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1 (using isdnvboxserver_3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement isdnvboxserver ...
Preparing to replace libcapi20-3 1:3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1 (using libcapi20-3_3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libcapi20-3 ...
Preparing to replace libpcap0.8 0.9.5-1build1 (using libpcap0.8_0.9.5-1build1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libpcap0.8 ...
Preparing to replace pppdcapiplugin 1:3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1 (using pppdcapiplugin_3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement pppdcapiplugin ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of isdnlog:
 isdnlog depends on isdnlog-data (>= 1:3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1); however:
  Package isdnlog-data is not installed.
dpkg: error processing isdnlog (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of isdnutils:
 isdnutils depends on isdnlog; however:
  Package isdnlog is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing isdnutils (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Setting up isdnutils-base (3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1) ...
Note: running MAKEDEV to create ISDN devices in /dev...
udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/

Setting up isdnutils-xtools (3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1) ...

Setting up isdnvboxclient (3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of isdnvboxserver:
 isdnvboxserver depends on tcl8.3 (>= 8.3.5); however:
  Package tcl8.3 is not installed.
dpkg: error processing isdnvboxserver (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Setting up libcapi20-3 (3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1) ...

Setting up libpcap0.8 (0.9.5-1build1) ...

Setting up pppdcapiplugin (3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1) ...
Setting up capiutils (3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1) ...
Note: running MAKEDEV to create CAPI devices in /dev...
udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/

Setting up ipppd (3.10.20070306-0ubuntu1) ...
Note: running MAKEDEV to create ISDN devices in /dev...
udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/
 * Restarting ipppd...                                                   [ OK ] 

Errors were encountered while processing:
 isdnlog
 isdnutils
 isdnvboxserver

Posted: **2007-08-28 07:47pm**

You're just missing the dependencies, find isdnlog-data and tcl8.3 and isdnlog and install those , as well as the dependencies of those dependencies.

Yes, dependencies are a pain, these packages are meant to be used w/ an internet connection. You won't need to reinstall, just make sure you have dependencies and dependencies of those dependencies and so forth.

Posted: **2007-08-30 08:41am**

Bump?

Posted: **2007-08-30 10:22am**

Yeah didn't work and I did something I couldn't fix, tried to reinstall again after trying the whole day, CD had gotten the tiniest superficial scratch and the install was corrupted. This was my fifth CD, I do not know if it's the computer I am burning it from or the CD's are low quality of the data is somehow extra sensitive but I'm looking at other linuxes now instead.

Posted: **2007-08-30 02:02pm**

I had similar issues with my Sagem 800 modem when I first got Ubuntu. Had to go through loads of hoops to get that working, it really hates USB modems, or used to. Thankfully, Eagle USB worked and now I have a Wi-Fi router which was automatically detected anyway, far easier.

Posted: **2007-08-31 02:00am**

Yeah well I'm not eager to try with a new CD. It first took 3 CD's to get one that passed it's own error check, then it got a minute scratch from lying on the desk and error-error-error. The fifth disc I burned atleast worked again until the same thing happened, though I don't know how since I was more carefull with this one.

I even downloaded the ISO twice.

I'm getting something I can put on a DVD next time.

Posted: **2007-08-31 03:39am**

Ubuntu DVD images here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/release/

Posted: **2007-08-31 04:07am**

Do these contain additional packages and such then?

Posted: **2007-08-31 05:17am**

I believe so. However I don't know if the ISDN packages are in there. What you could do is use FTP to download repos to an external hard drive or something.

There seems to be http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/index.html , but it requires an existing linux installation w/ working internet. I suppose you can use a virtual machine or something.

Posted: **2007-08-31 05:40am**

I got the ISDN packages from before and their dependancies, all on the windows drive.

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