Homeworld might come back

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2007-11-07 12:45am

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And with that, a new spark of hope started to bring it's light to the world.

Zor

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2007-11-07 12:51am

BAH! sure it will... Right after "Duke Nuke'em Forever" comes out

SilverWingedSeraph · Post by **SilverWingedSeraph** » 2007-11-07 12:55am

Crossroads Inc. wrote:BAH! sure it will... Right after "Duke Nuke'em Forever" comes out

You've just assured its creation with that comment. Whenever someone says "X won't come out before Duke Nukem Forever", the opposite is always true.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2007-11-07 01:06am

Crossroads Inc. wrote:BAH! sure it will... Right after "Duke Nuke'em Forever" comes out

They said that about Team Fortress 2 and look where we are today.

Also it's "nukem", jesus.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2007-11-07 01:09am

Also, if there is to be a Homeworld 3, hopefully it isn't so dreadfully bare and minimalist as Homeworld 2 was. I'd prefer the biggest and baddest starships to have more than a few turrets.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2007-11-07 01:53am

Uraniun235 wrote:Also, if there is to be a Homeworld 3, hopefully it isn't so dreadfully bare and minimalist as Homeworld 2 was. I'd prefer the biggest and baddest starships to have more than a few turrets.

PDS, rite? With lots of armchair-admiral nonsense and total lack of explanation on how to play?

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2007-11-07 01:54am

This is good news, of course even if they intended to start development tomorrow I'm sure it will be several years before it reaches us.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2007-11-07 02:04am

phongn wrote:PDS, rite? With lots of armchair-admiral nonsense and total lack of explanation on how to play?

More like armchair-defense-secretary, am I rite?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2007-11-07 02:14am

Uraniun235 wrote: They said that about Team Fortress 2 and look where we are today.

Also it's "nukem", jesus.

If TF2 is what we are going to get, then Homeworld can stay dead.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2007-11-07 03:55am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote: They said that about Team Fortress 2 and look where we are today.

Also it's "nukem", jesus.
If TF2 is what we are going to get, then Homeworld can stay dead.

You don't mean that. At the least it's a new engine to mod the snot out of.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2007-11-07 05:27am

Uraniun235 wrote:
phongn wrote:PDS, rite? With lots of armchair-admiral nonsense and total lack of explanation on how to play?
More like armchair-defense-secretary, am I rite?

Honestly, I mentioned this before, but they would do well to release a sort of Homeworld: Battle Edition sort of thing like it.

We have several fairly fleshed-out factions and absolutely no fucking playability for anyone besides two sides per game. That's a travesty! They already have done nearly all the designwork necessary--gives us a multiplayer-optimized version that allows us to play as the Hiigarans, Taiidani, Beast, Kadeshi, Turanic Raiders, Vagyr and Bentusi. Booyah! Game.

As for story? C'mon, the Hiigarans have the fucking Sajuuk. We need a new hero. I say we follow the noble Bentusi from their violent warmongering era to their great shame at the battle against the Hiigarans. Lay the foundation for the game, flesh out several other great powers, and give us a fantastic multiplayer mode.

I always liked multiplayer HW, but there was never anyone on. I never could play enough people to really feel good at it, so occasionally someone (neph!) would do something I never heard of and it would suck.

RIPP_n_WIPE · Post by **RIPP_n_WIPE** » 2007-11-07 09:58am

Whoa whoa whoa, when did the Bentusi fight Hiigarans? Aren't they like fused to their ships (btw I never played HW1 and didn't finish HW2 because I ended up getting distracted by the star wars warlords mod.)

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2007-11-07 10:45am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote: They said that about Team Fortress 2 and look where we are today.

Also it's "nukem", jesus.
If TF2 is what we are going to get, then Homeworld can stay dead.

Well, I feel quite the opposite, so there.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2007-11-07 11:22am

The old proposed story for HW2 (sometimes called Homeworld: Empire) would work pretty well for HW3, actually.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2007-11-07 01:18pm

RIPP_n_WIPE wrote:Whoa whoa whoa, when did the Bentusi fight Hiigarans? Aren't they like fused to their ships (btw I never played HW1 and didn't finish HW2 because I ended up getting distracted by the star wars warlords mod.)

In the Long Ago Times(tm), the Hiigarans created the largest empire in their sector, crushing all smaller civilizations in wars of expansion. They decided to try their luck and take on the Bentusi to steal their Hyperspace Core. The Bentusi crushed them, and were the cause of the Hiigaran's original exile to Kharak.

Vanas · Post by **Vanas** » 2007-11-07 01:55pm

And whoever thought up that mind-blowingly retarded back story regarding the Magic Wonder-Engines™ is still one of my most disliked people. And also ,the term 'Hiigarans' bugs the hell out of me. Hiigara being the Kushan word for 'Home', we're now referring to them as Homies.

But yeah, I would pay good money for one that just had the extra sides in it. Bentusi would be a little silly, mind, but at least the T-Mat can put their place. That or one that's not as stupid as HW2.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2007-11-07 02:40pm

...THQ, eh? I approve wholeheartedly, especially given Relic's good working relationship with them. As for teh storyline...I'd say go with the groundwork laid in the pre-Cataclysm backstory. The stage was fairly well set for a future civil war, with the whole 'smaller Kiiths get eclipsed by the Big Boys' plotline. Take that a century in the future to its logical conclusion, have several rebel Kiiths break off, maybe use Somtaaw in its position as a formerly-marginal Kiith to occupy a somewhat Bentusi-style role as a sympathetic standoff faction.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-11-07 05:16pm

Nephtys wrote:In the Long Ago Times(tm), the Hiigarans created the largest empire in their sector, crushing all smaller civilizations in wars of expansion. They decided to try their luck and take on the Bentusi to steal their Hyperspace Core. The Bentusi crushed them, and were the cause of the Hiigaran's original exile to Kharak.

Ooooooh jesus, don't be talkin bout the 'we just made them up' hyperspace cores buddy. The HW2 story was *so retarded* it still gives me a headache to this day, almost as much as the 'the Vaygr (those guys who rock the galaxy even though nobody ever heard of them lol) who always have SLIGHTLY more ships than you' thing. Grrr.

As a normal person, I don't even care about the story so long as it doesn't make the earlier stories look stupid the way the HW2 one did. For instance, I have almost no idea what White Haven just said.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2007-11-07 05:34pm

Nephtys wrote:
RIPP_n_WIPE wrote:Whoa whoa whoa, when did the Bentusi fight Hiigarans? Aren't they like fused to their ships (btw I never played HW1 and didn't finish HW2 because I ended up getting distracted by the star wars warlords mod.)
In the Long Ago Times(tm), the Hiigarans created the largest empire in their sector, crushing all smaller civilizations in wars of expansion. They decided to try their luck and take on the Bentusi to steal their Hyperspace Core. The Bentusi crushed them, and were the cause of the Hiigaran's original exile to Kharak.

Wait, so the Bentusi lied in Homeworld 1 when they told you it was the Imperials who raped the Hiigarans and exiled them to Karak? But if it's the fucking Bentusi who exiled the Hiigarans, then why are the Imperials enforcing the exile? And why are the Bentusi suddenly all sympathetic? Winners guilt? Wait I know, "Well shit, the Hiigarans may have been assholes, but they're replacements are bigger assholes! Quick, backpedal at full speed or something!"

Vanas · Post by **Vanas** » 2007-11-07 05:38pm

Adrian Laguna wrote:Wait, so the Bentusi lied in Homeworld 1 when they told you it was the Imperials who raped the Hiigarans and exiled them to Karak? But if it's the fucking Bentusi who exiled the Hiigarans, then why are the Imperials enforcing the exile? And why are the Bentusi suddenly all sympathetic? Winners guilt? Wait I know, "Well shit, the Hiigarans may have been assholes, but they're replacements are bigger assholes! Quick, backpedal at full speed or something!"

I re-iterate: HW2's back story/storyline makes baby Jesus weep tears of blood over the stupidity of man. It takes everything that made HW1 any good and burns it in front of your eyes, laughing maniacally while stamping on a box of kittens.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2007-11-07 06:00pm

Adrian Laguna wrote:the Imperials who raped the Hiigarans and exiled them to Karak? But if it's the fucking Bentusi who exiled the Hiigarans, then why are the Imperials enforcing the exile? And why are the Bentusi suddenly all sympathetic? Winners guilt? Wait I know, "Well shit, the Hiigarans may have been assholes, but they're replacements are bigger assholes! Quick, backpedal at full speed or something!"

I wouldn't call it a lie. They told you the truth, from a certain point of view. *handwave*

Oh, and also, those warp cores? Yeah. They're God's three testicles. Don't mind the entire backstory to HW1 where they detail actually upscaling the damn thing. They Were Always and Shall Be.

The Bentusi were essentially the muscle of the UN at the time, and were still a militarized, aggressive group, and were the ones who confronted the Hiigarans about their overstepping of authority in regards to the Taiidani. The Hiigarans protested and fight back but the Bentusi eventually take them out via the Bentus. The Hiigaran fleet, shattered, is unable to defend Hiigara from the Imperials.

The Imperial invasion is 'legal' and not of the concern of the Big Alien Council, and so they take the opportunity to ruin the Hiigaran's shit and send them off into exile.

The Bentusi, realizing that while they upheld the rules of the day, had basically just done an incredibly Cheney-esque thing, decide to give up their weapons (and by definition, their responsibility to enforce these idiotic laws) and become nomads. Essentially, they bury their nukes and pull out of NATO.

So when the Kushan forces bump into the Bentusi, it was probably the Bentusi looking for them, and trying to lean as far in their favor as possible without outright just handing them Bentusi technology. It's sort of a way to make some right of the wrong they did, allowing Space Israel to invade Space Palestine to assuage their Bentusi egos. That's a pretty literal interpertation, what with Kadesh and such, it's a telling of Exodus in Space.

So you weren't far off.

I'd say that the story of HW1 is really a lot more consistant, but if we're going to consider HW2 to be canon (and I don't know how to avoid it) then we're stuck with the idea that the Bentusi were actually the engine of the Hiigaran's downfall, and that the Empire only finished them off and decided to put on the corpse.

So if that's the actual story, I think seeing it from the Bentusi's perspective might make things a bit clearer, and give us a chance to connect some of these dots a little less erratically. As it is, it's just confusing, since it pisses over HW1's story and really makes a big damn mess. I like the Vagyr artstyle, but you really can't make me feel the whole "grr mongol viking horde" thing if all you have are like... 1 or 2 more strikecraft and a handful more of absolutely fucking worthless frigates.

montypython · Post by **montypython** » 2007-11-07 06:00pm

The game engine is a potential goldmine, but I would like to see a SW capship game based on the engine ever more than a HW sequel per se.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2007-11-07 06:21pm

Alternatively HW3 could just ignore HW2 and take-off where Cataclysm left off.

HW:C is the best of the series, in my opinion.

In gameplay terms because your mothership a) moves, and b) kicks ass. I rarely left the Kuun-Lan at some end of the battlefield and send most of my fleet to the other end. Oh no, I had that mother charging straight into the enemy's teeth with the entire fleet. I also love that the Somtaw fleet is built to ass-rape fighter craft with its capital ships, while still being quite deadly to enemy capships. Multi-purpose missiles ftw!

Storywise, the Beast is just such an awesome adversary. Command and Intelligence acted like they were on the same ship, as the two actually talk to each other. The Captain of the Kuun-Lan is badass, especially when he fires the Siege Cannon, "Burn!". His best moment is when you fight the Bentusi and he manages to make them second guess themselves for the first time in who knows how many ages.

Plus, while the opening sequence showcasing the Mothership in HW1 is really cool, the opening sequence with a fucking battle in HW:C is pure awesome.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-11-07 06:25pm

I found Cataclysm far more difficult than HW1, though. I've never been very far into it.

loomer · Post by **loomer** » 2007-11-07 07:03pm

Could always play as the Taidaan Republic struggling to remain a galactic power after the fall of the Taidaan Imperium. That could be fun.