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PlayStation 'will reclaim lead'

Posted: 2008-05-07 03:36pm
by [R_H]
BBC
BBC wrote:PlayStation 3 will help Sony reclaim its position as the leading games console maker, the head of the firm's console division has said.

Speaking to BBC News, Kaz Hirai said the machine would overhaul rivals Nintendo and Microsoft within its 10-year lifecycle.

PlayStation 3 sales have outstripped those of Microsoft Xbox 360 in Europe but it lags behind in North America.

Nintendo's Wii console is the number one next-generation machine globally.

Mr Hirai said Sony was engaged in a "marathon" race with Nintendo and Microsoft.

More than 10.5 million PlayStation 3s were sold worldwide by the end of 2007. To date, in Europe more than five million PS3s have been sold.

Nintendo had shipped more than 25 million Wiis worldwide by April this year, while Microsoft reported 19 million 360s shipped by the same period.

Both firms have reported production supply problems in the past year.

Mr Hirai said: "We've only really begun to scratch the surface with PlayStation 3 but I am confident that given the long life-cycle we have planned for the machine we are going to have a very good install base in all of the major territories.

"I am very confident that after the 10-year lifecycle we will have the install base that we are looking for and that is obviously to be in the leadership position."

'Fuel growth'

Mr Hirai said Sony continued to look into the future development of consoles beyond the PlayStation 3.

He said that while new PlayStation hardware had been introduced five years into the lifecycle of the last two generations of machines, it was difficult to predict when a new PlayStation platform would emerge.

"It's very difficult to say at this point in time.

"We need to take a look at advances in technology in various areas, such as semiconductors, graphics chips, output devices, mainly TV and monitors, to see where we would like to benchmark our next generation product."

He said that Sony's investment in future console hardware technology remained important.

"And you can make the investments, for example, to the tune of the investments we made with previous consoles, because we look at this business as a 10-year lifecycle. We don't let our consoles go by the wayside after five years.

Network gaming

"By managing a portfolio of consoles that we have - PlayStation 2, PlayStation Portable and PlayStation 3 - we are able to look at the business in totality."

Mr Hirai said the company had begun investigation of pure network gaming, without the need for a dedicated console.

"It's something we would look at. We have had a lot of discussion internally about where the road map will take us.

"[With network gaming] we're also dependent on the network infrastructure available in all the territories we do business in.

"Some have faster broadband access than others. When you consider that content that plays on PlayStation 3 can go as high as 50GB it's going to be very difficult to deliver 50GB to consumers in some parts of the world in a timely fashion."

Because of the limitations, he said Blu-ray discs remained the "best and most efficient way to deliver content".

He said sales of PlayStation 3 would continue to be driven by games and by the line-up of titles this year.

"If you look at line-up coming out this year - Metal Gear Solid 4, Resistance 2, Motorstorm: Pacific Rift , Little Big Planet, there is a whole raft of titles between now and the end of the year which will really help fuel growth of the install base."

Mr Hirai described the launch of PlayStation 3 as "difficult" and affected by "teething problems".

'Some challenges'

"We had some challenges when we launched the PlayStation 3 in major territories. We were not able to supply North America and Japan with enough units.

"There was also some concern in the media and from customers about the lack of titles available at launch."

He added: "That situation has been remedied to the satisfaction of consumers. The software line-up is looking good for this year and certainly for the holiday period."

He said the technology inside the PlayStation 3 had been a steep learning curve for developers.

"I think they are beginning to embrace the technology and are able to express their creativity on the platform certainly more than they were able to at launch."

Posted: 2008-05-07 04:37pm
by Masami von Weizegger
Probably. The Wii is going to flounder more and more if it doesn't stop being the breeding ground of the most boring, trivial games known to man. The 360's doing fine too. We've seen it with the PS2, slow, ploundering start maligned by all but it'll pick up steam. Hell, it was the same with the PS1 and all of its Genesis ports, with all new loading screens!

Whatever, anyway. The market at the moment seems to be able to support all three so I don't give a fuck about this chapter of the console war. Even third place will mean big profits in the end and another next-gen console from all three, most likely.

Posted: 2008-05-07 04:47pm
by weemadando
Masami, Nintendo doesn't give a shit about you. There's approximately 100 non-gamer Wii purchasers for every gamer who picks up one. They're making a profit on the console and don't give a shit if they don't sell anything other than a WiiMote w/WiiPlay.

There's more fucking money to be had in selling it to people who won't ever walk into a game store again than in selling it to people like you.

Sure, you have Zelda, Mario, Smash Bros, Kart etc - but this is just fucking gravy on top of the roast. They don't fucking need them.

Posted: 2008-05-07 05:01pm
by Vendetta
Interestingly though, at least in the US the Wii has picked up in software attach rate as well. The last NPD software attach was 5.2 for the Wii, which was about where the PS2 sat throughout it's life.

The Wii has definitely claimed the comfy chair for this round of the console war, and I doubt Sony or Microsoft are getting it out even with a crowbar.

Sony's lack of success in the English speaking world or Japan means they've got a lot of work to do still. They've outsold Microsoft in Europe as a whole, but the 360 still has the lead in the UK, and has managed to hang on even with the GT5 and GTA4 bundles (There were more copies of GTA4 sold on the 360 than the PS3 in the first week in the UK).

Japan is dismal for the PS3, but Sony are happy there because everyone loves them some Monster Hunter, and every bugger's already got a DS, so PSP sales have picked up and are dominating hardware. MH3 is Wii bound though, so that might all come crashing down.

Posted: 2008-05-07 05:20pm
by Master of Ossus
Masami von Weizegger wrote:Probably. The Wii is going to flounder more and more if it doesn't stop being the breeding ground of the most boring, trivial games known to man. The 360's doing fine too. We've seen it with the PS2, slow, ploundering start maligned by all but it'll pick up steam. Hell, it was the same with the PS1 and all of its Genesis ports, with all new loading screens!

Whatever, anyway. The market at the moment seems to be able to support all three so I don't give a fuck about this chapter of the console war. Even third place will mean big profits in the end and another next-gen console from all three, most likely.
I really hope that Microsoft or Sony has to exit the market after this round, but I doubt that that'll happen. It annoys me that there are exclusive games for so many consoles, and especially since the 360 and PS3 are essentially indistinguishable in terms of the type of content they offer. The Wii has, essentially, locked up Japan to the point where Japanese software companies shouldn't even consider beginning new games for any other home console, so Nintendo's sticking around in the market for sure. And that leaves the two "HD" consoles in the bout for last place.

Posted: 2008-05-07 05:42pm
by Ghost Rider
It's nice to see that Sony is of the mind "Now that we are down here...we can only go up!"

Sorry, everytime I hear someone bring up "But PS2 had a shitty start!!!". Strange, they also had literally most of the 3rd party companies backing them, thus they will eventually catch up with game library. With the PS3? Not so much even with GTAIV being a part of their library. Oh wait...the Xbox is apparently selling them 2 to 1 in that department. Unless we MGS4 making an impact on the level of Halo...it is not happening.

As for the Wii front? Sorry, this is the biggest thing for Nintendo since cornering the fucking handheld market.

Posted: 2008-05-07 05:48pm
by Praxis
I predicted the PS3 would pass the 360 a few months back. It's happened in Europe, it has always been like that in Japan...and they're steadily catching up in the US.

Sony's going to beat MS IMHO. But it's going to be much closer than last time.
Master of Ossus wrote: I really hope that Microsoft or Sony has to exit the market after this round, but I doubt that that'll happen.
I dunno, if the 360 ends up in last place...nearly a decade of losses and nothing to show for it might convince Microsoft to just make XBox into a multimedia center and drop out of gaming.

Posted: 2008-05-07 07:12pm
by Stark
As at the moment, I don't see any reason to buy a 360 over a PS3 except social reasons. I've been considering ditching my flaky, noisy 360 for a PS3 for a few weeks; there are no 360 exclusives I care about ever, and all the past 360 exclusives turned out to be shit. At least in AU PS3 is cheaper and more reliable, and has all the same big games. PS3 also seems to have less region-coding on important games, which is a plus for us 'let's get raped by the most mismanaged release of a major title' land.

I know plenty of people with a 360 however, so I probably won't buy a PS3 for some months yet.

Posted: 2008-05-07 07:19pm
by Hotfoot
Sony needs to pick up the pace damn quick to catch up to Microsoft. With Killzone 2 and Little Big Planet being pushed back to '09, they're in danger of losing their momentum. MGS4 looks good, but one game does not a console make. Rock Band and GTA4 show very clearly how sales are going for the PS3, and the answer is not well. The Blu-Ray bump doesn't seem to have lifted them up as much as they hoped, and the fact that they are still the most expensive console going into a recession does not help matters.

Frankly, I want Sony in third place this time. I want them to learn that being on top does not write them blank checks to do what the fuck they want. They need to respect their customers, and their launch and press reeked of hubris and a sense that they were somehow entitled to success.

Now, as far as the Wii, frankly, I'm massively disappointed by the selection of games for it so far. So very few of them seem to take advantage of the gigantic defining difference it has over the 360 or PS3. In fact, most of the games that have come out for it seem to be shit, with a few shining stars that almost make it worthwhile by my (admittedly odd) standards.

And let's look at a rather disturbing statistic: SSBB Sold, what, maybe a combined total of 3m copies for its first week releases worldwide? GTA4 sold 6m copies in its first week, and 3.6 the first DAY. How badly have the 360 and PS3 been trounced in console sales by the Wii? Yet this happens. Sure, Nintendo makes money on every console sold, fantastic. They can sit pretty on someone buying a Wii and one game and never buying from them again. If someone feels happy spending $300 on Wii Sports and nothing else, wonderful. That means shit to me and shit to the gaming industry, other than that some people are damn easy to please. How is it that the biggest selling game on the biggest selling console is so easily overtaken by the consoles that supposedly have been soundly beaten this time around? Is it that GTA4 is THAT good? Don't get me wrong, I love it, but it's not the second coming.

Does anyone really think that the Wii 2 (or whatever Nintendo calls its next system) will be able to get by like this? As much as people like to bring up the fact that Nintendo makes money just through console sales, they still make MORE money on game sales, and without the games, people won't buy the next one, because the one they've got works just fine. There's only so much you can refine motion sensitive controllers, after all.

Nintendo needs to get over its phenomenal initial success and start churning out good games. Really good games. Lots of games that take advantage of the Wii-mote. The DS did this right quick and in a hurry with the touch screen, why hasn't the Wii?

PS- I'm watching you, Force Unleashed, Wii Version

Posted: 2008-05-07 07:23pm
by DPDarkPrimus
Masami von Weizegger wrote:Probably. The Wii is going to flounder more and more if it doesn't stop being the breeding ground of the most boring, trivial games known to man.
The PS2 was the best-selling console of last generation, and plenty of people bought one for just one or two games.

The majority of people buying a Wii is getting it for Wii Sports and maybe Mario and perhaps some shovelware for their kids.

I don't know how you can say "The Wii is going to flounder more and more" when it still sells out in a matter of hours. It hasn't even begun to start to decrease in popularity.

Posted: 2008-05-07 07:25pm
by Stark
Hotfoot wrote: Now, as far as the Wii, frankly, I'm massively disappointed by the selection of games for it so far. So very few of them seem to take advantage of the gigantic defining difference it has over the 360 or PS3. In fact, most of the games that have come out for it seem to be shit, with a few shining stars that almost make it worthwhile by my (admittedly odd) standards.

And let's look at a rather disturbing statistic: SSBB Sold, what, maybe a combined total of 3m copies for its first week releases worldwide? GTA4 sold 6m copies in its first week, and 3.6 the first DAY. How badly have the 360 and PS3 been trounced in console sales by the Wii? Yet this happens. Sure, Nintendo makes money on every console sold, fantastic. They can sit pretty on someone buying a Wii and one game and never buying from them again. If someone feels happy spending $300 on Wii Sports and nothing else, wonderful. That means shit to me and shit to the gaming industry, other than that some people are damn easy to please. How is it that the biggest selling game on the biggest selling console is so easily overtaken by the consoles that supposedly have been soundly beaten this time around? Is it that GTA4 is THAT good? Don't get me wrong, I love it, but it's not the second coming.

Does anyone really think that the Wii 2 (or whatever Nintendo calls its next system) will be able to get by like this? As much as people like to bring up the fact that Nintendo makes money just through console sales, they still make MORE money on game sales, and without the games, people won't buy the next one, because the one they've got works just fine. There's only so much you can refine motion sensitive controllers, after all.

Nintendo needs to get over its phenomenal initial success and start churning out good games. Really good games. Lots of games that take advantage of the Wii-mote. The DS did this right quick and in a hurry with the touch screen, why hasn't the Wii?

PS- I'm watching you, Force Unleashed, Wii Version
My attitude is similar. I've used my Wii for perhaps a week at a time, maybe three times since I got it. The combination of laughable hardware (I mean, $10 would have fixed the damn console's texture memory bottleneck) and really uninspired games isn't a good one. The first year being so heavily GC hasty ports didn't help, but still nobody is really making great Wii-specific games. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'd pay for a 'WiiBoxing' game that was just a more polished, flexible, and full-featured version of the boxing in WiiSport. It's lame that WiiSport showed so many ideas that worked, and none of them ever went anywhere, developers preferring terrible ports and poor use of the controller.

Basically, if the Wii hadn't tapped a new market (old people, non gamers etc), I think it'd be totally fucked. I think the idea was a good one, but the games they're churning out are just balls.

Posted: 2008-05-07 07:33pm
by Archaic`
Stark wrote:Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'd pay for a 'WiiBoxing' game that was just a more polished, flexible, and full-featured version of the boxing in WiiSport.
Wait for E3. Apparently, we're going to see an announcement for a new "Punch Out".

As I see it, the real issue right now isn't Nintendo, it's the 3rd parties. Just like with the stylus, the 3rd parties don't seem to have quite got their heads around things. Frankly, Nintendo should consider dipping into that warchest, and offering those 3rd parties dedicated support on how to use the Wiimote most effectively in their games, to the point of having dedicated staff on location at every major 3rd party development studio.

Posted: 2008-05-07 07:42pm
by Stark
That's great, but they could have spun WiiSport into 2-3 full-spec sport games A YEAR AGO. They were too busy making the worst Pokemon Stadium ever, apparently. :)

Posted: 2008-05-07 07:57pm
by Master of Ossus
Hotfoot wrote:Now, as far as the Wii, frankly, I'm massively disappointed by the selection of games for it so far. So very few of them seem to take advantage of the gigantic defining difference it has over the 360 or PS3. In fact, most of the games that have come out for it seem to be shit, with a few shining stars that almost make it worthwhile by my (admittedly odd) standards.

And let's look at a rather disturbing statistic: SSBB Sold, what, maybe a combined total of 3m copies for its first week releases worldwide? GTA4 sold 6m copies in its first week, and 3.6 the first DAY. How badly have the 360 and PS3 been trounced in console sales by the Wii? Yet this happens. Sure, Nintendo makes money on every console sold, fantastic. They can sit pretty on someone buying a Wii and one game and never buying from them again. If someone feels happy spending $300 on Wii Sports and nothing else, wonderful. That means shit to me and shit to the gaming industry, other than that some people are damn easy to please. How is it that the biggest selling game on the biggest selling console is so easily overtaken by the consoles that supposedly have been soundly beaten this time around? Is it that GTA4 is THAT good? Don't get me wrong, I love it, but it's not the second coming.
GTA is a HUGE franchise--well bigger even than SSB, and targeted both consoles for which gamers are desperate for material. GTA was, basically, Sony's Halo.
Does anyone really think that the Wii 2 (or whatever Nintendo calls its next system) will be able to get by like this? As much as people like to bring up the fact that Nintendo makes money just through console sales, they still make MORE money on game sales, and without the games, people won't buy the next one, because the one they've got works just fine. There's only so much you can refine motion sensitive controllers, after all.
But Nintendo is cranking out games, and its attachment rate is currently higher than PS3's, even without counting Wii Sports. What does Sony have, this generation, that competes with SSBB, Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Wii Fit, Metroid Prime, Zelda, and No More Heroes? There are good games on the Wii. Third parties are having trouble adapting themselves to the Wii's business model, because unlike Microsoft and Sony (who they're, mostly, used to dealing with) Nintendo doesn't hand developers tens of millions of dollars just for promising to make a game. The stuff we're seeing on the Wii, now, was largely rushed development after it became clear that Nintendo would win. I'm pretty confident that more good games will be coming, especially since the developers are probably ticked that their large development budgets for PS3 and 360 games have such small markets, now, in comparison--particularly given the higher costs of software development for those machines.

Posted: 2008-05-07 08:02pm
by weemadando
Stark wrote:As at the moment, I don't see any reason to buy a 360 over a PS3 except social reasons. I've been considering ditching my flaky, noisy 360 for a PS3 for a few weeks; there are no 360 exclusives I care about ever, and all the past 360 exclusives turned out to be shit. At least in AU PS3 is cheaper and more reliable, and has all the same big games. PS3 also seems to have less region-coding on important games, which is a plus for us 'let's get raped by the most mismanaged release of a major title' land.

I know plenty of people with a 360 however, so I probably won't buy a PS3 for some months yet.
I had the choice of 360 or PS3 as to what to purchase. For me it came down to two things:

Who do I know in Australia that owns a PS3 so I can play online with them? No one? OK. So that's 1 black mark against it.

I don't own a PS2, but still want to be able to finally play a lot of games that people have been raving about and I really missed out own (read: Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War 1&2 etc). So having the backwards compatibility would be nice. Oh, wait, that's being cut from the Australian release? Well, that's one less reason to buy it at the moment, I'd be better of just buying a 360 and a 2nd hand PS2 as there aren't any PS3 exclusives that I'm really interested in at the moment.

I would DEFINITELY have gone for the PS3 if Australia hadn't been fucked about by Sony so much in this generation and the previous one. So much for their promise of "worldwide simultaneous release" and even more so thei promise of "absolutely EVERYTHING will be region free".

PS3 lost out for me initially due to the fact that they took any goodwill which existed for me in their direction and fucking smashed it. That and the complete and utter lack of any form of PS3 support amongst any of the gaming circles I ran in.

Posted: 2008-05-07 08:06pm
by Stark
Yeah, the social thing is the only thing holding me back, but it's worth looking at region-free games. PS3 has many more region-free big name games (just to toss one out there, Rock Band) so you are immune to both AU pricing and wait times. Almost everyone I know with a PS3 has had Rock Band for ages, and it won't be out here 'properly' for months, if ever.

Posted: 2008-05-07 08:21pm
by Vendetta
Stark wrote:Yeah, the social thing is the only thing holding me back, but it's worth looking at region-free games. PS3 has many more region-free big name games (just to toss one out there, Rock Band) so you are immune to both AU pricing and wait times. Almost everyone I know with a PS3 has had Rock Band for ages, and it won't be out here 'properly' for months, if ever.
Though that will come back to bite them unless they also sign up for the US PS Store, because although the games are region free, DLC is not, and Rock Band in particular is pumping the DLC model for all it's worth.

Posted: 2008-05-07 08:25pm
by Stark
Since they already have DLC that works, this is clearly not a significant problem.

Posted: 2008-05-07 09:28pm
by Qwerty 42
The Wii's in the midst of a fairly successful "harcore" games blitz. In the year between September 07 and September 08, we'll have seen Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros., Mario Kart, Blast Works, Rock Band, and Tales of Symphonia. That's a pretty huge lineup.

Posted: 2008-05-07 09:53pm
by The Yosemite Bear
my parents and my GRANDPARENTS own Wii's :shock:

which in one sense disturbs me...

Posted: 2008-05-08 04:33am
by atg
Hotfoot wrote:And let's look at a rather disturbing statistic: SSBB Sold, what, maybe a combined total of 3m copies for its first week releases worldwide? GTA4 sold 6m copies in its first week, and 3.6 the first DAY.
Unless I'm missing something, SSBB hasn't been released yet in Europe/Australia, so it hasn't been a worldwide release.
Needless to say 3.6m first day for GTAIV is impressive.

Posted: 2008-05-08 04:39am
by The Grim Squeaker
atg wrote:
Hotfoot wrote:And let's look at a rather disturbing statistic: SSBB Sold, what, maybe a combined total of 3m copies for its first week releases worldwide? GTA4 sold 6m copies in its first week, and 3.6 the first DAY.
Unless I'm missing something, SSBB hasn't been released yet in Europe/Australia, so it hasn't been a worldwide release.
Needless to say 3.6m first day for GTAIV is impressive.
There is also the massive difference in devlopmnet costs. I'm not sure what SSBB cost to make, but GTAIV is apparently the most expensive game ever at about 101 million USD.

Posted: 2008-05-08 02:22pm
by Admiral Valdemar
I got a PS3 last week purely because it's cheaper than going the gaming PC option, less hassle and GTA IV and MGS4 are two games that aren't a million years away and are truly worth me getting a console for again. I had considered the Wii, but frankly, the choice of games sucks. Unless Mario and Zelda are all you want to place, and endless franchise tie-ins and gimmick games.

So for serious gaming, I hope the PS3 pulls through, despite my loathing for it a year ago. The price drop helped, certainly.

And holy shit on the GTA IV development costs!

Posted: 2008-05-08 02:46pm
by Ritterin Sophia
Despite the problems I've had with it, I'm probably sticking to Xbox 360.

Of the PS3's Exclusive Library I can only say that DC Universe, Disgaea 3, Eye of Judgement, God of War III, inFamous, and White Knight Chronicles interest me. Compare that with Ace Combat 6, Bullet Witch, Crackdown, Fable 2, Gears of War, Gears of War 2, Halo 3, Halo Chronicles, Halo Wars, Love Football, Mass Effect, Mobile Ops The One Year War, Operation Darkness, Overlord, Project Sylpheed, Saints Row, Star Trek: Legacy, and Too Human on the 360.

Posted: 2008-05-08 04:59pm
by Stark
Bullet Witch? Are you serious? ST:L? If I sold my 360 the only game I'd miss would be Gizzawar2. I believe Prototype is multi-platform, and it's just 'Crackdown but not shit'.

Sadly, I'll probably end up not bothing to sell my 360, and will once again own every console. This makes me sad.