Dawn of War II: The Tyranids are in

Feil · Post by **Feil** » 2008-08-19 01:34pm

http://pc.ign.com/articles/900/900039p1.html

Happy happy happy happy happy happy!

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2008-08-19 02:01pm

Me thinks the Hive Tyrant doth smote too much

Uh, I think some Titans are needed? Bigger Astartes indeed.....

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-08-19 02:05pm

Dartzap wrote:Me thinks the Hive Tyrant doth smote too much

All together now!

"He's behind you!"

Feil · Post by **Feil** » 2008-08-19 02:21pm

Dartzap wrote:Me thinks the Hive Tyrant doth smote too much

Uh, I think some Titans are needed? Bigger Astartes indeed.....

That's a Carnifex, not a Hive Tyrant. The Hive Tyrant is bigger.

Fortunately, even regular sized Astartes can carry lascannons

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-08-19 02:58pm

New (slightly longer) version of the CG trailer

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2008-08-19 03:08pm

Sigh. From the blurb below that video, 'The Zerg of the 40k battlefield.' Knew that spectre of raving ignorance would pop up in reference to Dawn of War Tyranids.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-08-19 03:22pm

Well, the Zerg were almost entirely ripp... inspired by the Tyranids, so using a term that the target audience will get is probably to be expected.

Vanas · Post by **Vanas** » 2008-08-19 04:12pm

Eh. Good? Um. Never really seen the appeal myself, but I guess it's time to stock up on Assault Cannons and assorted dakka.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2008-08-19 04:56pm

good lord is that a beautiful game.

Darmalus · Post by **Darmalus** » 2008-08-19 05:02pm

White Haven wrote:Sigh. From the blurb below that video, 'The Zerg of the 40k battlefield.' Knew that spectre of raving ignorance would pop up in reference to Dawn of War Tyranids.

IGN wrote:If you're unfamiliar with 40K, the Tyranids are totally alien, unfeeling hive-mind creatures manipulated on a genetic level by their queen. The Zerg of the 40K battlefield.

As far as I understand, WH40K is massively less well known compared to Starcraft, so it seems like a valid way to explain things to me.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2008-08-19 05:42pm

Darmalus wrote:
White Haven wrote:Sigh. From the blurb below that video, 'The Zerg of the 40k battlefield.' Knew that spectre of raving ignorance would pop up in reference to Dawn of War Tyranids.

IGN wrote:If you're unfamiliar with 40K, the Tyranids are totally alien, unfeeling hive-mind creatures manipulated on a genetic level by their queen. The Zerg of the 40K battlefield.
As far as I understand, WH40K is massively less well known compared to Starcraft, so it seems like a valid way to explain things to me.

I think its entirely fair to say that both ripped off Starship Troopers(and no I'm not thinking of the movie)

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2008-08-19 05:53pm

Anarchist Bunny wrote:
Darmalus wrote:
White Haven wrote:Sigh. From the blurb below that video, 'The Zerg of the 40k battlefield.' Knew that spectre of raving ignorance would pop up in reference to Dawn of War Tyranids.

IGN wrote:If you're unfamiliar with 40K, the Tyranids are totally alien, unfeeling hive-mind creatures manipulated on a genetic level by their queen. The Zerg of the 40K battlefield.
As far as I understand, WH40K is massively less well known compared to Starcraft, so it seems like a valid way to explain things to me.
I think its entirely fair to say that both ripped off Starship Troopers(and no I'm not thinking of the movie)

Yes, you are. In the novel the Bugs used tech just like the humans did. The whole "creepy crawly kill with limbs and evolved weapons" bit has nothing to do with the novel.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » 2008-08-19 06:36pm

Comparing the Nids to either the Bugs in either Heinlein's novel or Verhoeven's film is bankrupt. Comparing the Nids to the Zerg is bankrupt as well, because the Zerg are a poor imitiation of the menace beyond spaaaace.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2008-08-19 07:23pm

Article mentions you can change the behavior and tactics of your weaker swarm units with the kind of stronger, specialist synapse creature you have nearby. This sounds very interesting.

Feil · Post by **Feil** » 2008-08-19 10:35pm

Video of 'nids ingame.

Block · Post by **Block** » 2008-08-20 12:04am

The game looks very pretty, but I'm not really seeing why the Tyranids are such a great thing. I'm almost certain most people who have been clamoring for them are going to be very unhappy with how they're implimented in multiplayer, which is apparently the only plave you can use them.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-08-20 12:31am

I'd play Dawn of War II over Starcraft II anytime. The game looks great.

Not to mention, Starcraft does things with kid's gloves.

Blood for the Blood God!

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2008-08-20 01:38am

Block wrote:The game looks very pretty, but I'm not really seeing why the Tyranids are such a great thing. I'm almost certain most people who have been clamoring for them are going to be very unhappy with how they're implimented in multiplayer, which is apparently the only plave you can use them.

It's amusing because idiots on the internet have been claiming Tyranids are 'impossible' to do in an RTS context. They conflated 'the way Relic set up DoW' with 'everything possible in an RTS context' because they were unimaginative.

Feil · Post by **Feil** » 2008-08-20 01:50am

Block wrote:The game looks very pretty, but I'm not really seeing why the Tyranids are such a great thing. I'm almost certain most people who have been clamoring for them are going to be very unhappy with how they're implimented in multiplayer, which is apparently the only plave you can use them.

Because the 'nids are cool and different, while the 'crons are boring, the Tau are annoying, the Guard might as well be playing Company of Heroes, Witch Hunters are Space Marines with breasts, Daemonhunters are Space Marines with shiny silver armor, and Chaos is Space Marines with spiky hats.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-08-20 02:42am

Feil wrote: Because the 'nids are cool and different, while the 'crons are boring, the Tau are annoying, the Guard might as well be playing Company of Heroes, Witch Hunters are Space Marines with breasts, Daemonhunters are Space Marines with shiny silver armor, and Chaos is Space Marines with spiky hats.

It's a question of implementation, not some inherent quality of all those factions.

I actually don't see how the Nids are so cool and different. Oooh, they swarm!

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2008-08-20 02:52am

At the risk of sounding semantic, it's cause they embody an unrelenting tide of cold, unthinking, organic killing machines driven only by a machine-like desire to consume. That and they're just brutal. They take the bloody, ripping people into chunks with biological horrors to new levels of scale.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-08-20 03:03am

Shinova wrote:At the risk of sounding semantic, it's cause they embody an unrelenting tide of cold, unthinking, organic killing machines driven only by a machine-like desire to consume. That and they're just brutal. They take the bloody, ripping people into chunks with biological horrors to new levels of scale.

The exact same thing can be said about the Necrons with just minor adjustments (instead of "organic killing machines" they're "robotic killing machines").

And, of course, it has nothing to do with the way they are implemented. Knowing Relic, I'm not getting my hopes up (Hey, we'll have the Guard in the game! Yeah, they're gonna be this massive mechanized force crushing everybody beneath a wave of armored vehicles...so, um, let's set the build cap to two Leman Russ tanks. Yeah!

)

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2008-08-20 03:08am

Well getting killed by a bunch of robots feels a lot different from getting done in by a bunch of *GRAAHSHRIEIEIEKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH*.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2008-08-20 03:29am

Anyone who does not see the appeal in re-enacting the fort defense scene from Starship Troopers with Space Marines in place of the MI and Tyranids in place of the Bugs is dead to me.

(well, ideally it'd be Guard, but such is life)

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-08-20 03:36am

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:Anyone who does not see the appeal in re-enacting the fort defense scene from Starship Troopers with Space Marines in place of the MI and Tyranids in place of the Bugs is dead to me.

(well, ideally it'd be Guard, but such is life)

Again, this will only happen if the game allows it.

If it's anything like Dark Crusade's brilliant "Two tanks and three Bassilisks = mechanized maneuver!!!" system, then you'll get a bog-standard faction with a few gimmicks. There's nothing inherent about the Nids which would make that cool, ever