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KDE4: downgrade from KDE3
Posted: 2008-10-14 04:04am
by Darth Wong
Seriously, WTF is up with KDE4, especially the launch panel? The new panel is shit compared to the old one; it's actually much less flexible, more annoying to work with in general, and doesn't seem to offer anything to recommend it apart from funky graphical effects. And if I get careless and delete it, it's almost impossible to make a new panel to look just like the old one.
Re: KDE4: downgrade from KDE3
Posted: 2008-10-14 07:38am
by Admiral Valdemar
I use Gnome because of the bloat and ever more bizarre decisions taken for KDE. It's a shame, because I loved Mandriva 2005 SE when I used it and related KDE based distros. I guess it's getting worse with their great ideas, poor implementation.
Re: KDE4: downgrade from KDE3
Posted: 2008-10-14 11:10am
by Braedley
Go Gnome! Could you post some pics to detail your dissatisfaction with KDE?
Re: KDE4: downgrade from KDE3
Posted: 2008-10-14 11:17am
by Enigma
Enlighten me. What is KDE?
Re: KDE4: downgrade from KDE3
Posted: 2008-10-14 11:30am
by Braedley
The "K Desktop Environment". It's one of the leading desktop environments and window managers for Linux. Another is Gnome, and a lightweight one is XFCE.
Re: KDE4: downgrade from KDE3
Posted: 2008-10-14 12:43pm
by phongn
KDE 4 isn't actually feature-complete despite having a dot-zero version number on it. In fact, the developers said that KDE 3.5 was better for everyday use, and that 4.0 was intended for early-adopters and developers. I'm not even sure if 4.1 is full-featured, for that matter.
Re: KDE4: downgrade from KDE3
Posted: 2008-10-14 02:02pm
by Ariphaos
I've been out of the GUI Linux loop for a long time, but I've really taken to xfce, myself.
Re: KDE4: downgrade from KDE3
Posted: 2008-10-14 02:43pm
by phongn
Destructionator XIII wrote:Yup: KDE 4.0 should have been called an alpha - it is barely even functional! I think the only reason they released anything at all was because they were coming up on an artificial time limit and didn't want to do the responsible thing delay it.
Sounds like the Ubuntu 8.04 team, who shipped with bugs that should've been showstoppers (would two months have killed them? 6.06 was delayed and was the better for it)
Re: KDE4: downgrade from KDE3
Posted: 2008-10-14 02:53pm
by Bounty
phongn wrote:Destructionator XIII wrote:Yup: KDE 4.0 should have been called an alpha - it is barely even functional! I think the only reason they released anything at all was because they were coming up on an artificial time limit and didn't want to do the responsible thing delay it.
Sounds like the Ubuntu 8.04 team, who shipped with bugs that should've been showstoppers (would two months have killed them? 6.06 was delayed and was the better for it)
Are you thinking about the broken sound server or was there something else I missed?
Re: KDE4: downgrade from KDE3
Posted: 2008-10-14 03:05pm
by phongn
Bounty wrote:Are you thinking about the broken sound server or was there something else I missed?
There was a serious kernel problem as well.
Re: KDE4: downgrade from KDE3
Posted: 2008-10-14 03:20pm
by Dave
And it sounds like Ibex 8.10 is shipping with KDE 4. I tried the beta live CD and it simply would not boot on my laptop. It had better boot on my laptop and be really usable if I'm going to stick with Kubuntu. Otherwise, I'll be forced to switch to GNOME/Ubuntu. And I don't like GNOME that much.
Re: KDE4: downgrade from KDE3
Posted: 2008-10-14 03:40pm
by Bounty
Dave wrote:And it sounds like Ibex 8.10 is shipping with KDE 4. I tried the beta live CD and it simply would not boot on my laptop. It had better boot on my laptop and be really usable if I'm going to stick with Kubuntu. Otherwise, I'll be forced to switch to GNOME/Ubuntu. And I don't like GNOME that much.
Tried XFCE yet? Apart from the useless menu editor is a perfectly good desktop environment, and Gnome apps don't look all that out-of-place in it.