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Posted: **2009-02-04 09:13pm**

[Split off and granted it's own topic...or perhaps some devious mod simply disbanded it from the other thread? Who knows. - Kev]

Since this is the defacto EVE thread and about stealing:

Goons just stole BoB. Yes, they(We, technically) stole an alliance including everything in it and disbanded it. Details to follow.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b329/ ... 797749.jpg

Basically, I believe this means Goons just won The War.

Posted: **2009-02-04 10:09pm**

How the fuck did they manage to pull that off ?

If BoB reforms under a different name, would they of lost anything beyond the cost of the new alliance and the stolen assets ?

Posted: **2009-02-04 11:21pm**

Holy crap.

How many Titans did they make off with?

Posted: **2009-02-04 11:41pm**

bilateralrope wrote:How the fuck did they manage to pull that off ?

Looks like there was high-level BoB director that had the power to disband the alliance and clean out the bank accounts... and did so.

The fallout from this should make for pretty good reading.

Posted: **2009-02-05 12:01am**

GuppyShark wrote:Holy crap.

How many Titans did they make off with?

My guess: None as Titans can't be docked.

If it's stored in a station it can be stolen by anyone with access to that corp hanger quickly with by simply selecting everything in that hanger and dragging it into your personal hanger. ISK can be stolen by simply transferring it to yourself. But supercaptials need to be flown away one at a time.

Uraniun235 wrote:
bilateralrope wrote:How the fuck did they manage to pull that off ?
Looks like there was high-level BoB director that had the power to disband the alliance and clean out the bank accounts... and did so.

Is there a disband alliance button somewhere ?

What I've been hearing is that the director somehow caused Bob to miss paying their alliance fee, but I have no clue how that was done beyond goons having a director who was working for them. I don't really know anything about bills going to a corp or alliance.

The fallout from this should make for pretty good reading.

Agreed.

Posted: **2009-02-05 12:04am**

Commander 598 wrote:Since this is the defacto EVE thread and about stealing:

Goons just stole BoB. Yes, they(We, technically) stole an alliance including everything in it and disbanded it. Details to follow.

Wow.

You have done the impossible. You've made me go back to the EVE Online forums. I have to know, even though I'll lose a few dozen brain cells in there.

Posted: **2009-02-05 12:28am**

I've considered the EVE system of 'security' the best for providing both PvE and PvP for some time. Other games have complex rules around who can or can't fight or simply ban it entirely; in EVE you can constantly adjust your level of risk wihtout ever really being 'safe' from death. It provides a method for new players to get into the game, or the PvP or whatever and lets people 'manage' it in a cool way that isn't 'flag myself for PvP oh shit I got ganked to death'.

It amuses me that people think that the 'goons destroying BoB is a good thing. I'd say a week maximum until everyone hates the 'goons WAY more than they hated BoB (and they went out of their way to be cunts).

Posted: **2009-02-05 12:33am**

I just realised that Eve if BoB does reform instantly under a new name with all their POSs intact, that still resets sovereignty for their systems. Which means their jump bridges and cyno jammers are offline for at least 28 days.

How many alliances are planning to invade BoB space now ?

Posted: **2009-02-05 12:33am**

When it comes to the Goons, they usually have nothing to loose as they often fly the shitty ships and just gang up on the other players. They like pissing people off. I don't see the attack on BOB changing things drastically for them.

Posted: **2009-02-05 12:36am**

Alyeska wrote:When it comes to the Goons, they usually have nothing to loose as they often fly the shitty ships and just gang up on the other players. They like pissing people off. I don't see the attack on BOB changing things drastically for them.

Uh, they've been fighting BoB for months and have been doing quite well from what I've heard. Swarms are perfectly viable in EVE.

Posted: **2009-02-05 01:01am**

Alyeska wrote:When it comes to the Goons, they usually have nothing to loose as they often fly the shitty ships and just gang up on the other players. They like pissing people off. I don't see the attack on BOB changing things drastically for them.

How many people will attack BoB now that BoB's systems aren't protected by cyno jammers or a defence swarm that will react quickly via jump bridges ?

Even if the Goons don't attack themselves, I'm sure that removing BoB from the picture will be a benefit to them.

Posted: **2009-02-05 01:07am**

Stark wrote:
Alyeska wrote:When it comes to the Goons, they usually have nothing to loose as they often fly the shitty ships and just gang up on the other players. They like pissing people off. I don't see the attack on BOB changing things drastically for them.
Uh, they've been fighting BoB for months and have been doing quite well from what I've heard. Swarms are perfectly viable in EVE.

Yes, I know. Its what the goons specialize in. I have a friend who has taken part in a few of those raids.

Posted: **2009-02-05 01:10am**

Alyeska wrote:Yes, I know. Its what the goons specialize in. I have a friend who has taken part in a few of those raids.

Sorry. I thought you were thinking a bunch of lowend guys like most of the 'goons wouldn't be effective, the way it is in most MMOs. I misunderstood.

I'm curious to see if the 'goons stop pissing so many people off now, or if they go completely insane.

Posted: **2009-02-05 01:15am**

Stark wrote:
Alyeska wrote:When it comes to the Goons, they usually have nothing to loose as they often fly the shitty ships and just gang up on the other players. They like pissing people off. I don't see the attack on BOB changing things drastically for them.
Uh, they've been fighting BoB for months and have been doing quite well from what I've heard. Swarms are perfectly viable in EVE.

If I'm not mistaken, Goons have been fighting BoB since 2006.

As for what actually happened, there's an mp3 file from the Goonswarm Teamspeak where our Director of Intelligence/Superspy, Mitanni, tells all (NWS, if that matters to your ears): http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/mittani.mp3

Yes, there is a disband alliance button. Yes, all their shit is FUBAR everything from POS to ships and general resources/fuel trapped in stations that can't be accessed. I also highly doubt that their "friends" are going to help them get back on their feet so much as make a move on Delve, which has been viewed as "The Promised Lands" for quite some time. What's more, according to the mp3 BoB has been in a pretty crappy state for awhile. All we managed to grab from the initial haul was just 15 dreads and about 13 billion ISK, which is pretty weak for a big time alliance like BoB.

Back during the Delve invasion the operation was such a meat grinder because they could pretty much drop multiple titans on us at will and deploy through their jump bridge network while our capships had to sit out because of the jammers, should be a damn cake walk, to say nothing of how half of EVE is making a beeline for Delve in the hopes of snatching some territory.

Oh yeah, chatlogs of BoB's realization of the event:

<@LadyScarlet> <cflux> Mako: arkannen? arkanon? hes the internal security guy
<@Mako> some with that name took al the wallet from hat
<@DeadAgain> *all night
<@wizzard66> wtf?
<@Mako> and left reson
<@LadyScarlet> huh
<@Mako> the mittani says hi
<@LadyScarlet> omg
<@LadyScarlet> you have got to be ****ting
<@LadyScarlet> noooooo
<@LadyScarlet> dice
<@LadyScarlet> is not in the allince
<@LadyScarlet> wtf
<@arcantos> nor is finfl
<@LadyScarlet> omg
<@arcantos> 2009.02.05 01:31
<@arcantos> The war between FinFleet and Abbach Alliance is coming to an end. FinFleet has surrendered to Abbach Alliance. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
<@arcantos> someone did a bubu ..
<@tricky> um
<@Luciender> Um...
<@LadyScarlet> the allince
<Argentina> that's going to be interesting
<@LadyScarlet> dotn exisit anymore ?
<@arcantos> no
<@arcantos> bob is closed
<Argentina> looks like bob closed
<@tricky> ****
<Argentina> hahahaha
<@arcantos> Band of Brothers (Closed) from 2007.08.10 to 2009.02.05
<Argentina> someone didn't pay the bill
<@tricky> sov4s are going to die
<@LadyScarlet> call molle !
<@Luciender> .............
<Argentina> it doesn't matter who you call
<Argentina> don't bother waking anyone up
<@tricky> wtf
<@Luciender> ...............
<Argentina> it isn't just sov4, it should be all sov dropping
<@Spathi> all sov will drop now
<@Spathi> petition that.
<@Spathi> like, now
<@LadyScarlet> we need it delt with now
<Argentina> directors, go
<Argentina> or ceos
<@tricky> Standings are going to be ****ed up
<Argentina> but if it's an unpaid bill, will they care?
<@tricky> ping your corps
<@tricky> or we will lose ****
<@Luciender> Sort your standings out to every bob corp
<@LadyScarlet> can i pay it from hat ?
<@LadyScarlet> do we know ?
<Argentina> lady, it needs to be recreated
<Argentina> via petition (preferable) or in game (we lose sov and so on)
<@Spathi> just get it petitioned.
-stratics.frws.com:@#bobsecure- ChanServ invited Blocko into channel #bobsecure.
* Blocko (Me@CPE0013f7fb0f08-CM0013f7fb0f04.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #bobsecure
* ChanServ sets mode: +o Blocko
<@Blocko> What needs to happen to sort this?
<@LadyScarlet> im yelling at coranor now
<Argentina> wake your brother up ;p
<@LadyScarlet> or get dian ya
<@Luciender> get dian on
<@Luciender> wake him up
<@LadyScarlet> blocko he had to pettion and pay the bill now
<@Blocko> to do what?
<@Blocko> on lousia?
<@LadyScarlet> recreat bob allince
<@LadyScarlet> its gone
<@Spathi> dont recreate, just petition it.. either way we're screwed if the gms dont help
<@Blocko> someones ringing him
<@Blocko> lol
<Argentina> the bob alliance is closed. we don't know why. we need a petition begging for it to be recreated so we don't lose all sov
<@Coranor> petition it
<@Malindah> has anyone petitioned it?
<@Malindah> if nto I will
<Argentina> who needs to petiton? ceos? one ceo?
<@Blocko> hes up
<@Spathi> just everyone do it lol
<@Luciender> i woke him up.
<@Coranor> i see no payable bill on record on one of my director alts
<@Coranor> just someone ****ing petition it it doesn't have to be me
<Argentina> who does it have to be? any director
<Argentina> ?
<Argentina> any ceo?
<Argentina> surely not just any member
<@LadyScarlet> well i can pettion it but i though it had to be a ceo
<@Coranor> mal go petition it please
<@LadyScarlet> if mal isnt i will then
<@Malindah> i am working on it
<@LadyScarlet> but im not sure how all that allince **** works
<@Luciender> Guys
<@Luciender> set your standings to each corp please
<@Malindah> but we have freighters that justgot bounced.
<@LadyScarlet> ya
<@Malindah> trying to get them safe.
<@arcantos> luci it's not only standings
<@LadyScarlet> fken hell its already on coad
<@arcantos> now we need to share pwds for poses
<@Blocko> Dian is up
<@Coranor> it doesn't matter just ****ing sort out standings so people don't get nailed by pos
<@Spathi> Check the titans in h-a
<@Spathi> Cos any online...
<@tricky> rkk standings should be sorted
<@Mako> still going to get bounced
<@Coranor> now make sure titans are logged off
<@cflux> get a message out that no titans logs in, they will all be bounced to ****
<@cflux> lockdown the ****ing corp, remove all roles from everyone
<@cflux> BNC, lockdown your corps, hes your guys
<@cflux> It looks like we are being ****ed royally
<@Blocko> - Mittani shags goats
<@Dian> Luciender
<@Dian> what roles did he have?
<@Dian> Coranor, audit that char plz
<@Dian> see what roles it had
<@Luciender> i dont have access for that mate
<@Luciender> just a fueler alt
<@Ztrain> I'm off work in 8 munutes
<@Coranor> that characters roles are now gone
<@Ztrain> I'll be home have a director character in Hat
<@Ztrain> or at least had.
<@Luciender> Id say remove everyone's mate
<@Dian> ok that char
<@Dian> would not have had roles
<@LadyScarlet> dotn remove miss dixies
<@Dian> it has bnc.e director title
<@LadyScarlet> its me ;P
<@LadyScarlet> took me 2 months to get them back
<@Malindah> I cannot remove roles
<@Ztrain> lol
<@Malindah> trying to get Okuden now
<@Dian> roles gone on that char
<@Spathi> haarg is nova, not eclipse.
<@Spathi> he has 1 char in eclipse and it was pos gunner only
<@LadyScarlet> do we ban him from here yes or no ?
<@LadyScarlet> he sitting in this channel

Posted: **2009-02-05 01:35am**

fun fact: later bits of that log apparantly have scarlet talking about using the Batman Hotline or Batman Hotmail, that is to say their email to a friend who is a CCP employee which they use when bad shit happens.

Unless it's forged. Still hillarious.

Posted: **2009-02-05 01:41am**

BoB's CCP assistance is why I stopped playing. That was a hilarious scam itself. Oh look, an NPC mothership full of piles of stuff! Goonswarm found one... oh dear it didn't drop anything.

Posted: **2009-02-05 03:32am**

Yogi wrote:
Commander 598 wrote:Since this is the defacto EVE thread and about stealing:

Goons just stole BoB. Yes, they(We, technically) stole an alliance including everything in it and disbanded it. Details to follow.
Wow.

You have done the impossible. You've made me go back to the EVE Online forums. I have to know, even though I'll lose a few dozen brain cells in there.

Just put some cork plugs in your nose and ears just in case some goo starts dripping out and you'll be allright.

That said, I'm really trying to hide my smile here at work. My views have always have been quite neutral to BoB, but this is the kind of stuff that'll be talked about for years.

Posted: **2009-02-05 03:49am**

What are the quality EVE websites, anyway?

I'd like to see really good coverage of this from something akin to Elitist Jerks.

Posted: **2009-02-05 07:54am**

Yes, there is a disband alliance button. Yes, all their shit is FUBAR everything from POS to ships and general resources/fuel trapped in stations that can't be accessed. I also highly doubt that their "friends" are going to help them get back on their feet so much as make a move on Delve, which has been viewed as "The Promised Lands" for quite some time. What's more, according to the mp3 BoB has been in a pretty crappy state for awhile. All we managed to grab from the initial haul was just 15 dreads and about 13 billion ISK, which is pretty weak for a big time alliance like BoB.

Back during the Delve invasion the operation was such a meat grinder because they could pretty much drop multiple titans on us at will and deploy through their jump bridge network while our capships had to sit out because of the jammers, should be a damn cake walk, to say nothing of how half of EVE is making a beeline for Delve in the hopes of snatching some territory.

Jesus Christ.

What is this an MMORPG of? The Byzantine Empire?

Half of me wants to actually sign up now...and the other half reminds me i have a girlfriend and enjoy leaving my house so...

(I'M KIDDING...sarcasm! No but seriously i don't join cause i don't have $60 a month to spend on them, IRL. I don't have $60 period).

Posted: **2009-02-05 12:12pm**

While stuff like that is interesting to read about, it's a lot less fun if you're actually the victim. The truth of the matter is, a high ranking cocksucker pissed off another high ranking cocksucker, who decided to be dick right back, so all the normal players who just wanted to have a good time and had nothing to do with it can now go suck cock.

So at least it's realistic.

Posted: **2009-02-05 01:17pm**

Yogi wrote:BoB...have a good time...

You clearly don't get WHY this happened. The defecting director got into GS and discovered that it was more fun than BoB and BoB pretty much hated itself these days so it was pretty clearly not having a good time. If what Mittens says about their forums is true, I highly doubt much of anyone was having a good time.

Posted: **2009-02-05 01:47pm**

Commander 598 wrote:
Yogi wrote:BoB...have a good time...
You clearly don't get WHY this happened. The defecting director got into GS and discovered that it was more fun than BoB and BoB pretty much hated itself these days so it was pretty clearly not having a good time. If what Mittens says about their forums is true, I highly doubt much of anyone was having a good time.

Yeah, I hear he infiltrated a Goonswarm ally as a spy and had fun, so he decided to turn Double Agent. But that doesn't make sense, since everyone should have fun being yelled at for teamspeak discipline and bickering over kill credit! :V

This almost inspired me to join Internet Spaceships. But not really. I'd rather have free time.

Posted: **2009-02-05 02:23pm**

That's hilarious.

He infiltrated Goonswarm as a spy...had more fun...so he desided to cross the line.

Apparently SRS BISNUS is not fun when it's serious business.

Posted: **2009-02-05 02:59pm**

Commander 598 wrote:You clearly don't get WHY this happened. The defecting director got into GS and discovered that it was more fun than BoB and BoB pretty much hated itself these days so it was pretty clearly not having a good time. If what Mittens says about their forums is true, I highly doubt much of anyone was having a good time.

So . . . how does that invalidate anything I said. One person decided to fuck over every single person in his alliance, which is known among civilized people as being a cocksucker. The assertion that EVERYONE in BoB was not having fun (and paying $15 a month to not have fun) is pretty much speculation based upon the unsubstantiated testimony of one of the the most biased sources imaginable.

Posted: **2009-02-05 03:17pm**

I'm pretty sure people signing up for Eve want this kind of game, otherwise they wouldn't be playing it. BOB has done this to other groups before.

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