I've mentioned before that my card is getting weak when playing games and will either slow the game down or shut itself off.
At first I thought I am going to need another video card (my current one is a Geforce 8500GT 512MB and it isn't overclocked.) but I decided to see if maybe it is the card overheating that is causing the it to slow down or shut off.
I downloaded PC Wizard 2008 and got this:
PC Wizard 2008 Version 1.871
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Owner: Enigma
Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.01.2600 Service Pack 3
Report Date: Friday 06 February 2009 at 20:43
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<<< Voltage, Temperature and Fans >>>
> Hardware Monitoring : Winbond W83627EHF/EHG
>> General Information
ISA Address : 0x290
Support : KN9(NF-MCP55P)
>> Sensor Information
Sensor : Winbond W83627EHF/EHG
Mode : ISA
PECI Mode : No
Q-Fan/SmartFan Enabled : Yes
Chassis intrusion : No
> Voltage CPU : 1.35 V
> Chassis Fan : 3515 rpm
> Processor : Thermal Diode
> AMD Athlon 64 X2 (Core 1) : 206 °C
> AMD Athlon 64 X2 (Core 2) : 206 °C
> NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT : nVidia Driver
> GPU Temperature : 103 °C
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***** End of report *****
Is 103C or 217F too high? That is the temp when I am just surfing the web.
If it is too high, is the card salvageable? Just replace the fan? If so, what decent GPU fan can I get?
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When playing Mount & Blade it shot up to 122C or 252F
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That's one insanely hot card. Basically, your card is destroying itself from the heat. Under load, a video card shouldn't hit more than 80C if you intend to keep it for a several years, and even that is pushing it. Good load temps are 60-70C, idle should be around 30-40C. Although I'd be wary of this program, since it says your processor is hitting 206C. That should have destroyed it by now, assuming you've had the computer for a while. I'm grabbing PC Wizard now, I'll report in a few minutes.
EDIT: Yeah, your system is off the charts. Clean out any dust there may be, and see if the fans are running at all. The most worrying info by far is that CPU temp.
starslayer wrote: That's one insanely hot card. Basically, your card is destroying itself from the heat. Under load, a video card shouldn't hit more than 80C if you intend to keep it for a several years, and even that is pushing it. Good load temps are 60-70C, idle should be around 30-40C. Although I'd be wary of this program, since it says your processor is hitting 206C. That should have destroyed it by now, assuming you've had the computer for a while. I'm grabbing PC Wizard now, I'll report in a few minutes.
EDIT: Yeah, your system is off the charts. Clean out any dust there may be, and see if the fans are running at all. The most worrying info by far is that CPU temp.
The CPU core temp isn't right. WTF? Twice the boiling point for water? It was supposed to say Core 1 42C Core 2 39C
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Ok, that's better. Scared the hell out of me for a second. The fact remains that the GPU is far too hot, and that is the likely culprit for your game slowdowns/crashes. Is the GPU fan actually on and at full speed? How about all the case fans?
starslayer wrote:Ok, that's better. Scared the hell out of me for a second. The fact remains that the GPU is far too hot, and that is the likely culprit for your game slowdowns/crashes. Is the GPU fan actually on and at full speed? How about all the case fans?
I'm on my father's computer as I found the culprit. The fan on the vid card seized. So that is what is causing the computer trouble. I should have realized it was overheating as it reacts the same way if the cpu is overheating by crashing or shutting off.
Any ideas as to a decent\cheap fan replacement?
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Makes me a bit nervous, My XP 2800 is operating at around 63 C......
Heard that safe limit for Barton core is 85 C and keeping it at 20 C below that extends processor life so within safety. The case does not have great cooling though. Thinking about adding a fan, I have a spare.
My Sempron 2600 actually is operating cooler (36 C) than the board (43 C) it is on but it has a pretty good cooling system.
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Bought a fan for the GPU but unfortunately the holes on the card were too small for the fasteners so I had to MacGuyver the fan by using plastic tie wraps. Now the GPU temp is down to 78C. Now to test it on some games.
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Enigma wrote:Bought a fan for the GPU but unfortunately the holes on the card were too small for the fasteners so I had to MacGuyver the fan by using plastic tie wraps. Now the GPU temp is down to 78C. Now to test it on some games.
Please, please, please tell me that's not idle. If it is, it's still too warm; games will still slowly destroy your card. Find something that can knock another 30C or so off that temp if it's idling (more is better, but even that target may be too much without just buying a new card).
Enigma wrote:Bought a fan for the GPU but unfortunately the holes on the card were too small for the fasteners so I had to MacGuyver the fan by using plastic tie wraps. Now the GPU temp is down to 78C. Now to test it on some games.
Please, please, please tell me that's not idle. If it is, it's still too warm; games will still slowly destroy your card. Find something that can knock another 30C or so off that temp if it's idling (more is better, but even that target may be too much without just buying a new card).
Sorry but that is at idle. Maybe later I'll see if I can get additional fans for the computer and see if it makes any difference.
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Dude it's new card time. If you can't get a new card now, look at the placement of your card (I'm assuming you have an AGP bus mobo and vid card). Make sure the slots above and below the card are clear, so you have airflow over the video card.
At this point, you may as well remove any slot covers you have at the rear of the case; your beast needs air!
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Count Chocula wrote:Dude it's new card time. If you can't get a new card now, look at the placement of your card (I'm assuming you have an AGP bus mobo and vid card). Make sure the slots above and below the card are clear, so you have airflow over the video card.
At this point, you may as well remove any slot covers you have at the rear of the case; your beast needs air!
PCIe slot. No AGP. I might punch out some of the expansion slots, purchase a case fan plus an expansion slot fan. I've always had slightly higher than normal temp readings for my computers. The one I had before this ran hotter and it was fine. Then again I keep the computer on all the time.
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I should make a few corrections to what I said about good GPU temps; upon further research, it seems anything up to 60C is fine for idle; load should still not exceed 90C, and again, that is pushing it. Any chance of pictures of your case insides? It might end up being a cluster of wires in the wrong place, causing bad/too hot airflow (this I doubt, however).
Enigma wrote:Then again I keep the computer on all the time.
This shouldn't matter much. Idle temps are at thermal equilibrium, after all; it should merrily continue in this state as long as the computer is on.
starslayer wrote:I should make a few corrections to what I said about good GPU temps; upon further research, it seems anything up to 60C is fine for idle; load should still not exceed 90C
Phew, I got a bit scared by reading this thread, since my 8800 GT idles at about 58°C (69-72° while under load with AoC or other newer games). Then again, my case is placed fairly near to the heater, just couldn't set it up any other way, so it'll be a bit cooler once winter is over.
Just slightly off-topic, but related to the heat issue: should case fans suck air out or in? I'm never sure about this. Right now I've got one fan on the front, sucking air in and blowing over the harddrives, and two fans on the rear, sucking air out. I was thinking that achieving a steady airflow through the whole case was a good thing. Is it?
starslayer wrote:I should make a few corrections to what I said about good GPU temps; upon further research, it seems anything up to 60C is fine for idle; load should still not exceed 90C, and again, that is pushing it. Any chance of pictures of your case insides? It might end up being a cluster of wires in the wrong place, causing bad/too hot airflow (this I doubt, however).
Enigma wrote:Then again I keep the computer on all the time.
This shouldn't matter much. Idle temps are at thermal equilibrium, after all; it should merrily continue in this state as long as the computer is on.
No pics, but the wires are behind the card and in no way blocking the fan. But the computer is in the dedicated slot in my computer desk so I can see the computer from the front and there is no obstruction in the back. There's about two inches of space from the sides and top of the computer and the desk. Will that contribute to extra heat?
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starslayer wrote:I should make a few corrections to what I said about good GPU temps; upon further research, it seems anything up to 60C is fine for idle; load should still not exceed 90C
Phew, I got a bit scared by reading this thread, since my 8800 GT idles at about 58°C (69-72° while under load with AoC or other newer games). Then again, my case is placed fairly near to the heater, just couldn't set it up any other way, so it'll be a bit cooler once winter is over.
Just slightly off-topic, but related to the heat issue: should case fans suck air out or in? I'm never sure about this. Right now I've got one fan on the front, sucking air in and blowing over the harddrives, and two fans on the rear, sucking air out. I was thinking that achieving a steady airflow through the whole case was a good thing. Is it?
You are correct. You don't want all the fans blowing out, because you'll create a pretty useless vacuum with little useful airflow. All the fans blowing in wouldn't give the heat an efficient place to go other than "radiate through the case." Airflow is the way to go, and your set-up is pretty much the way to do it.
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I have two fans which I am planning to put in my PC......
The only place for them is right over the processor (when laid on its side) and the case does not have any side venting. There is no place for venting on the front.
I was going to have them blow out to take the air from what is close to the highest point in teh case. As such, I though blowing out was the best choice.
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Who even needs case fans? I live in a fucking desert and a regular replacement CPU cooler (intel ones suck lol) and standard modern GPU cooler work fine. The idea that you need 3-4 fans just on the case controlling airflow is nonsense (and makes your machine much louder).
The idea of people with old computers buying several case fans is an amusing one.
Got the fans free so nothing really invested in them
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"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
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It shouldn't. That sounds like a good configuration, presuming your case is designed to take air in through the front and blow it out the back (most are). If your case has side venting, this isn't so great, but it shouldn't affect it all that much. I'm still stumped as to why your card is running so hot.
It shouldn't. That sounds like a good configuration, presuming your case is designed to take air in through the front and blow it out the back (most are). If your case has side venting, this isn't so great, but it shouldn't affect it all that much. I'm still stumped as to why your card is running so hot.
It has a forward and side vent(some sort of tube that is suppose to direct the air from the CPU fan into the side vent?), There is space in the back that I could attach a case fan then there's the three fans (PSU, CPU, GPU) but I know the airflow isn't good because when I went to clean out the chassis, there was lots of dust in the back(anywhere that there's a hole), plenty in the forward vent and virtually none in the side vent. PSU fan takes air in from the bottom and tosses it out back, CPU fan throws air towards the side and the GPU fan blows air towards the bottom of the chassis.
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Stark wrote:Who even needs case fans? I live in a fucking desert and a regular replacement CPU cooler (intel ones suck lol) and standard modern GPU cooler work fine. The idea that you need 3-4 fans just on the case controlling airflow is nonsense (and makes your machine much louder).
The idea of people with old computers buying several case fans is an amusing one.
TBH I just bought two additional fans when building my computer because it said on the shop site where I bought the dualcore CPU that additional case fans are a must with modern CPUs My case even came with two fans pre-installed, one of them is a huge 12-inch fan sitting on the side slowly blowing air onto the whole mobo.
The thing is, my last computer died of heat - granted, it was a shit stock case and everything was really cramped in there, but shelling out an additional 15 € or so for two fans seemed worth buying the possibility of prolonged component life. Yeah, it adds to noise, but I don't really care for a silent computer - plus, it's still quieter than a laptop starting to get warm and firing up its fans
I have one of these on my 8800GT, and my full load temps never exceed 45C. The best part is that, while it comes with a manual speed controller, this thing is fucking silent compared to the stock cooler. It does stick out slightly more than the stock cooler (enough to take up half of the neighboring slot), but it is well worth whatever you would pay for it. It also comes with a set of ramsinks to stick on the chips as well.
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That's one insanely hot card. Basically, your card is destroying itself from the heat. Under load, a video card shouldn't hit more than 80C if you intend to keep it for a several years, and even that is pushing it. Good load temps are 60-70C, idle should be around 30-40C. Although I'd be wary of this program, since it says your processor is hitting 206C. That should have destroyed it by now, assuming you've had the computer for a while. I'm grabbing PC Wizard now, I'll report in a few minutes.
Now to test it on some games. 
My case even came with two fans pre-installed, one of them is a huge 12-inch fan sitting on the side slowly blowing air onto the whole mobo.