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Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 03:48pm
by Lonestar
Not sure where to put this, if Mods have a better idea please move it.

From the Beeb
When the Sony Walkman was launched, 30 years ago this week, it started a revolution in portable music. But how does it compare with its digital successors? The Magazine invited 13-year-old Scott Campbell to swap his iPod for a Walkman for a week.

My dad had told me it was the iPod of its day.

He had told me it was big, but I hadn't realised he meant THAT big. It was the size of a small book.

When I saw it for the first time, its colour also struck me. Nowadays gadgets come in a rainbow of colours but this was only one shade - a bland grey.


So it's not exactly the most aesthetically pleasing choice of music player. If I was browsing in a shop maybe I would have chosen something else.

From a practical point of view, the Walkman is rather cumbersome, and it is certainly not pocket-sized, unless you have large pockets. It comes with a handy belt clip screwed on to the back, yet the weight of the unit is enough to haul down a low-slung pair of combats.

When I wore it walking down the street or going into shops, I got strange looks, a mixture of surprise and curiosity, that made me a little embarrassed.

As I boarded the school bus, where I live in Aberdeenshire, I was greeted with laughter. One boy said: "No-one uses them any more." Another said: "Groovy." Yet another one quipped: "That would be hard to lose."

My friends couldn't imagine their parents using this monstrous box, but there was interest in what the thing was and how it worked.

In some classes in school they let me listen to music and one teacher recognised it and got nostalgic.

It took me three days to figure out that there was another side to the tape. That was not the only naive mistake that I made; I mistook the metal/normal switch on the Walkman for a genre-specific equaliser, but later I discovered that it was in fact used to switch between two different types of cassette.

Another notable feature that the iPod has and the Walkman doesn't is "shuffle", where the player selects random tracks to play. Its a function that, on the face of it, the Walkman lacks. But I managed to create an impromptu shuffle feature simply by holding down "rewind" and releasing it randomly - effective, if a little laboured.

I told my dad about my clever idea. His words of warning brought home the difference between the portable music players of today, which don't have moving parts, and the mechanical playback of old. In his words, "Walkmans eat tapes". So my clumsy clicking could have ended up ruining my favourite tape, leaving me music-less for the rest of the day.

Digital relief

Throughout my week using the Walkman, I came to realise that I have very little knowledge of technology from the past. I made a number of naive mistakes, but I also learned a lot about the grandfather of the MP3 Player.

You can almost imagine the excitement about the Walkman coming out 30 years ago, as it was the newest piece of technology at the time.

Perhaps that kind of anticipation and excitement has been somewhat lost in the flood of new products which now hit our shelves on a regular basis.

Personally, I'm relieved I live in the digital age, with bigger choice, more functions and smaller devices. I'm relieved that the majority of technological advancement happened before I was born, as I can't imagine having to use such basic equipment every day.

Having said all that, portable music is better than no music.

Now, for technically curious readers, I've directly compared the portable cassette player with its latter-day successor. Here are the main cons, and even a pro, I found with this piece of antique technology.

This is the function that matters most. To make the music play, you push the large play button. It engages with a satisfying clunk, unlike the finger tip tap for the iPod.

When playing, it is clearly evident that the music sounds significantly different than when played on an MP3 player, mainly because of the hissy backtrack and odd warbly noises on the Walkman.

The warbling is probably because of the horrifically short battery life; it is nearly completely dead within three hours of firing it up. Not long after the music warbled into life, it abruptly ended.

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Yeah, while Ipods/MP3 players are now somewhat ubiquitous, I can't help but think of the strange looks one might get walking around with a Walkman nowadays. I have a vague recollection from Consumer Reports for Kids(yes, I was that geeky as a kid) that the term for all non-Sony portable cassette players was "Walkabout".

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 04:06pm
by General Zod
Having grown up when tapes were still pretty ubiquitous, I remember the first time one of my friends brought over their CD player. I was a bit baffled at first when figuring out how to use it when I realized that you didn't actually need to flip the disc over the way you did with cassettes. (Getting strange looks is understandable though, pretty much the only people I see with tape players these days are homeless people).

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 04:37pm
by ANGELUS
I still had one of those until about 6 years ago and it was still working just fine. I gave it away about the same time I got my first MP3 player (never had a portable CD player).
I'm relieved that the majority of technological advancement happened before I was born, as I can't imagine having to use such basic equipment every day.
The kid seems to be unable to think in perspective here, does he actually think that current devices will still be thought of as "new and advanced" 15 years from now? by that time kids will look at today's iPods as old relics, and that goes for pretty much any kind of technology.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 04:41pm
by Kuja
Jesus that article makes me feel old.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 05:08pm
by Stark
I still remember the 'high end' walkmen you could get with 12,000 different buttons for crazy features, where half the mechanical complexity was on the inside of the door where it could be more easily damaged or jammed by dirt.

And I remember people in highschool paying more than you'd pay for an iTouch now for a CD player... THAT DIDN'T SKIP. :lol: Those were the days.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 05:36pm
by Losonti Tokash
It took me a minute to realize that by walkman he meant the tape player and not the portable cdplayer. I think the only time I ever saw one of those in person was when cleaning out my dad's storage locker

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 05:43pm
by General Zod
Losonti Tokash wrote:It took me a minute to realize that by walkman he meant the tape player and not the portable cdplayer. I think the only time I ever saw one of those in person was when cleaning out my dad's storage locker
We always called them Discmans when referring to CD players. I don't think it'd ever occur to me that anyone would use "Walkman" to refer to anything but tape decks.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 06:31pm
by Ford Prefect
Man, this takes me back. I only really stopped using my Walkman three years ago. My tapes were getting a little ... warped.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 07:23pm
by Vertigo1
I still have my Walkman. The tape part doesn't work anymore (keeps flipping between side a and b), but the radio side works just fine. I keep it around mainly for emergencies, so I'll still have access to weather info. (I live on the edge of Tornado Alley) I think the last time I actively used it was to hear news reports about recovery efforts in the remains of the WTC, while I was in college.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 07:25pm
by Resinence
Man... I still have my bright-safety-yellow Walkman Sport with the 'fancy' soft buttons and huge sealed side on the tape assembly, it has MEGA BASS :lol: and still works.

And can't forget the "10 SECONDS DIGITAL ANTISHOCK SYSTEM!!!" discman with a wired remote hah! Sony got there before apple with the new shuffle :P

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 07:43pm
by Vertigo1
Resinence wrote:And can't forget the "10 SECONDS DIGITAL ANTISHOCK SYSTEM!!!" discman with a wired remote hah! Sony got there before apple with the new shuffle :P
You mean the one with the 80 hour battery life? I have that one. :) It got that by caching the songs into RAM, and shutting down the motor that spun the CD.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 08:36pm
by Broomstick
:shock:

Not only do I NOT have an MP3 player (really, I don't) I STILL own a working walkman and TWO discmans!!! And I still use them regularly!

Gosh, I feel so old. >sniff< The official old hag fossil of SD.net.... :(

(I also still have a turntable and a collection of vinyl records.... I am SUCH a dinosaur...)

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 09:14pm
by aerius
Heh, I have 2 working walkmans and a discman, plus a turntable, a vacuum tube radio tuner, and a couple vacuum tube amplifiers. About the only thing I don't have is a reel to reel tape machine and one of those big Victrola record players.

We have a couple iPods but I don't use them, my wife uses the newer one on her daily subway commute while the other one just sits around. I've tried using it from time to time but honestly I prefer my Walkman, there's no tape hiss if the recording's done properly and the playback heads are clean, and I don't need 10,000 songs on the thing at once. But I still don't have a cell phone so what the hell would I know about modern technology & conveniences?

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 09:44pm
by Broomstick
Ah, I have a cellphone! Yes, I do!

Although my sisters grumble that I can't send/receive text, there no camera, no pictures, no internet, and no ringtones - when it rings it rings like a 1950's style rotary dial phone. BRRRRRRRRING!

I do have voice mail, my message goes like this:

"You have reached Broomstick's voice mail. She can't come to the phone right now as she does not answer the phone when she's flying, driving down the freeway, or asleep. Please leave a message and as soon as she wakes up, lands the airplane, and pulls off the road she'll get back to you."

When people leave messages the initial reactions range from :lol: to :shock:

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 09:57pm
by Mr. Coffee
Fun Fact: I still have a pretty damned big cassette collection... And tape decks... Also, there's an 8-Track player in my shed. It still works too.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 09:59pm
by TheLostVikings
Vertigo1 wrote:
Resinence wrote:And can't forget the "10 SECONDS DIGITAL ANTISHOCK SYSTEM!!!" discman with a wired remote hah! Sony got there before apple with the new shuffle :P
You mean the one with the 80 hour battery life? I have that one. :) It got that by caching the songs into RAM, and shutting down the motor that spun the CD.
Oh I can do one better. Mine not only did that, it could read DVDs as well, and since the data is stored in a much physically dense manner than CDs the DVDs only had to spin up a fraction of the time to load a song into memory. And to top it off it could read MP3s as well, meaning loading an entire track into memory took like 1/4th of a second, giving it truly obscene battery life. And way back then, 4.7gigs of Mp3s was a lot to be carrying with you on the go. (of course the original ipod was released at roughly the same time, and we all know how that piece of history played out)

Amazingly I still use it today, because it has an miniUSB jack, so it doubles as an external drive for my tablet and netbook. Being a tiny portable CD/DVD reader/burner... that's right it has POWER BURN (lol), sadly it can't burn DVDs though. It's too old for that, but at least it does cd-Rs and RWs. And since it has its own internal battery it doesn't really impact the run time of my pc when unplugged, which is a nice bonus.

The funny thing is, I was window shopping in bic/yodobashi camera yesterday, and despite all that stuff there being the latest and greatest, nearly all the current external drives are bigger and clunkier than my ancient discmanthingy relic. Even the plain dvd readers w/o any burning capability (and certainly no internal battery) somehow manages to be bigger than my drive, despite it being nearly a decade old... and that just blows my mind. Sony may have a history of shitty software, but their hardware engineering was always top notch.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 10:01pm
by Joviwan
I don't believe for an instant that a 13 year old wrote that review, but it is pretty interesting. I used to have a disc-man years ago. Upgrading from that to an "mp3-cd player" was omgwtfawesome at the time.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 10:04pm
by Losonti Tokash
aerius wrote:Heh, I have 2 working walkmans and a discman, plus a turntable, a vacuum tube radio tuner, and a couple vacuum tube amplifiers. About the only thing I don't have is a reel to reel tape machine and one of those big Victrola record players.

We have a couple iPods but I don't use them, my wife uses the newer one on her daily subway commute while the other one just sits around. I've tried using it from time to time but honestly I prefer my Walkman, there's no tape hiss if the recording's done properly and the playback heads are clean, and I don't need 10,000 songs on the thing at once. But I still don't have a cell phone so what the hell would I know about modern technology & conveniences?
Don't you have fiber optic audio cables? It's probably a safe bet that you're crazy. :P

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-29 11:18pm
by Stargate Nerd
Ah I still remember the "thin" Aiwa and Panasonic "Walkmen" my friends had. They sure were more impressive that my dad's red Sony Walkman.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-30 01:37am
by Death from the Sea
I was thinking more along the lines of the AM/FM walkman versus the tape player.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-30 04:01am
by The_Saint
mmm still have a reel to reel tape drive plugged into my jury rigged home audio system... ancient panasonic discman provides cd input to the record player slash tape deck slash amplifier.
Was weird in highschool when friends were getting the latest and greatest Sony cd players and I was happy because I had a record player...
Got my friends back when got an iPod being apparently one of the first hundred out of the store in Hobart... whooooooooooo... sorta still works today, after it's being playing a while the unit controls lock up and I have to resort to the remote making it the most expensive iPod shuffle in existence but it's had a good life... but including all my girlfriends music gear, the older the 'electronics' the longer it seems to have lasted without major issues, the reel to reel only failed when a rubber drive band perished, the record player has had two replacement needles yet the lcd one cd player no longer works, another's plug pack has died, the battery and controls on my ipod are touch and go (and there's a high pitch squeal which makes me think the drive is dying), an ipod mini has bricked, two O2 XDA phones have bricked and a third can't get signal for no reason), an iPhone bricked and was replaced (yet a friends pocket pc 2000 pda/phone and my nokia 5110 both work fine).


Guess they don't build em like they used to :)

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-30 05:18am
by Covenant
I still have and use a casette player. I've never gotten a strange look for it that I can recall. This article just makes the writer seem a little silly. Sure, an iPod is a more advanced music player, but they're also overkill for a lot of people. I might buy myself an iPod shuffle or something--but for me, the big barrier is iTunes, which I loathe.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-30 10:04am
by Jade Falcon
Stargate Nerd wrote:Ah I still remember the "thin" Aiwa and Panasonic "Walkmen" my friends had. They sure were more impressive that my dad's red Sony Walkman.
God I remember getting a Sony Walkman in a sale, the bulk of the outer casing was metal. If that thing ever dropped out my pocket it kept going, this thing was tough.

In contrast, the Aiwa tape player that came afterwards was as fragile as anything. Later on I had a Technics portable CD player, unfortunately it was one that still skipped on the CD's when walking.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-30 10:08am
by Oskuro
Broomstick wrote:Although my sisters grumble that I can't send/receive text, there no camera, no pictures, no internet, and no ringtones - when it rings it rings like a 1950's style rotary dial phone. BRRRRRRRRING!
When I get a call from the sales reps. from my phone company, they often ask me about the features I want in a cell phone. They are always baffled that it is solely composed of "Be able to place and receive phone calls".

As for the ring tones, I purposely get my cell phones to sound as a classic phone, not only is it delightfully retro, it is also easier to notice than some of the moder ringtones and melodies, and I find it annoying how mostsome people like to inflict their awfulpoor musical taste on others.

I also have an old walkman lying around, but except for a couple tapes with a radio show I did as a school project, there isn't much I'd use it for.

Re: Would you use a Walkman instead of a iPod for a week?

Posted: 2009-06-30 01:05pm
by Ryushikaze
TheLostVikings wrote:The funny thing is, I was window shopping in bic/yodobashi camera yesterday, and despite all that stuff there being the latest and greatest, nearly all the current external drives are bigger and clunkier than my ancient discmanthingy relic. Even the plain dvd readers w/o any burning capability (and certainly no internal battery) somehow manages to be bigger than my drive, despite it being nearly a decade old... and that just blows my mind. Sony may have a history of shitty software, but their hardware engineering was always top notch.
That's not for lack of skill, but for universality of parts and reliability. Most external drives are actually mounted 5.25 drives, with a few being pared down versions, and a much smaller few being Laptop burners placed inside shells.