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Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-09 03:37am
by Gandalf
Running processes:
C:\Program Files\Alienware\Command Center\AlienwareAlienFXController.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\STMicroelectronics\AccelerometerP11\FF_Protection.exe
C:\Program Files\Alienware\Command Center\AlienSense\FATrayMon.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Alienware On-Screen Display\AlienwareOn-ScreenDisplay.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Rapid Storage Technology\IAStorIcon.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe
C:\Program Files\Alienware\Command Center\AlienSense\FATrayAlert.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Java\Java Update\jusched.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
C:\Program Files\Alienware\Command Center\AlienFXHook32Mngr.exe
C:\Program Files\Alienware\Command Center\AlienFusionController.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Apple\Apple Application Support\distnoted.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\iTunes\iTunes.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\AppleMobileDeviceHelper.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\plugin-container.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Trend Micro\HiJackThis\HiJackThis.exe

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://www.alienware.com/
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.alienware.com/
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant =
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch =
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page = C:\Windows\SysWOW64\blank.htm
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings,ProxyOverride = *.local
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName =
F2 - REG:system.ini: UserInit=userinit.exe
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHelperStub - {18DF081C-E8AD-4283-A596-FA578C2EBDC3} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelperShim.dll
O2 - BHO: scriptproxy - {7DB2D5A0-7241-4E79-B68D-6309F01C5231} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\McAfee\SystemCore\ScriptSn.20100801164921.dll
O2 - BHO: URLRedirectionBHO - {B4F3A835-0E21-4959-BA22-42B3008E02FF} - C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office14\URLREDIR.DLL
O2 - BHO: SSOIEAddonBHO - {DA5BCE70-D057-4D63-943D-5F3927EC59F1} - C:\Program Files\Alienware\Command Center\AlienSense\FAIESSO.dll
O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In 2 SSV Helper - {DBC80044-A445-435b-BC74-9C25C1C588A9} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\jp2ssv.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [FATrayAlert] C:\Program Files\Alienware\Command Center\AlienSense\FATrayMon.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ISUSScheduler] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\InstallShield\UpdateService\issch.exe" -start
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AlienwareOn-ScreenDisplay] C:\Program Files (x86)\Alienware On-Screen Display\AlienwareOn-ScreenDisplay.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [IAStorIcon] C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Rapid Storage Technology\IAStorIcon.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [UCam_Menu] "c:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\YouCam\MUITransfer\MUIStartMenu.exe" "c:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\YouCam" UpdateWithCreateOnce "Software\CyberLink\YouCam\2.0"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [mcui_exe] "C:\Program Files\McAfee.com\Agent\mcagent.exe" /runkey
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\QTTask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [iTunesHelper] "C:\Program Files (x86)\iTunes\iTunesHelper.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe Reader Speed Launcher] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Reader 9.0\Reader\Reader_sl.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe ARM] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\ARM\1.0\AdobeARM.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Java\Java Update\jusched.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\RunOnce: [Launcher] C:\Program Files (x86)\Dell DataSafe Local Backup\Components\scheduler\Launcher.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\RunOnce: [STToasterLauncher] C:\Program Files (x86)\Dell DataSafe Local Backup\toasterLauncher.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [uTorrent] "C:\Program Files (x86)\uTorrent\uTorrent.exe"
O4 - .DEFAULT User Startup: IconPackager.lnk = C:\Program Files (x86)\Stardock\MyColors\IconPackager.exe (User 'Default user')
O4 - Global Startup: Bluetooth.lnk = ?
O4 - Global Startup: Stardock MyColors.lnk = C:\Program Files (x86)\Stardock\MyColors\SDDelayedLaunch.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office14\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O8 - Extra context menu item: Se&nd to OneNote - res://C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office14\ONBttnIE.dll/105
O8 - Extra context menu item: Send image to &Bluetooth Device... - c:\Program Files\WIDCOMM\Bluetooth Software\btsendto_ie_ctx.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: Send page to &Bluetooth Device... - c:\Program Files\WIDCOMM\Bluetooth Software\btsendto_ie.htm
O9 - Extra button: Send to OneNote - {2670000A-7350-4f3c-8081-5663EE0C6C49} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONBttnIE.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Se&nd to OneNote - {2670000A-7350-4f3c-8081-5663EE0C6C49} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONBttnIE.dll
O9 - Extra button: OneNote Lin&ked Notes - {789FE86F-6FC4-46A1-9849-EDE0DB0C95CA} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONBttnIELinkedNotes.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: OneNote Lin&ked Notes - {789FE86F-6FC4-46A1-9849-EDE0DB0C95CA} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONBttnIELinkedNotes.dll
O9 - Extra button: Send To Bluetooth - {CCA281CA-C863-46ef-9331-5C8D4460577F} - c:\Program Files\WIDCOMM\Bluetooth Software\btsendto_ie.htm
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Send to &Bluetooth Device... - {CCA281CA-C863-46ef-9331-5C8D4460577F} - c:\Program Files\WIDCOMM\Bluetooth Software\btsendto_ie.htm
O18 - Filter hijack: text/xml - {807573E5-5146-11D5-A672-00B0D022E945} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\OFFICE14\MSOXMLMF.DLL
O20 - AppInit_DLLs: C:\Windows\SysWOW64\nvinit.dll
O20 - Winlogon Notify: FastAccess - C:\Program Files\Alienware\Command Center\AlienSense\FALogNot.dll
O23 - Service: Andrea RT Filters Service (AERTFilters) - Andrea Electronics Corporation - C:\Program Files\Realtek\Audio\HDA\AERTSr64.exe
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\Alg.exe,-112 (ALG) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\alg.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Alienware Fusion Service (AlienFusionService) - Alienware - C:\Program Files\Alienware\Command Center\AlienFusionService.exe
O23 - Service: Apple Mobile Device - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\AppleMobileDeviceService.exe
O23 - Service: Bonjour Service - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Bonjour\mDNSResponder.exe
O23 - Service: Bluetooth Service (btwdins) - Broadcom Corporation. - c:\Program Files\WIDCOMM\Bluetooth Software\btwdins.exe
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\efssvc.dll,-100 (EFS) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: FAService - Sensible Vision - C:\Program Files\Alienware\Command Center\AlienSense\FAService.exe
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\fxsresm.dll,-118 (Fax) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\fxssvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Google Update Service (gupdate) (gupdate) - Google Inc. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Update\GoogleUpdate.exe
O23 - Service: Intel(R) Rapid Storage Technology (IAStorDataMgrSvc) - Intel Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Rapid Storage Technology\IAStorDataMgrSvc.exe
O23 - Service: InstallDriver Table Manager (IDriverT) - Macrovision Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\InstallShield\Driver\1050\Intel 32\IDriverT.exe
O23 - Service: FF Install Filter Service (InstallFilterService) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files (x86)\STMicroelectronics\AccelerometerP11\InstallFilterService.exe
O23 - Service: iPod Service - Apple Inc. - C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
O23 - Service: @keyiso.dll,-100 (KeyIso) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: McAfee Personal Firewall Service (McMPFSvc) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\McAfee\McSvcHost\McSvHost.exe
O23 - Service: McAfee Services (mcmscsvc) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\mcafee\McSvcHost\McSvHost.exe
O23 - Service: McAfee VirusScan Announcer (McNaiAnn) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\mcafee\McSvcHost\McSvHost.exe
O23 - Service: McAfee Network Agent (McNASvc) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\mcafee\McSvcHost\McSvHost.exe
O23 - Service: McAfee Scanner (McODS) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\Program Files\mcafee\VirusScan\mcods.exe
O23 - Service: McAfee Proxy Service (McProxy) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\mcafee\McSvcHost\McSvHost.exe
O23 - Service: McShield - McAfee, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\McAfee\SystemCore\\mcshield.exe
O23 - Service: McAfee Firewall Core Service (mfefire) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\McAfee\SystemCore\\mfefire.exe
O23 - Service: McAfee Validation Trust Protection Service (mfevtp) - McAfee, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Common Files\McAfee\SystemCore\mfevtps.exe
O23 - Service: @comres.dll,-2797 (MSDTC) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\msdtc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\System32\netlogon.dll,-102 (Netlogon) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Display Driver Service (nvsvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\nvvsvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Update Service Daemon (nvUpdatusService) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\NVIDIA Updatus\daemonu.exe
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\psbase.dll,-300 (ProtectedStorage) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\Locator.exe,-2 (RpcLocator) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\locator.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\samsrv.dll,-1 (SamSs) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: SoftThinks Agent Service (SftService) - SoftThinks - C:\Program Files (x86)\Dell DataSafe Local Backup\sftservice.EXE
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\snmptrap.exe,-3 (SNMPTRAP) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\snmptrap.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\spoolsv.exe,-1 (Spooler) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\spoolsv.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\sppsvc.exe,-101 (sppsvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\sppsvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Steam Client Service - Valve Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Steam\SteamService.exe
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\ui0detect.exe,-101 (UI0Detect) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\UI0Detect.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\vaultsvc.dll,-1003 (VaultSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\vds.exe,-100 (vds) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\vds.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\vssvc.exe,-102 (VSS) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\vssvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\Wat\WatUX.exe,-601 (WatAdminSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\Wat\WatAdminSvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\wbengine.exe,-104 (wbengine) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\wbengine.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Stardock WindowBlinds (WindowBlinds) - Stardock Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Stardock\MyColors\VistaSrv.exe
O23 - Service: DW WLAN Tray Service (wltrysvc) - Dell Inc. - C:\Program Files\Dell\DW WLAN Card\WLTRYSVC.EXE
O23 - Service: @%Systemroot%\system32\wbem\wmiapsrv.exe,-110 (wmiApSrv) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\wbem\WmiApSrv.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service (WMPNetworkSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Player\wmpnetwk.exe (file missing)
I've been away from Windows since April 2008. Should there be this much crap running?

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-09 03:39am
by Stark
Buy student update to 7.

Install MSE.

Stop installing McAffee products. :)

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-09 04:32am
by Sarevok
What do you think would be a good anti virus for Windows 7 ?

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-09 04:46am
by Xon
Microsoft Security Essentials. It has basicly set the bar on low resource usage, automatic updating in a way which isn't fucking retarded and not doing stupid shit. Oh and it's free and uses the same Windows Updates as the rest of Microsoft software so it likely isn't going to evaporate anytime soon (like AVG free basicly did).

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-09 06:47pm
by Wing Commander MAD
Now if only they'd start bundling MSE into Windows as a core component that can be disabled if a third party option is desired (like Windows Firewall). Maybe, just maybe there wouldn't be untold millions of idiots surfing the web with no anti virus software whatsoever. Also, before anyone brings up anything about monoply issues (ie IE and the EU), I'd rather have people lose a bit of freedom in thier software choice if they don't know how to use a computer other than surf the web and play card games, than have the cost of people browsing unprotected. Essentially, I view anti virus software similar to vaccines.

Back on topic, I gather you're potentially concerned about resource usage from the sound of your post. If your concern isn't that, but malware then feel free to ignore the rest of this post. My understanding is that you generally don't need to worry about disabling services and the like with Vista and Win7 like you did on older versions. That said, what version of windows are you running? It looks to be a 64-bit version so I'm guessing either Vista or Windows 7 as 64-bit XP was never that common IIRC. You can probably axe the Apple stuff (at least QuickTime) as well as the Adobe stuff from launching when windows starts if you're concerned about resource usage. Though to be honest, I really doubt you'll free up that many system resources. I can't really comment on the benefits of the Alienware stuff, unfortunately. Really the biggest performance hit is likely to come from the McAffee stuff as Stark implied.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-09 07:15pm
by Gandalf
Wing Commander MAD wrote:Now if only they'd start bundling MSE into Windows as a core component that can be disabled if a third party option is desired (like Windows Firewall). Maybe, just maybe there wouldn't be untold millions of idiots surfing the web with no anti virus software whatsoever. Also, before anyone brings up anything about monoply issues (ie IE and the EU), I'd rather have people lose a bit of freedom in thier software choice if they don't know how to use a computer other than surf the web and play card games, than have the cost of people browsing unprotected. Essentially, I view anti virus software similar to vaccines.

Back on topic, I gather you're potentially concerned about resource usage from the sound of your post. If your concern isn't that, but malware then feel free to ignore the rest of this post. My understanding is that you generally don't need to worry about disabling services and the like with Vista and Win7 like you did on older versions. That said, what version of windows are you running? It looks to be a 64-bit version so I'm guessing either Vista or Windows 7 as 64-bit XP was never that common IIRC. You can probably axe the Apple stuff (at least QuickTime) as well as the Adobe stuff from launching when windows starts if you're concerned about resource usage. Though to be honest, I really doubt you'll free up that many system resources. I can't really comment on the benefits of the Alienware stuff, unfortunately. Really the biggest performance hit is likely to come from the McAffee stuff as Stark implied.
My primary concern is that when I run Empire Total War, it is now quite slow and jerky. Now when I move the mouse to the side of the screen, it won't scroll for a few seconds. That was not the case a few weeks ago.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-09 07:20pm
by Stark
So uninstall McAffee rubbish, get MSE, see what happens. Maintenance really isn't the arcane art nerds like to pretend it is.

Of course, Empire could just be a poorly coded pile of shit with crazy problems. MSE can't fix that. :)

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-09 08:05pm
by General Zod
Sarevok wrote:What do you think would be a good anti virus for Windows 7 ?
Malwarebytes. Stay the fuck away from Norton though. Buggy piece of shit that won't catch the worst shit that you can get off the web.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-09 08:51pm
by Stark
I really don't see the point in paying for antivirus anymore. I used to use NOD, which was the absolute shit, but MSE is just as good, better integrated, and free.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-10 03:49pm
by Uraniun235
You don't even need 7 to download and run MSE, I use it on my old laptop running XP at home.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-10 08:13pm
by Stark
Besides poverty there is no reason to use XP over 7, even for netbooks etc.

Oh and being fat and repeating nerd mantras that pass for technical knowledge. :lol:

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-11 11:21am
by phongn
Stark wrote:Besides poverty there is no reason to use XP over 7, even for netbooks etc.
Older machines that are RAM constrained?

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-11 12:08pm
by Marcus Aurelius
phongn wrote:
Stark wrote:Besides poverty there is no reason to use XP over 7, even for netbooks etc.
Older machines that are RAM constrained?
7 is much less of a RAM hog than Vista used to be, because video memory is longer virtualized in system RAM. That said, I wouldn't try running 7 with anything less than 1 GiB of memory, because that is the official minimum. I don't know if it will install, but it certainly won't run smoothly. For systems with 1-2 GiB my almost infallible intuition says that XP will still be faster in most tasks, but 7 is certainly quite usable. I also suspect that XP might run faster in single processor core systems. However, for multi-core 7 is better, and XP won't even utilize more than two cores.

Many Netbooks still come with only 1 GiB of memory, so I wouldn't subscribe to Stark's assertion of "no reason" without reservations. But of course if Stark can come up with a link to a performance test that proves me wrong, I am willing to concede.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-11 12:26pm
by phongn
Marcus Aurelius wrote:
phongn wrote:
Stark wrote:Besides poverty there is no reason to use XP over 7, even for netbooks etc.
Older machines that are RAM constrained?
7 is much less of a RAM hog than Vista used to be, because video memory is longer virtualized in system RAM. That said, I wouldn't try running 7 with anything less than 1 GiB of memory, because that is the official minimum. I don't know if it will install, but it certainly won't run smoothly. For systems with 1-2 GiB my almost infallible intuition says that XP will still be faster in most tasks, but 7 is certainly quite usable. I also suspect that XP might run faster in single processor core systems. However, for multi-core 7 is better, and XP won't even utilize more than two cores.
I've used Windows 7 in VMs with less than 1GB but not with any heavy multi-application loads. It's reasonably responsive.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-11 01:47pm
by Tolya
phongn wrote:
Stark wrote:Besides poverty there is no reason to use XP over 7, even for netbooks etc.
Older machines that are RAM constrained?
Also, that falls into the poverty category.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-11 02:49pm
by General Zod
Marcus Aurelius wrote:
phongn wrote:
Stark wrote:Besides poverty there is no reason to use XP over 7, even for netbooks etc.
Older machines that are RAM constrained?
7 is much less of a RAM hog than Vista used to be, because video memory is longer virtualized in system RAM. That said, I wouldn't try running 7 with anything less than 1 GiB of memory, because that is the official minimum. I don't know if it will install, but it certainly won't run smoothly. For systems with 1-2 GiB my almost infallible intuition says that XP will still be faster in most tasks, but 7 is certainly quite usable. I also suspect that XP might run faster in single processor core systems. However, for multi-core 7 is better, and XP won't even utilize more than two cores.

Many Netbooks still come with only 1 GiB of memory, so I wouldn't subscribe to Stark's assertion of "no reason" without reservations. But of course if Stark can come up with a link to a performance test that proves me wrong, I am willing to concede.
They make a version of Windows 7 specifically for netbooks. It's not like you're going to get a netbook because they're performance beasts.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-11 05:48pm
by Stark
7 even boots faster on netbooks than xp.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-12 05:49pm
by Marcus Aurelius
Stark wrote:7 even boots faster on netbooks than xp.
7 has partially parallelized booting but XP doesn't, so boot performance tells us absolutely nothing about application level performance.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-12 05:54pm
by Stark
I guess that's why I said 'even', as it's additional. I've seen 7 run better than the shipped xp install on two netbooks, and withering about multi-tasking and ram is ludicrous. They're netbooks. Using 7 doesn't cripple them but they're still just netbooks.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-12 05:56pm
by General Zod
Marcus Aurelius wrote:
Stark wrote:7 even boots faster on netbooks than xp.
7 has partially parallelized booting but XP doesn't, so boot performance tells us absolutely nothing about application level performance.
Applications run about as fast as you'd expect them to on a single core processor that's generally less than 2ghz. It just means it takes a few extra seconds for Word or Firefox to boot up instead of instant.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-12 06:10pm
by Stark
Are you arguing with his infallible intuition? 7 runs like dogshit on 256/512 (ie, the very first eeePCs) but any of the modern lot are fine, and ironically the better compatibility of 7 means running shit old games (ie the only games that'll work on a netbook) is easier.

And a computer that sold for $300 two years ago counts as 'poverty'. :)

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-12 06:21pm
by General Zod
Stark wrote:Are you arguing with his infallible intuition? 7 runs like dogshit on 256/512 (ie, the very first eeePCs) but any of the modern lot are fine, and ironically the better compatibility of 7 means running shit old games (ie the only games that'll work on a netbook) is easier.

And a computer that sold for $300 two years ago counts as 'poverty'. :)
I actually have an HP mini netbook running Win 7. But that's just because I didn't want to carry around my 18" desktop replacement for internet access. (I can't go back to xp after running Win 7 for the last year.)

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-12 08:04pm
by Marcus Aurelius
Stark wrote:Are you arguing with his infallible intuition? 7 runs like dogshit on 256/512 (ie, the very first eeePCs) but any of the modern lot are fine, and ironically the better compatibility of 7 means running shit old games (ie the only games that'll work on a netbook) is easier.
Like I wrote, until someone produces actual test numbers, I trust my intuition on this matter. But like I also wrote, 7 does run acceptably on the latest generation of 1 GiB netbooks. That still does not mean that there is no reason to run XP on them or other systems with similar amount of RAM and processor performance.

An analogy from history: XP runs acceptably on any system with at least 256 MiB of main memory (some would say 128 or 192 MiB, but they are patient folks, especially if any kind of multi-tasking is involved) and a Pentium III level processor, but up to 384 MiB W2k is faster, and about this there are actual test results at least with the applications available at the time it was relevant. Similar examples could be produced from NT 4.0 and W2k, but of course with smaller amounts of RAM.

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-12 08:11pm
by Stark
That, also, falls under 'poverty'. Its hilarious that you reject actual experience due to your 'intuition' (ie, baseless imaginings), but then you appear to be the sort of 'nerd' who mendaciously uses MIBBIES and GIBBIES even when there is no possible scope for confusion, so you're probably happier with XP anyway. Once you've started it and opened your browser, 7 is probably fine on 512 and thus 99% of netbook users.

As alluded to by Zod, there is no fucking way I'll ever use XP again because it sucks so much shit. Unless your computer really, really sucks (ie, costs less than a 7 licence) there is no reason to still be using it, although doubtless people will keep using it for a decade and then whinge when support gets cut while bragging about their LOW DRAG INSTALLS just like with 9x. :)

Re: Back to Windows, and running HijackThis

Posted: 2010-09-12 08:44pm
by JointStrikeFighter
Stark wrote:Are you arguing with his infallible intuition? 7 runs like dogshit on 256/512 (ie, the very first eeePCs) but any of the modern lot are fine, and ironically the better compatibility of 7 means running shit old games (ie the only games that'll work on a netbook) is easier.

And a computer that sold for $300 two years ago counts as 'poverty'. :)
Dude 7 ran fine on my EEE900 with a fucking 900mhz Celeron and 1gb RAM.