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Intel did release Sandy Bridge and there was **A RECALL**

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Tom's Hardware's Review
Tom's wrote:No doubt, there’s a lot going on in this launch. The Sandy Bridge introduction hits a number of high notes that have me dusting off an award, while simultaneously compelling me to cringe at a couple of Intel’s clumsier moves.

Let’s start with the bad, so I can wrap up on a positive note for the New Year.

Overclocking isn’t handled well at all. Really, the only viable option for power users is a K-series SKU. That’s not entirely bad, of course. Less than one year ago, the only unlocked option in Intel’s portfolio was priced at $999. The fact that we have a couple of choices in the $200 and $300 ranges is great. But the limited overclocking (Core i5/i7) and outright lack of options (Core i3) strikes a sour chord sure to burn off a lot of the enthusiast equity Intel earned by launching the K-series chips last year.

The graphics situation, at least on the desktop, is also pretty whacky. Of the 14 models introduced at launch, the two best suited to enthusiast-oriented gaming machines with discrete GPUs are the ones armed with Intel’s HD Graphics 3000 engine. The other 12—conceivably candidates for more mainstream gaming builds, office desktops, and HTPCs—sport the downright average HD Graphics 2000 implementation.

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Those two gripes out of the way, how could we not be impressed by Sandy Bridge’s performance? Existing Lynnfield- and Clarkdale-based processors already offer strong performance compared to AMD’s lineup. Significant gains, clock-for-clock, compound in the face of notable frequency increases across the board (thanks to a mature 32 nm process), giving Sandy Bridge an even more commanding position.

I’m also a big fan of Quick Sync. Neither AMD nor Nvidia have an answer to Intel’s decode/encode acceleration, and they’re not expected to any time soon. If you do a lot of video editing or transcoding, an upgrade to Sandy Bridge might be warranted based solely on the time you’ll save by virtue of this feature. Kudos to Intel for getting developer support lined up right out of the gate, too. If the graphics guys could rally the software industry as quickly, we'd already be swimming in CUDA- and APP-accelerated titles.

If there was one Sandy Bridge-based SKU that I’d personally recommend to friends and family building new PCs, it’d be the Core i5-2500K. Its performance relative to AMD’s lineup and the rest of Intel’s stack is noteworthy—especially given its price tag just north of $200. The i5-2500K circumvents Sandy Bridge's overclocking challenges with an unlocked multiplier, and I'm counting on gamers to drop it onto a P67-based motherboard, skirting the integrated graphics debate entirely.

And while this is only the second time in two and a half years that I’ve dusted off the Recommended Buy award for a very deserving processor, you’d better believe I have an eye to the future, waiting to see how AMD’s Bulldozer architecture contends with Intel’s ever-plodding tick-tock cadence.
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PC Pro wrote:Pricing and Availability
All of the quad-core variants of the Sandy Bridge processors we looked at today should be available in the next week or so with the dual-core versions coming maybe a month later. Intel's street pricing looks like this:

* Core i7-2600K - $317
* Core i5 2500K - $216
* Core i5-2400 - $184
* Core i3-2100 - $117

All things considered, I think these prices are very compelling and it's going to hard to keep the Core i7-2600K out of multiple locations on our Hardware Leaderboard for long.

Intel's Sandy Bridge architecture is finally here and I was impressed at nearly every turn. The Core i7-2600K should quickly become the mid-range processor of choice for gamers and enthusiasts alike with a combination of performance and value we haven't seen in a long time. Even the lower end Core i3-2100 and Core i5-2400 impressed on the performance front and are actually starting out lower than any Lynnfield processors on the market making them an easy selection for a budget build. The inclusion of the Quick Sync Video is a great feature for consumers and should finally push fast transcoding to the entire market - something the GPU guys have been striving for years now. If only Intel could figure out this whole Intel HD Graphics 3000/2000 segmentation thing, they might have had one of the best and most complete processor launches I can remember. Even as it stands now though, the 2nd Generation Intel Core Processor family is again pushing Intel forward as the dominant microprocessor brand.
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Bit-tech wrote:The Core i5-2500K amazed us with its stock-speed performance – it even beat the epic £750 Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition in the image editing and multi-threaded video encoding tests. Only the higher multi-tasking score of the i7-980X prevented the i5-2500K from being faster overall than the mighty 6-core super-CPU in everyday applications.

The Sandy Bridge lineup gives us some of the easiest conclusions to write that we've ever come across: the new range of Intel CPUs renders almost every other processor redundant and pointless. Only if you need incredible performance in multi-threaded applications should you look beyond the Core i5-2500K for your next CPU.
The long and short of it? The new Sandy bridge CPU/GPU's from Intel kick ass, the K series I5-2500k (200$) and Core i7-2600K (300$) kick all kinds of ass and go to 4ghtz with stock cooling with no voltage tweaks. With voltage tweaks most are hitting close 5ghtz with just stock intel air cooling Which is @#$#@$ phenomenal from an over-clockers prospective because it means that water cooling systems might be able to hit 6ghtz and we might see 7-8 ghtz from vapor-chill or nitrogen based crazy test setups .

The GPU still suck balls but it does not suck as much as the previous generations of it. It can now handle HD video properly so it's suitable for home theater systems finally and even play 2007 games with everything turned on. I'd be interested to see the laptop versions of this chip in six months because the Core I5-2500k runs cool if it uses way to much juice for a laptop processor (75 watts at idle) but since the GPU adds nothing on top you might see the first decent mid-sized laptops that combine decent graphics and 5 hour run times soon.

Soon as I can scrap together 600$ I'll be upgrading to a I5-2500k or I7-2600k because it looks like it's going to be a massive step up.

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To get more in depth on the Sandy Bridge GPU I present the following images, all credit goes to Tom's Hardware who ran the tests and put together the pretty graphics.

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FPS is average and all tests were run on the I5-2500k at 3.2 ghtz (The 2000's were set to 3.2 ghtz as well)
To note a Radeon 5550 is a 50$ card you can find most places online, the Radeon HD 4550 is a 25$ card some places but retails the same as a 5550. These are the cheapest of the Radeon's of this and last generation.

All Sandy Bridges have a GPU but only the enthusiast K models have the 3000 graphics while the I3's have the 2000 which is better than last years terrible Intel GPU's But event he best 3000 can barely compete with the worst Radeon.

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Sandy Bridge GPU is fine considering it is for the very low end of the market. The performance matters more in mobile where all SB GPUs will be the 3000-series and it should provide a good baseline that is as fast as the $50 discreet cards. Very impressive.

What's most impressive about Sandy Bridge is the mobile performance--7 hours of battery life with a quad core mobile CPU that is 50-100% faster than the previous generation? WOW. If I was in the market for a laptop right now I would be waiting with baited breath.
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Was thinking of making a thread for this but I didn't think anybody here would care. I'm looking to purchase an entirely new rig to upgrade from my current (AMD Athlon 3500+, GeForce 7600 GT :lol: ), and I was putting it off until Sandy Bridge dropped. So glad I waited! 4.4 GHz on stock cooling here I come.

I've just gotta make sure I nap a P67 instead of H67 Mobo for it, since I don't care about integrated graphics and want to OC this beast.
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The Kernel wrote:What's most impressive about Sandy Bridge is the mobile performance--7 hours of battery life with a quad core mobile CPU that is 50-100% faster than the previous generation? WOW. If I was in the market for a laptop right now I would be waiting with baited breath.
Wait, what? Where'd you get those numbers? I've not seen mobile performance data yet.

I'm fairly interested in AMD Bobcat right now for the little netbook market. I'd also like ECC for tiny little servers ...
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phongn wrote: Wait, what? Where'd you get those numbers? I've not seen mobile performance data yet.

I'm fairly interested in AMD Bobcat right now for the little netbook market. I'd also like ECC for tiny little servers ...
Take a look here but be prepared to receive a pretty major shock. No one expected battery life numbers like this and this is for the 45W TDP quad. Can you imagine what the 17W ULV processor is going to look like?

Have a look at the performance numbers too...this thing kicks the crap out of a desktop i7-920 processor and leaves the previous mobile quads in the dust. It's as massive of a blowout as I've ever seen.
I'm fairly interested in AMD Bobcat right now for the little netbook market. I'd also like ECC for tiny little servers ...
Given the link above, the only reason to choose Bobcat is going to be because of price. Sandy Bridge looks like a mobile wonderchip with battery life numbers like that.
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The Kernel wrote:Take a look here but be prepared to receive a pretty major shock. No one expected battery life numbers like this and this is for the 45W TDP quad. Can you imagine what the 17W ULV processor is going to look like?
That's freaking amazing.
Given the link above, the only reason to choose Bobcat is going to be because of price. Sandy Bridge looks like a mobile wonderchip with battery life numbers like that.
Bobcat has a place for little tiny machines - and those things do sell like hotcakes. 9W Ontario should beat the tar out of Atom - but 18W Zacate now has stiff competition.
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phongn wrote: Bobcat has a place for little tiny machines - and those things do sell like hotcakes. 9W Ontario should beat the tar out of Atom - but 18W Zacate now has stiff competition.
Oh it definitely has its niche, but my point is that it is now competing with Intel pretty much on price alone. It's hard to see too many situations where Bobcat is going to have an advantage over Sandy Bridge (sure the low powered ones are rated at 9W but how much of a difference is that actually going to be in battery life vs. the 17W Sandy Bridge ULVs?) and as we've seen, the TDP numbers for Sandy Bridge may be a tad inflated. Performance wise it's going to get knocked around so hard it isn't even funny.

I also wouldn't rule out Cedar Trail--word is it has been moved up to Q2 2011. The integrated memory controller is going to be a big boost for performance and rumor has it the GPU has been massively reworked as well. Given what we've seen of Bobcat so far it just may be enough to catch up and catch AMD stuck between Cedar Trail on the low end and the untouchable Sandy Bridge on the high end.

I think Sandy Bridge pretty much puts a nail in the coffin for any of AMD's mainstream mobile products in the foreseeable future. There is just no conceivable way that Llano is going to be able to catch up to Sandy Bridge--sure the graphics portion of the chip will be strong but on CPU and power it is going to get skullfucked by this new chip.
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The Kernel wrote:I think Sandy Bridge pretty much puts a nail in the coffin for any of AMD's mainstream mobile products in the foreseeable future. There is just no conceivable way that Llano is going to be able to catch up to Sandy Bridge--sure the graphics portion of the chip will be strong but on CPU and power it is going to get skullfucked by this new chip.
Sandy Bridge is putting the nail in the coffin of AMD's mainstream products all across the board, really. Lower-end AMD can fight on price and Bulldozer looks interesting for server and HPC workloads (at least until Sandy Bridge 2S/4S comes out)
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Those power/preformance numbers amazing, another amazing thing was the mobile GPU preformance, the 3000 built into the mobile sandy bridge is per Anandtech's testing 130% more powerful that the last generation of Intels IGP of last year. Still not as great as even the mid-range mobile GPU's but it gives you a stark idea of how bad the old intel GPU's were since the IGP was beat by 310% by the "mid" range Nvidia 425's. Still kudos to them.

Glad I ran out of money to buy a laptop when I did since I'd be kicking myself around the block considering how much of a massive improvement this is.

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Intel has forced AMD into the role of bottom feeder by preventing overclocks on their chips without the "-k" suffix. Even low end chips competing with i3 will have OC on AMD, whereas iirc the i3 chips can't overclock at all. Given that the incredible OCing is one of the chief advantages of Sandy Bridge, the lower priced AMD chips suddenly look attractive for the low budget PC.

OCing will be less important for the mobile market of course since fewer people are interested in doing it.
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adam_grif wrote:Intel has forced AMD into the role of bottom feeder by preventing overclocks on their chips without the "-k" suffix. Even low end chips competing with i3 will have OC on AMD, whereas iirc the i3 chips can't overclock at all. Given that the incredible OCing is one of the chief advantages of Sandy Bridge, the lower priced AMD chips suddenly look attractive for the low budget PC.
Overclocking is a chief advantage for hobbyists but not the mainstream market (outside dynamic overclocking). Hobbyists have never been the bread and butter of either company.
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In amongst all this performance cheering, apparently Intel is building DRM onto the chip with Sandy Bridge...

The Inquirer wrote:Intel's Sandy Bridge sucks up to Hollywood with DRM
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Mon Jan 03 2011, 11:01 CHIPMAKER Intel has cut a deal with Hollywood in its Sandy Bridge chips to put digital restrictions management (DRM) in them.

Intel's sellout to the big media companies makes it 'safer' for Hollywood studios to offer premium movies to consumers on locked-down personal computers. No doubt the media content cartels and Intel are dreaming monopolistic visions of extracting big rents to stream everything online.

According to Reuters, Time Warner's digital distribution unit and other studios plan to offer high-definition movies to consumers who have PCs with Intel Sandy Bridge chips inside, simultaneous with releasing them on DVD.

Apparently the media cartels are dead keen to get their content on PCs that are locked-down even to the level of the chip.

Mooly Eden, Intel's VP and general manager of the PC client group said that Intel's embedded DRM allows content to be streamed to computers with Sandy Bridge chips and that Chipzilla is making deals with all the studios and content distributors to make it available.

So while punters will get saddled with DRM on their computers, Intel thinks that it can suck them in and buy them off with improved multimedia processing.

Intel's Sandy Bridge chip designs combine central processing and graphics functions on the same piece of silicon, making them faster, more energy efficient, and likely more profitable.

But Chipzilla is taking a big gamble. As with Intel's earlier, aborted scheme to put a serial number in every CPU chip, it is possible that consumers will refuse to buy the chips because of the DRM lock-down.

It is questionable whether Hollywood making available paid-for content through its toll-booth outlets will be seen as an advantage or a drawback, and will on balance attract the PC punters.
Reuters wrote:Intel woos Hollywood studios with new microchip
(Reuters) - Intel Corp's new microchips, touted as its biggest-ever leap in processing power, include built-in content protection to make it safer for Hollywood studios to offer premium movies to consumers over their personal computers.

Time Warner Inc's Warner Bros Digital Distribution and other studios plan to offer high-definition movies to consumers whose computers use the chips, code-named Sandy Bridge, at the same time as they are released on DVD, Mooly Eden, Intel's vice president and general manager of the PC Client Group, told Reuters last week.

"We have been able to develop an end-to-end solution that will allow the premium content to be streamed to (computers with Sandy Bridge chips)", Eden said in an interview. "We are striking all the deals with the (studios and content distributors) to make it available."

The processors, recently shipped to manufacturers, are a big bet as Santa Clara, California-based Intel wrestles with a weak U.S. economy and sluggish consumer demand for PCs.

As well as protecting studios from piracy, the chips, which Intel will showcase at this week's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, include improved multimedia processing.
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How is that going to stop people from downloading movies over torrents? Or is this only going to affect people who pay for legit digital copies?
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It's not going to affect anyone. It just a feature designed for set-top boxes. So it's possible the next Apple TV might make use of this, but it's not designed for computers.
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iirc the sandy bridge range also features a remote deactivation code to kill processors in "stolen laptops" or something. Would be pretty disastrous if it got exploited in some way.
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adam_grif wrote:iirc the sandy bridge range also features a remote deactivation code to kill processors in "stolen laptops" or something. Would be pretty disastrous if it got exploited in some way.
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You can't, it's a feature. I just checked on the news articles about it, and luckily it's only featured on the products they're going to ship to large corporations. So my worries were for nothing :)
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adam_grif wrote:You can't, it's a feature. I just checked on the news articles about it, and luckily it's only featured on the products they're going to ship to large corporations. So my worries were for nothing :)
Oh, it's probably related to vPro/AMT.
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adam_grif wrote:You can't, it's a feature. I just checked on the news articles about it, and luckily it's only featured on the products they're going to ship to large corporations. So my worries were for nothing :)
The problem with that is of course, that people might still find a way to activate this feature in other chips. I would rather just not have it in my chip in the first place.
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Skgoa wrote:The problem with that is of course, that people might still find a way to activate this feature in other chips. I would rather just not have it in my chip in the first place.
It's probably only going to be in the enterprise version of the chipsets (i.e. those that support vPro, AMT, etc.) and even then it'd probably require some PKI to deal with. How is this any different than LoJack?
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Yeah, if at the factory level the 'kill' switch is hard disabled for mainstream purchases, but a separate line is produced for the big vendors for big enterprise lines or something, then that would make sense, as always the weak link in these things are the people in control of the kill switch.

Still, it appears to be a bit of a 'meh' thing for me; the big deal in stealing big enterprise hardware is the data, not the computer per se, killing the CPU isn't going to do anything to stop people ripping out HDD's after all.

I have to say though, those power consumption figures... :shock:

I'd like to see some more benchmarking run, but bloody hell...what that will mean for the portable computer world...
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Information from Here
Results are representative of 100 D2 CPUs that were binned and tested for stability under load; these results will most likely represent retail CPUs.

1. Approximately 50% of CPUs can go up to 4.4~4.5 GHz

2. Approximately 40% of CPUs can go up to 4.6~4.7 GHz

3. Approximately 10% of CPUs can go up to 4.8~5 GHz (50+ multipliers are about 2% of this group)
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Chris OFarrell wrote:Still, it appears to be a bit of a 'meh' thing for me; the big deal in stealing big enterprise hardware is the data, not the computer per se, killing the CPU isn't going to do anything to stop people ripping out HDD's after all.
Onboard TPM module + full disk encryption? It's also handy if the laptop is merely lost (and the remote admin can put a "hey, call this number!" on it)
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The Sandybridge chips have hit the market. The 2600k at 320$ most places the 2500k at 230$ or less. I've snapped up my 2600k and am gearing up for the good old fashion full upgrade of motherboard, memory and processor, hooray for formating.

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