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Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 11:53am
by Mr Bean
Always on DRM, Great idea!
Always on DRM+Not always on Servers=Strong incentive to Pirate the games I legitimately purchased.
Kotaku wrote:
Some of Ubisoft’s PC Games Won’t Work Next Week. Not Even Singleplayer.
Next week, Ubisoft will be moving around some of its servers. What this means for those of you saddled with Ubisoft PC (and Mac!) games that have restrictive DRM is that, in some cases, your games won't work while the move takes place. At all.
PC games affected include Tom Clancy's HAWX 2, Might & Magic: Heroes 6 and The Settlers 7. Mac games similarly going all busted will be Assassin's Creed, Splinter Cell Conviction and The Settlers.
Those games above will be completely inaccessible while the move takes place. Worryingly, there's no ETA on how long the move will take place.
In addition, the multiplayer components of many Ubisoft games, both on PC and console, will be "impacted" as well.
This makes the argument that Gabe Newell of Valve that this type of DRM means that the pirated DRM versions are superior to the purchased product.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 12:29pm
by Block
Mr Bean wrote:Always on DRM, Great idea!
Always on DRM+Not always on Servers=Strong incentive to Pirate the games I legitimately purchased.
Kotaku wrote:
Some of Ubisoft’s PC Games Won’t Work Next Week. Not Even Singleplayer.
Next week, Ubisoft will be moving around some of its servers. What this means for those of you saddled with Ubisoft PC (and Mac!) games that have restrictive DRM is that, in some cases, your games won't work while the move takes place. At all.
PC games affected include Tom Clancy's HAWX 2, Might & Magic: Heroes 6 and The Settlers 7. Mac games similarly going all busted will be Assassin's Creed, Splinter Cell Conviction and The Settlers.
Those games above will be completely inaccessible while the move takes place. Worryingly, there's no ETA on how long the move will take place.
In addition, the multiplayer components of many Ubisoft games, both on PC and console, will be "impacted" as well.
This makes the argument that Gabe Newell of Valve that this type of DRM means that the pirated DRM versions are superior to the purchased product.
I really love that because I purchased a new computer they tell me that my cd key isn't valid anymore when I tried to play The settlers 7, and they have no record of the electronic transaction as proof that I bought it even though it's somehow magically on my steam account, but that's not good enough for them.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 02:38pm
by Ryan Thunder
Block wrote:I really love that because I purchased a new computer they tell me that my cd key isn't valid anymore when I tried to play The settlers 7, and they have no record of the electronic transaction as proof that I bought it even though it's somehow magically on my steam account, but that's not good enough for them.
Time to demand your money back.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 03:33pm
by Skgoa
That form of DRM will NEVER be a problem, who doesn't have internet 24/7?
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 04:45pm
by Purple
Skgoa wrote:That form of DRM will NEVER be a problem, who doesn't have internet 24/7?
Apparently the company that said that.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 04:50pm
by Brother-Captain Gaius
Man, they're still keeping this shit up? There are so many Ubisoft games I'd like to buy. It's like they don't want my money.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 05:06pm
by someone_else
And the fun fact is that perfectly working pirated versions will still keep coming after a couple months at most after the official release regardless of this shit they constantly pull off.
I don't understand why they are making it so frustrating for the ones wishing to be legit.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 05:22pm
by Thanas
Everybody saw this coming.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 05:27pm
by Skgoa
someone_else wrote: after a couple months at most
Did you mean:
on launch day?
Joking aside, every release that I care to actually take the 30 seconds to look, pirated versions are out within hours of the game being in store somewhere in the world. Which often results in games being available for download days before the official release, since shops put them on the shelves ASAP. I remember chuckling at the thread on 4chan/v/ in which everyone had the crack for Anno1404 ready but nobody had bought and uploaded the game, yet.
The launch of GTA4 was especially bad: Rockstar had gloated on their forums that they had spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on DRM and yet cracks were on Piratebay 5(!) days before the game came out.
I like to pay for a good product, even if I have the opportunity to get it for free. Maybe game publishers should try that approach instead of trying to fight copyright infringement by punishing paying customers.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 08:15pm
by Edward Yee
Skgoa wrote:The launch of GTA4 was especially bad: Rockstar had gloated on their forums that they had spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on DRM and yet cracks were on Piratebay 5(!) days before the game came out.
Aren't those always a case of inside jobs?
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 09:18pm
by weemadando
Edward Yee wrote:Skgoa wrote:The launch of GTA4 was especially bad: Rockstar had gloated on their forums that they had spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on DRM and yet cracks were on Piratebay 5(!) days before the game came out.
Aren't those always a case of inside jobs?
Yeah, but it still makes a complete mockery of DRM.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 09:22pm
by Stark
Only if you assume DRM is aimed at hardcore pirates, which it isn't.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 09:27pm
by Mr Bean
Stark wrote:Only if you assume DRM is aimed at hardcore pirates, which it isn't.
Is there a difference between a Pirate who downloads some games from torrents and a Pirate who downloads all his game via torrent?
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 09:52pm
by weemadando
Stark wrote:Only if you assume DRM is aimed at hardcore pirates, which it isn't.
Exactly. So what happens to someone who doesn't understand DRM or anything like that and tries to play when the server is down? They have no frame of reference or understanding of what's happening. They just know it's not working. And they have no understanding of how to fix it.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 11:24pm
by DPDarkPrimus
You'd think Ubisoft would learn, but they've had plenty of time to and they never have. The only thing people can do is stop buying their games on PC and write them to tell them exactly why.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-03 11:59pm
by Stark
[quote="weemadando"
Exactly. So what happens to someone who doesn't understand DRM or anything like that and tries to play when the server is down? They have no frame of reference or understanding of what's happening. They just know it's not working. And they have no understanding of how to fix it.[/quote]
They start buying games on consoles. :v I don't think most people have the perspective to understand how blank most people would be about issues like this. I don't think most people playing games on PC participate in the 'normal' feedback methods.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-04 07:28am
by Purple
Stark wrote:I don't think most people playing games on PC participate in the 'normal' feedback methods.
We participate in the most ancient feedback method in the book. We take our money elsewhere. But it seems that the magical 'free market' fairy actually can't fix everything. *shock*
On that note, what is the legal status of purchasing a copy of their games and than acquiring a pirated one so that you can actually play it? Not that I would do so since I don't really care about these particular games. But its an interesting question none the less.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-04 07:43am
by Stark
Once someone buys something, if they stop playing it the publisher doesn't give a fuck. As DP says, if you want to send a message you should send an actual message. Ubi has almost certainly learned that people on forums are not to be listened to. :V
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-04 11:17am
by Andrew_Fireborn
Purple wrote:Stark wrote:I don't think most people playing games on PC participate in the 'normal' feedback methods.
We participate in the most ancient feedback method in the book. We take our money elsewhere. But it seems that the magical 'free market' fairy actually can't fix everything. *shock*
On that note, what is the legal status of purchasing a copy of their games and than acquiring a pirated one so that you can actually play it? Not that I would do so since I don't really care about these particular games. But its an interesting question none the less.
Before the DMCA, I don't think the courts would have cared.
But, the DMCA makes bypassing DRM illegal.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-04 11:26am
by Eulogy
Andrew_Fireborn wrote:But, the DMCA makes bypassing DRM illegal.
You say that as if it matters. A law is worthless if it can't be enforced, just like that no smoking at bus stops law. Of course, it's even more worthless if there is great incentive to break the law, which Ubisoft has unwittingly provided to paying customers.
The Emperor can't force everyone to walk on their hands, after all.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-04 11:28am
by Faqa
Andrew_Fireborn wrote:Purple wrote:Stark wrote:I don't think most people playing games on PC participate in the 'normal' feedback methods.
We participate in the most ancient feedback method in the book. We take our money elsewhere. But it seems that the magical 'free market' fairy actually can't fix everything. *shock*
On that note, what is the legal status of purchasing a copy of their games and than acquiring a pirated one so that you can actually play it? Not that I would do so since I don't really care about these particular games. But its an interesting question none the less.
Before the DMCA, I don't think the courts would have cared.
But, the DMCA makes bypassing DRM illegal.
Uh... no:
http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/07/23/29099.htm
Court Backs Dismissal of Digital Copyright Claim
(CN) - General Electric did not infringe on a power supplier's digital copyrights when it used protected software unlocked through a hacked security key, the 5th Circuit ruled.
"Merely bypassing a technological protection that restricts a user from viewing or using a work is insufficient to trigger the (Digital Millennium Copyright Act's) anti-circumvention provision," Judge Garza wrote for the New Orleans-based court.
"The DMCA prohibits only forms of access that would violate or impinge on the protections that the Copyright Act otherwise affords copyright owners."
The ruling stems from a lawsuit filed by MGE UPS Systems, a manufacturer of uninterruptible power supply machines used by companies like Power Maintenance International (PMI), which was bought by GE in 2001.
To fix the machines, technicians have to use MGE's copyrighted software programs. The software can be unlocked with an external hardware security key, called a "dongle."
Dongles have expiration dates, passwords and a maximum number of uses.
Years after MGE introduced this technology, hackers posted information online on how to bypass the hardware key. Once a key is cracked, the software can be freely used and copied.
In its lawsuit against GE and PMI, MGE claimed a group of PMI employees had at least one copy of software obtained from a hacked machine. It said GE used the software 428 times between June 2000 and May 2002, even after a judge barred GE from using MGE's software and trade secrets.
A jury awarded MGE more than $4.6 million in damages for copyright infringement and misappropriation of trade secrets, but the trial judge dismissed its Digital Millennium Copyright Act claim.
MGE appealed, arguing that its dongles barred the kind of access to its software that the Act is meant to prevent.
But the 5th Circuit said MGE "advances too broad a definition of 'access.'"
"Without showing a link between 'access' and 'protection' of the copyrighted work, the DMCA's anti-circumvention provision does not apply," Judge Emilio Garza wrote.
"The owner's technological measure must protect the copyrighted material against an infringement of a right that the Copyright Act protects, not from mere use or viewing."
In other words, intent matters. If you are circumventing DRM to access a work you already own, then you are not committing copyright infringement and therefore do not fall under the purview of the DMCA.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-04 11:50am
by Tolya
someone_else wrote:And the fun fact is that perfectly working pirated versions will still keep coming after a couple months at most after the official release regardless of this shit they constantly pull off.
Weeks, not months. The more complex the DRM, the bigger the fun for the crackers.
someone_else wrote:I don't understand why they are making it so frustrating for the ones wishing to be legit.
Because right now, the DRM department at Ubisoft is probably as big as a gaming studio and all these people have to justify their existence on company's payroll.
Expect more outrageous DRMs in the future. An idea: with every game you get your own ubisoft employee. He plays the game for you while listening for directions to make sure you never copy it.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-04 02:15pm
by Sarevok
The only DRM that may actually work is running the game or at least part of it on a server. Basically single player games now become single player MMOs.
Anything else is just a small speedbump for crackers.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-04 03:16pm
by Purple
Only until an inside job leaks said part of the game and someone sets up a pirate server.
Re: Ubisoft DRM renders games unplayable next week
Posted: 2012-02-04 03:30pm
by bilateralrope
Purple wrote:Only until an inside job leaks said part of the game and someone sets up a pirate server.
The pirate server will cost money to run, discouraging people from running them unless they can profit. And I don't see how the person running it could convince a court that they didn't know the server was infringing copyright. Making any prosecution much more likely.