New Dust 514 Trailer & Gameplay Videos

[Ritterin Sophia]

I thought some of you might be interested in this, I know some of you play EVE and even if you don't have a PS3 you might be interested in seeing how Dust will affect (whether it adds or detracts) your gameplay. As for myself and those people who have PS3s, here's hoping it works out. I have a lot of EVE Online friends and would like to help them, but spaceships isn't really my thing.

Hopefully they hold true to their statement that even though you can buy in-game currency there will be no pay-to-win.

[Chardok]

I know thought some of you might be nobody in their right mind should be interested in this, I know some of you morons play let EVE take over their stupid life. and even if you don't have a PS3 you might be interested in seeing how Dust will affect (whether it adds or detracts) your gameplay should watch how many people shell out money for this pile of crap - if only for lulz. As for myself and those people who have PS3s, here's hoping it works never comes out. I have know a lot of EVE Online friends people who hate themselves and harm their chances of ever joining civilized society and would like to help them, but spaceships isn't really my thing I don't believe a degree or drug exists that could ever save them from their horrible self destructive tendencies.

You're welcome.

[Stark]

Holy shit is this seriously not out yet? Good old CCCP.

They really shouldn't have released that trailer.

[Ritterin Sophia]

You're welcome.

Jesus Christ, what in the flying Hell is your problem?

[Chardok]

Nothing, I'm coolio. I was just letting you know that I was not part of the "some interested people" group.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Nothing, I'm coolio. I was just letting you know that I was not part of the "some interested people" group.

No. That wasn't just saying you weren't interested, that was you throwing a fit dude.

[Losonti Tokash]

A PS3 only online game that's "free to play" but requires you to buy $15 of game currency, where jeeps cost more than spaceships. Yay.

[Chardok]

Nothing, I'm coolio. I was just letting you know that I was not part of the "some interested people" group.

No. That wasn't just saying you weren't interested, that was you throwing a fit dude.

I defer to the logic of one Dr. Emmett Brown:

The way I see it, if you're gonna build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style?

I think that applies pretty much across the board. Hence, above post!

[Ritterin Sophia]

A PS3 only online game that's "free to play" but requires you to buy $15 of game currency, where jeeps cost more than spaceships. Yay.

Where was this said?

[White Haven]

Oh, he's just spewing old, outdated, and more to the point now plain wrong information and pretending that it's still relevant fact. The original plan was to have the game cost money to buy, but have that money buy you in-game currency so it wasn't 'really' a charge. That was dropped a while back, however.

[Losonti Tokash]

I hadn't been corrected on that or heard any new information since November or so, when it was related to me. I stand corrected, though. It is still an online game exclusive to the PS3 (for no reason at all) and has been in development for so long from a company with a "spotty" record that I basically have no hope it won't be shit.

And seriously, it puzzles me why they'd lock themselves to the console that's actually less friendly to online multiplayer. And do those jeeps still costs hundreds of thousands of isk?

[White Haven]

Dunno about individual unit prices, but the PS3 as a platform choice was actually due to Microsoft's tight-fisted control of the platform. CCP couldn't get Microsoft to allow the kind of outside control that the Dust/EVE integration would require, so CCP shrugged and said 'fine, it's a PS3 game then.'

[Losonti Tokash]

Yeah, I've heard that, but it's silly. The Xbox has had FFXI for yeeeears, not to mention the insane amount of stat tracking, server hosting, and other data EA regularly harvests and feeds back into their console games.

[White Haven]

The problem, as I understand it, is that it's two-way realtime integration with a non-Live game. I don't have all the details, of course, but from what I recall reading that was the core of the problem.

[Losonti Tokash]

Not only is FF11 obviously an example of two way integration, it's also an example of cross-platform integration. You are, after all, playing alongside folks on PC, 360, and PS.

[White Haven]

After some cursory digging, it looks like Microsoft tightened up their platform-control policies post-FFXI. Indeed, that's why FFXIV is notably lacking 360 support despite their desire to include it as they had for XI. The relevant quote: "The main reason why we couldn't go with Xbox 360 was the Xbox Live system. [Live is] different to the normal internet environment, so when we wanted to introduce this game in the same environment as Windows PC it had to be PS3, so that was our choice. Microsoft has a different point of view: they want to have a closed environment for Xbox Live. We're still talking to... We couldn't come to an agreement on Xbox Live."

FFXI is basically grandfathered in, but not a followable example due to internal Microsoft policy changes. Hence no FFXIV and no Dust 514.

[Nephtys]

Interstellar high-speed Shuttle-Courier: 5,000 Isk.
Low-Quality Star Frigate + Fusion Missiles: 25,000 Isk.
Jeep = hundreds of thousands? Lawwwl.

[Esquire]

Is that in ISK, or something else, though? The video was very much a TL;DW for me, but I seem to recall ISK being a super-duper incredibly ridiculously valuable hypercurrency that nobody except capsuleers used because nobody else spent enough to amount to more than a few ISK. If a jeep costs 100k non-ISK space dollars, that'd be fine.

[bilateralrope]

2009 interview with the STO executive producer

I'll be honest, the business part of bringing MMOs to consoles has been really sticky... Trying to get Sony, trying to get Microsoft to really understand MMOs; really understand what needs to happen for MMOs, and then figure out all the business aspects of those games, has really been a difficulty for all of the MMO developers.

Final Fantasy [XI] has been on the Xbox 360 for a while, but so many exceptions were made for that game, because at the time, the Xbox was trying to take market share and whatnot. So when it comes to the business, to how the first-parties - Microsoft and Sony - support MMOs, and what technologies we need in order to have our games run well, networking-wise and chat-wise and all that sort of stuff - those have been the really big hangups.

An article from march about those restrictions on Dust 514

Sony didn't relax PSN policies so free-to-play MMO Dust 514 would work on PS3 - Sony "removed" them, developer CCP has told Eurogamer.

"Relaxed is not even the word - they have 'removed'," Dust 514 executive producer Brandon Laurino revealed.

I wounder how many people are going to go into Dust 514 not knowing much beyond it being a free to play FPS, run into typical Eve Online dickery, then complain loudly about CCP doing nothing.

That code they used for the orbital bombardment does make me wounder how easy it's going to be to hijack orbital bombardment targeting if you have a spy steal the code.

Is that in ISK, or something else, though? The video was very much a TL;DW for me, but I seem to recall ISK being a super-duper incredibly ridiculously valuable hypercurrency that nobody except capsuleers used because nobody else spent enough to amount to more than a few ISK. If a jeep costs 100k non-ISK space dollars, that'd be fine.

I think the plan is for capsuleers to be paying the Dust mercs to capture specific planets. So those prices would be in ISK.
But millions of ISK is only pocket change for capsuleers, let along 0.0 alliances. Assuming the equipment has to be bought from NPC produces, instead of capsuleers being able to produce it for cheaper.

[White Haven]

I'm somewhat disappointed that orbit-bombing requires groundside targeting to begin with. I was sort of hoping to just fly by a planet being contested by two third parties and just bomb the shit out of it for giggles.

[Nephtys]

C'mon. It's bad enough for the other guys when you pop a Cyno and drop 20 Motherships on some pissant ice-mining op.

Now we can drop sniper battleship fleets onto foot infantry?

But hey, this could offer a better system: some battle is going on, your gang flies in and goes 'WTS Orbital Fire Support, Highest Bid' in local.

[White Haven]

As awesome as that would be, I think it's far funnier to just have an unsupported ground battle going on, and then suddenly shells the size of Volkswagens are just raining down everywhere out of the blue. I'd rather hoped that the presence of surface-to-orbit cannons would make that a dangerous enough proposition to be allowed, but it seems not.

[Stark]

It's good news to know that not only has CCCP totally missed the point of shooters but all the EVE fans have too.

So yeah a shit shooter on a single platform with niche appeal tied to griefing. This is why they've designed the revenue model the way they have.

[Ritterin Sophia]

I'm somewhat disappointed that orbit-bombing requires groundside targeting to begin with. I was sort of hoping to just fly by a planet being contested by two third parties and just bomb the shit out of it for giggles.

I would assume you can do that, if not now then in the future. There were a couple other videos I didn't post relevant to Dust, mainly because they're just discussions using powerpoint and not actual gameplay.

The first one discussed your role on the battlefield.

Second discusses map seeding in the Galaxy and how they work around the PS3s limited memory. There's also a Q&A at the end that's relevant to orbital bombardment.

These other two I haven't seen.



The thing I got out of the second video is that Dust 514 for the moment is very focused on core gameplay at the moment, it also hints at a lot at their new philosophy of User Centered Design after the debacle last Fall. The second video, IIRC, also says that you can see the battles occurring from space, but I'm not sure whether painting your target is necessary to get an accurate shot or whether it's absolutely necessary.

[Stark]

I love how their plan is 'openly admit launch game is open beta, maybe add stuff later'.