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Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-12 10:56pm
by bilateralrope
Arstechnica.com
Users of the Adblock browser extension may see something today they're not used to when they surf the web: ads.

The ad-blocking giant, which claims to have 50 million users, will still remove advertisements from the web. But instead of showing the "peaceful, blank spaces you're accustomed to not noticing," Adblock will replace publishers' ads with banners supporting Amnesty International.

The Amnesty ads, which mark March 12 as the "World Day against Cyber Censorship," are a cause that Adblock believes is worthy enough to, well, advertise. The company says the messages, from US whistleblower Edward Snowden, Chinese artist and dissident Ai Weiwei, and Russian punk band Pussy Riot, are a one-day exception to its business as usual.

"Right now, there are billions of people whose access to internet content is restricted and monitored by their own governments," wrote Adblock CEO Gabriel Cubbage in a statement explaining the campaign.

Neither Amnesty International nor Adblock responded to requests for comment from Ars about the campaign.

An important caveat: I installed Adblock on my Chrome browser while writing this story, to see what Amnesty's campaign looked like, but never saw the touted Amnesty ads. My search included media websites that I read regularly, including the New York Times, Washington Post, and San Francisco Chronicle; as well as several that I don't often read, like Engadget and Buzzfeed. I also used Google, Twitter, Amazon, and Facebook. Ads were consistently blocked, but the Amnesty International ads didn't appear.

Ad blockers turned advertisers

Even though it's for just one day, it puts Cubbage and his company in the unusual position of becoming a platform for large online banner ads—a business he has denounced vociferously. Even users who let Adblock know they're willing to see "unobtrusive" ads will never see banners the size of the Amnesty campaign. The ads that Adblock deems "unobtrusive" are limited to things like Google text ads, and Amazon suggestions. (The companies that have their ads whitelisted also pay Adblock for the privilege.)

The mere possibility that the growing ad-blocking industry could become its own "delete and replace" advertising hasn't gone unnoticed in the marketing and media world, where ad-blocking has become a growing, and controversial, practice.

At a SXSW panel on Friday discussing the growth of ad-blockers, an audience member pointed out the Amnesty campaign to Ben Williams, the head of operations for Adblock Plus (Adblock Plus is a different company than Adblock.)

"It looks like Adblock is actually becoming an ad network, without paying fees to the publisher," said the questioner.

"That isn't us," said Williams. "But that possibility is out there. It does blur the line. The name [of this type of software] should really be 'web customizer,' not ad block."

Williams then stated a second time, more emphatically, that his company was not involved in the decision to run the Amnesty ads.

He also faced heat from his fellow panelists, which included a digital marketer Forbes' chief product officer, Lewis DVorkin. Forbes is one of a few websites that won't show content to browsers using ad blockers. DVorkin said they have a 40 percent conversion rate of convincing ad-block users to switch off their ad-blockers.

After Williams described his business model, which charges publishers to be "whitelisted" so their ads still go through to Adblock Plus users with the default options, DVorkin channeled the frustration of publishers.

"I'm not saying this—but others might say—that what you just described is blackmail or extortion," DVorkin said.

"Oh, if I had a nickel for every time I've heard that one," said Williams. "Clearly, we have found a place in the middle where we provide value to both users and publishers. But we're not the only one." There are more than 200 types of ad-blockers now available, according to Williams, and about 200 million people worldwide using them.

However, Williams added he thinks there's a "ceiling" to ad-blocker usage that's probably been reached. Rates of ad-blocking have hit "26 to 28 percent" in a few high-usage countries, but he doesn't believe it will go much higher than that.

He also emphasized that at his company, the process of deciding which ads can be whitelisted is done in a public form. Adblock Plus has said it will transition that decision-making process to an "independent committee" by the end of this year.

With that kind of user-share, the temptation to use the "peaceful white space," for something, whether it's public service announcements or "whitelisted" advertisements, will be high. As the Amnesty International ads show, one user's annoyance may be another's valued message.
I have no problem with people who choose to block ads, as long as you stop visiting a website when the operator makes it clear that they don't want visits from people who block their ads.

The only problem I have with Adblock letting unobtrusive ads go unblocked is a worry about how impartial they really are in deciding what counts as unobtrusive. This is because I don't know much about about how they decide if the ad is unobtrusive, so I'll assume that there are no problems there unless I see proof otherwise.

But Adblock replacing the ads it blocks with ads that fit with their political views is something I have a problem with*. I tolerate ads because they are often the only way a website will get any income out of my visit when I know that the website needs income to continue operating. I see no reason to tolerate ads that don't contribute to the running of a website.

*Even when I agree with their political views.

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-12 11:33pm
by biostem
I have no problem with people who choose to block ads, as long as you stop visiting a website when the operator makes it clear that they don't want visits from people who block their ads.
Then said sites should not allow random users to visit their sites - require people to register to view their site, and have "you agree to view ads" as part of the registration terms...

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-12 11:49pm
by bilateralrope
biostem wrote:
I have no problem with people who choose to block ads, as long as you stop visiting a website when the operator makes it clear that they don't want visits from people who block their ads.
Then said sites should not allow random users to visit their sites - require people to register to view their site, and have "you agree to view ads" as part of the registration terms...
That's one way.

Another way is to detect the adblocker and then refuse to serve up the webpage to anyone detected using one.

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-13 12:24am
by Executor32
I don't know about Adblock, but Adblock Plus's definition of an unobtrusive ad is pretty strict.

Given the gloom and doom way back when ABP first introduced their acceptable ads initiative, with many people swearing off ABP forever and switching to Adblock instead of simply unchecking the checkbox or even just *gasp* giving acceptable ads a chance, I find it hilarious that Adblock has implemented something similar.

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-13 01:05am
by Grumman
I use Adblock Plus, and I support their "unobtrusive ad" policy. I have zero problem with a website displaying text or image ads on websites I visit as long as they refuse to be a part of the fuckery we've come to know and hate from advertisers. Hell, even the companies whose ads are blocked are better off in my case, since it means I don't see anything that would make me boycott their products out of sheer spite.

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-13 01:49am
by Highlord Laan
I'll stop using AdBlock when advertisements aren't connection-clogging, obtrusive, annoying, gaudy pieces of screen-blocking garbage. When they do that, I'll happily drop my Ad security and allow the ad companies to personally see that I still don't give a shit about what they're selling, and will continue ignoring them.

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-13 03:14am
by bilateralrope
Highlord Laan wrote:I'll stop using AdBlock when advertisements aren't connection-clogging, obtrusive, annoying, gaudy pieces of screen-blocking garbage. When they do that, I'll happily drop my Ad security and allow the ad companies to personally see that I still don't give a shit about what they're selling, and will continue ignoring them.
Will AdBlock placing ads on websites you view cause you to switch to a different ad blocking software ?

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-13 09:22am
by madd0ct0r
if you don't like the service adblock provides, stop paying for it. there. solved.

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-13 12:57pm
by Purple
Addblock is paid for? Than why would anyone use it instead of AddblockPlus that's free?

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-13 01:09pm
by Wild Zontargs
bilateralrope wrote:
biostem wrote:
I have no problem with people who choose to block ads, as long as you stop visiting a website when the operator makes it clear that they don't want visits from people who block their ads.
Then said sites should not allow random users to visit their sites - require people to register to view their site, and have "you agree to view ads" as part of the registration terms...
That's one way.

Another way is to detect the adblocker and then refuse to serve up the webpage to anyone detected using one.
That's been tried, and it has failed.

I'm using uBlock Origin, which has no "good ads" pay-to-display program. It lets you subscribe to whatever third-party content-blocking lists you want.

Sites have developed methods (usually with javascript) to detect when you're using an adblocker and to re-direct you, throw up a content-blanking wall, etc. To counteract those, I'm running Reek's Anti-Adblock Killer which detects and deactivates these countermeasures.

This is an arms-race that can only be won by putting content behind a paywall. Otherwise, users can simply refuse to download advertisement images or run advertising scripts, and they simply won't appear. Unless you re-design your content to work like TV ("you get what we send you" rather than "here's the recipe for how to assemble the site, and we can't stop you from leaving some bits out"), you can't force users to see your ads.

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-14 11:51am
by Elheru Aran
There are days when I really appreciate NoScript. Just gank ads right at the source. Sure, it makes viewing some pages a pain in the ass, but it works.

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-15 07:48am
by salm
Wild Zontargs wrote: This is an arms-race that can only be won by putting content behind a paywall. Otherwise, users can simply refuse to download advertisement images or run advertising scripts, and they simply won't appear. Unless you re-design your content to work like TV ("you get what we send you" rather than "here's the recipe for how to assemble the site, and we can't stop you from leaving some bits out"), you can't force users to see your ads.
AFAIK adblockers rely on websites posting adds from third party ad distributors.
This means that the ad is not on the server of the website itself but lies on some other server and is just injected into it.
If the website put the ad into the websites code itself there would be no way a bocker like adbock or ublock origin could detect it.
Of course that makes advertising a lot more expensive but perhaps there are ways to automate something like that in the future.

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-15 08:26am
by Wild Zontargs
salm wrote:AFAIK adblockers rely on websites posting adds from third party ad distributors.
This means that the ad is not on the server of the website itself but lies on some other server and is just injected into it.
If the website put the ad into the websites code itself there would be no way a bocker like adbock or ublock origin could detect it.
Of course that makes advertising a lot more expensive but perhaps there are ways to automate something like that in the future.
Well, yes and no. That's the easiest way to block a lot of ads, and sites hosting their own ads would solve a lot of the "infected ad network" problems, but that's not really how the new blockers work.

The new ones allow you to block specific HTML/CSS/JS/etc elements from a domain (or even a single page). Here's a snippet from one of the lists uBlock Origin works with:

Code: Select all

newyorker.com###CM-notification
thehdroom.com###Column-3ad300
lifescript.com###ConnectWidthLS
kellyservices.com###ConnectWrap
webmd.com###ContentPane46
thebaffler.com###CoverPop-content
thebaffler.com###CoverPop-cover
nydailynews.com###DD-Widget
trendhunter.com###DOMWindow
trendhunter.com###DOMWindowOverlay
mlive.com###EntryStats
mediafire.com###ExternalInterfaceExample + a > [style="position: absolute;"]
godtube.com###FBCTA
wsj.com###FINSW_Jobs
designboom.com###FooterStripe
theweek.com###HPPromoBox
webupd8.org###HTML1.widget.HTML
techpounce.com###HeaderBlock
cnn.com###MagStoryOFIE
theafricareport.com###Mod184
informationmadness.com###Mod75
foodingredientsfirst.com,nutritionhorizon.com###News
entrepreneur.com###NextArticle
avforums.com###Notices
thinkprogress.org###PRpromo
torontosun.com###PaywallWidgetTopBar
metacafe.com###PlaylistBar
techieopus.com###PopSubBox
edn.com###PromoBox2
about.com###QZTrackbacks
They're not just blocking the ad content, they're blocking the part of the page that contains the ads, so you don't even get an empty area cluttering up the screen. With community involvement and auto-updating lists, they can keep this sort of thing up to date indefinitely. The only way around this would be to obfuscate the code for each page every time it's generated, and that would be an absurd level of overhead.

Re: Adblock delivers ads

Posted: 2016-03-15 12:02pm
by Grumman
I can confirm. I use Adblock Plus not only to block ads, but also to block individual images when some jackass decides to post a 10 MB png on a forum.