PCs one-up macs. AGAIN.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-26 07:21pm

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$2975 Canadian
Microsoft Windows XP professional
10/100 Mbps Ethernet
17" Flat panel LCD monitor
Wireless optical mouse with wheel
wireless keyboard
1 GB DDR Memory
120 GB HD
DVD ROM/DVD-R/CD ROM/CD-R (40/12/48/18)
Connection Ports:
5 USB 2.0
1 Firewire
1 PCMCIA Type II
1 SPDIF
1 Mic-in jack
1 Line-in jack
1 RJ-45 Ethernet plug
1 RJ-11 Modem plug
1 PS/2
1 Parallel Printer
1 External VGA
1 S-Video out
1 CATV/VHF/UHF Antenna
1 Front Stereo Audio-out
1 Rear Stereo Audio-out
1 Center/Bass Audio-out
ATI Radeon 9000 pro
P4 processor, 3.2 GHz, soon upgradable to P5

And half the weight of the new iMac. 1 inch thick, the stand is wirey, no electronics in it. Any advantages of the new iMac are dispelled. Any advantages of the G5 (except for 8 GB RAM) also dispelled.

But why the fuck does anyone need 8 GB DDR RAM?

Don't inline huge pics. The duplicate thread was nuked

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2003-06-26 07:24pm

But why the fuck does anyone need 8 GB DDR RAM?

Because you can get it for the low, low price of $3,750 USD!!! THATS A STEAL!!!!!!

pC pwn j00

EDIT: I'll stick with my Alienware, seeing as how it can run all games worth playing

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-26 07:26pm

Some screwed-up double post occured. Some mod please lock this thread, leave the other one alone. It has a much more modem-friendly pic.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-06-26 07:30pm

YT300000 wrote:Some screwed-up double post occured. Some mod please lock this thread, leave the other one alone. It has a much more modem-friendly pic.

Too late.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-06-26 07:32pm

YT300000 wrote:P4 processor, 3.2 GHz, soon upgradable to P5

I smell bullshit here. Is this referring to Prescott?

lux · Post by **lux** » 2003-06-26 07:36pm

I'm not really impressed. I thought everyone hated iMacs because they were difficult to upgrade? It doesn't look like this one is going to be easy to upgrade either. Also, how are any of the advantages of the G5 dispelled? Dual 2Ghz, soon to be dual 3Ghz vs. a single 3.2? I think the G5 clearly has an advantage. What I would like to see is a race between the two. And you cannot tell me that you wouldn't like having 8 GB of RAM..

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-06-26 07:38pm

YT300000 wrote:And half the weight of the new iMac. 1 inch thick, the stand is wirey, no electronics in it. Any advantages of the new iMac are dispelled. Any advantages of the G5 (except for 8 GB RAM) also dispelled.

A rather nice machine, actually, if not one I'd buy (I liked seperates). The Mac has a few things that this does not. (IEEE1394b, Gigabit ethernet, etc).

But why the fuck does anyone need 8 GB DDR RAM?

You probably could go higher, but 2GB DIMMs are incredibly rare and cost about $1000 apiece. (Apple historically is conservative about the amount of RAM that can go in a machine, for example, at release the SE/30 was spec'ed to 8MB but as new SIMMs came out it maxed at 128MB).

For large amounts of RAM, it's a godsend for people doing things like Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, complex Quark Xpress documents, video editing, etc. You can never have too much memory - my brother's machine has 1GB of RAM and he runs out of memory when working in Photoshop rather often.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-26 07:38pm

Here's the pic from the other thread:

lux wrote:I'm not really impressed. I thought everyone hated iMacs because they were difficult to upgrade? It doesn't look like this one is going to be easy to upgrade either. Also, how are any of the advantages of the G5 dispelled? Dual 2Ghz, soon to be dual 3Ghz vs. a single 3.2? I think the G5 clearly has an advantage. What I would like to see is a race between the two. And you cannot tell me that you wouldn't like having 8 GB of RAM..

Dual can only be used for certain functions, on average less than 30% of the time.

I'd like 8 GB of RAM. But once again, what the fuck for?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-06-26 07:42pm

YT300000 wrote:Dual can only be used for certain functions, on average less than 30% of the time.

A lot of the high-end Mac software is multiprocessor-aware and has been so since the PPC604e days. Furthermore, even if a piece of software cannot be used on multiple processors, you still have another processor free to do other things in the background.

A lot of people who have dual Athlon MPs or Xeons say they love having multiple processors and wouldn't go back.

I'd like 8 GB of RAM. But once again, what the fuck for?

See above.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-06-26 07:46pm

JediNeophyte wrote:Because you can get it for the low, low price of $3,750 USD!!! THATS A STEAL!!!!!!

All OEMs and VARs use RAM to get ++profits. 1GB DDR400 DIMMs are hideously expensive as well.

EDIT: I'll stick with my Alienware, seeing as how it can run all games worth playing

I find it incredibly amusing that someone bitches about price yet has an Alienware machine.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2003-06-26 07:49pm

I got this system for $1500, which is not even half of what that RAM cost. It may only have 512 MB, but it does what I need.

lux · Post by **lux** » 2003-06-26 07:50pm

phongn wrote:
JediNeophyte wrote:Because you can get it for the low, low price of $3,750 USD!!! THATS A STEAL!!!!!!
All OEMs and VARs use RAM to get ++profits. 1GB DDR400 DIMMs are hideously expensive as well.

EDIT: I'll stick with my Alienware, seeing as how it can run all games worth playing
I find it incredibly amusing that someone bitches about price yet has an Alienware machine.

Also, if you really would like the 8Gb, but don't really have the money. You don't have to buy it from Mac. Buy it seperatly somewhere else, most likely you will be able to get it somewhat cheaper.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-06-26 07:56pm

JediNeophyte wrote:I got this system for $1500, which is not even half of what that RAM cost. It may only have 512 MB, but it does what I need.

Red herring. You purchased a 'boutique' machine at a price premium. You cannot find 8GB of PC3200 SDRAM for cheap, anywhere. At any rate, Apple isn't forcing you to buy a machine with that much RAM.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-26 08:20pm

phongn wrote:
YT300000 wrote:P4 processor, 3.2 GHz, soon upgradable to P5
I smell bullshit here. Is this referring to Prescott?

No idea. That is what it said in the flyer.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-06-26 08:41pm

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http://www.bluegear.com/Office%20Depot% ... C301-1.jpg

Where the hell's the tower?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-06-26 08:50pm

The guts are integrated into the computer itself. Quite remarkable.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-26 08:54pm

I just saw an add in the same flyer.

A palm-top comp with 400 MHz. 400 MHz! Thats more than my 5 year old PC!

In a few years, they will be about 1 GHz!!

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-06-26 09:10pm

phongn wrote:The guts are integrated into the computer itself. Quite remarkable.

I'll bet the CPU overheats when room temp goes above 80F too.. LOL

Gimme a massive Frankenstein ship that looks like Nikola Tesla dropped acid when he designed it instead. Black metal, huge water radiators, red, green, and blue lights everywhere, spikes, vacuum tubes of all shapes and sizes, integrated Lava Lamp, Plasma arc tubes, The Works! I want it to be right at home on the set of a Gothic Sci-Fi B Movie!

Shadowhawk · Post by **Shadowhawk** » 2003-06-27 12:52am

phongn wrote:
JediNeophyte wrote:I got this system for $1500, which is not even half of what that RAM cost. It may only have 512 MB, but it does what I need.
Red herring. You purchased a 'boutique' machine at a price premium.

Speaking of such, have you seen those new 'Voodoo' systems? A friend of mine showed me one in some PC magazine...it was $4900, without monitor, mouse, keyboard, or speakers (those would up the price to $6900). They seem to think that extensive detail to paint jobs justifies outrageous prices ($130 for a fucking keyboard).

lux · Post by **lux** » 2003-06-27 02:45am

Shadowhawk wrote:
phongn wrote:
JediNeophyte wrote:I got this system for $1500, which is not even half of what that RAM cost. It may only have 512 MB, but it does what I need.
Red herring. You purchased a 'boutique' machine at a price premium.
Speaking of such, have you seen those new 'Voodoo' systems? A friend of mine showed me one in some PC magazine...it was $4900, without monitor, mouse, keyboard, or speakers (those would up the price to $6900). They seem to think that extensive detail to paint jobs justifies outrageous prices ($130 for a fucking keyboard).

Wait.. that insane price for graphics on your computer/Keyboard/Other?? What is the computer (inside) like? If it's just for the pretty drawings thats rather stupid. No one comes over to stare at my computer.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-06-27 02:56am

YT300000 wrote:And half the weight of the new iMac. 1 inch thick, the stand is wirey, no electronics in it. Any advantages of the new iMac are dispelled. Any advantages of the G5 (except for 8 GB RAM) also dispelled.

And you're comparing laptops to desktops ... why?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-06-27 03:01am

YT300000 wrote:I just saw an add in the same flyer.

A palm-top comp with 400 MHz. 400 MHz! Thats more than my 5 year old PC!

Just because it runs at 400MHz doesn't mean it's more powerful than your old P2/400. Processors for PDAs typically are designed much differently than those for desktops.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-27 12:40pm

Durandal wrote:
YT300000 wrote:And half the weight of the new iMac. 1 inch thick, the stand is wirey, no electronics in it. Any advantages of the new iMac are dispelled. Any advantages of the G5 (except for 8 GB RAM) also dispelled.
And you're comparing laptops to desktops ... why?

The L372NL is NOT a laptop. It is a desktop.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-27 12:42pm

phongn wrote:
YT300000 wrote:I just saw an add in the same flyer.

A palm-top comp with 400 MHz. 400 MHz! Thats more than my 5 year old PC!
Just because it runs at 400MHz doesn't mean it's more powerful than your old P2/400. Processors for PDAs typically are designed much differently than those for desktops.

It is more powerful than my P2/266. I looked at the stats. Most of them are double what my old machine can put out.

The processors are different, but 400 is more powerful than 266, is it not?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-06-27 01:28pm

YT300000 wrote:The L372NL is NOT a laptop. It is a desktop.

Then please post a working image link. When a computer has PCMCIA slots and someone says it's 1 inch thick, I assume it's a laptop.

The processors are different, but 400 is more powerful than 266, is it not?

I dunno, have you compared a POWER4 1.7 GHz to a Pentium 4 3.2 GHz lately?

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