I hate dragons!

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2003-06-28 09:22pm

Has anyone here played Baldurs Gate II: Throne of Bhaal? Im stuck. I can't get past Abizagal's son, Draconis. He starts out in mage form, and thats an easy battle. He then turns into a green dragon, and hes pretty much impossible for me to beat. Besides all his spell protections and such he summons an umlimited supply of invisisble stalkers. Once I almost had him dead, but I ran out of high level spells and special abilities, and then he hit my party with a wing buffet, and scattered them, using the time he had to heal himself. Anyone else have a strategy I could use?

EDIT: I did manage to kill Firkraag in Baldurs Gate II, I was cheap and used a wand of cloudkill from out of sight. This wont work though, Draconis is resistant to it.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2003-06-28 09:31pm

Magic Missiles are your friend. Beyond that, I can't much say, as I don't have my Monster Manual on hand. IIRC green dragons are acid-type critters, though I don't remember what that leaves them vulnerable to. Dragons are never to be underestimated (as you have probably found out) and there is rarely any formula to beating them. Your best bet is to find the dragon's elemental weakness, and hit hard and hit fast. Stealth and fancy magic are all but useless against dragons.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-28 09:37pm

Dragons are really scary in Baldur's gate, you can have a meteor swarm centered on the thing, and multiple Pit Fiends whaling on it, and it can still kill your party. Swarms of summoned beasties are your friend, as they draw fire away from you. Aside from that, just use the standard tough fight precautions, and try different spell loadouts until you hit one that works.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2003-06-28 10:07pm

Theres another part that im stuck in Throne of Bhaal too, Watchers Keep-3rd level. At one part, I come through a portal. Theres a pack of high level demons there. According to the strategy guide, they should make a deal with me. Instead, they immediately attack me because im lawful. The other room the portal connects is a dead magic zone, so I cant cast spell protections beforehand, and I immediately get rushed by demons that can cast hold person and dominate.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-28 10:09pm

Well, you could always go out into the street, and kill some random civilians to lower your alignment.

Damn, that's actually the only suggestion I've got.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2003-06-28 10:21pm

Well, you could always go out into the street, and kill some random civilians to lower your alignment.

Actually, that would just lower my reputation. That and good aligned party members would leave and possibly try to kill me.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-28 10:23pm

are all of your people lawful, or are they hitting you just because your main character is?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-28 10:27pm

Hit him with lower resistance, and a few disjunctions or dispells... Thhen use death spells until he fails his save....

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2003-06-28 10:35pm

are all of your people lawful, or are they hitting you just because your main character is?

Just the main character's alignment matters.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-06-28 10:47pm

Don't suppose you have a cursed item of alignment change on you? Does magic dead mean any spell that enters the area snuffs it, or does the effect restart upon leaving the zone? If you get the spell effect back, and the magic dead area isn't so incredibly huge that any spells you cast before entering will expire, some possibilities open up.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-06-29 01:09am

Forget all that alignment altering ...that'll just mess up your char..

First off...make sure your supply of monster summoning wands...for the demons, make sure you use them -the moment- you get in there and just clog them with so many opponents they can't possibly get all your troops....chaotic commands (a level four priest/pallie spell) will also stop dominate dead in its tracks.

You'll need to cast protections as you fight on that one...and have healers work overtime to make sure your good to go during the fight...with chaotic commands..it's a walkover...it lasts for quite a while iirc.

For the Dragon...ah, what fun...I remember that bit...

Your basic dragon smiting rules apply...Lots of lower resist...followed by so many waves of Magic missles that even a god could wince back. At that level...your fighters should also be high enough level to be able to hit the dragon successfully...don't forget mordekainen's sword and your elementals also....just fill the place with summons till it doesn't matter.

Repetitive...but it's a strategy that works

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-06-29 01:12am

Mordies sword is always a useful tool in any situation....its night on invulnerable in ToB and damn good dragon fodder.....

Alyrium, sorry to tell you that wont work....ToB is 2nd Ed not 3rd Ed....

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-06-29 01:31am

The only thing that can really put mordie's blades in a world of hurt is the Ravager...and by the time you've cast all those anyway...your out of spells so it doesn't matter..

Admittedly...horrid wilting is damn near the only spell that hurts the ravager...you just can't cast enough of it before he uses your party is a surf board.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2003-06-29 02:51am

Mordie Swords have been useful, I have two party members capable of casting it. My only problem with them, is that they get distracted by lower priority monsters, like the Invisible Stalkers that Draconis summons, a situation that isnt helped by him being able to go invisible.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-06-29 04:35am

Jadeite wrote:Mordie Swords have been useful, I have two party members capable of casting it. My only problem with them, is that they get distracted by lower priority monsters, like the Invisible Stalkers that Draconis summons, a situation that isnt helped by him being able to go invisible.

Make Sure you have Keldorn in your party...being an inquisitor..he has true sight. Invisibility? HAH!

It's true you need to prioritize targets manually as the ai is a bit crappy...it involved alot of pausing to redirect but you should be doing that anyway to issue orders

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2003-06-30 02:16am

Traps are your friend against that dragon. Some traps so alot of damage
and are able to damage anything. A large number or traps is able to
instantkill nearly anything.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-30 05:31am

Keevan_Colton wrote:Mordies sword is always a useful tool in any situation....its night on invulnerable in ToB and damn good dragon fodder.....

Alyrium, sorry to tell you that wont work....ToB is 2nd Ed not 3rd Ed....

And spells that remove spell protections are in the game. Such as dispel magic.

I own the game

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-06-30 05:37am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Mordies sword is always a useful tool in any situation....its night on invulnerable in ToB and damn good dragon fodder.....

Alyrium, sorry to tell you that wont work....ToB is 2nd Ed not 3rd Ed....
And spells that remove spell protections are in the game. Such as dispel magic.

I own the game

Dispel magic does absolutely nothing against any of the -earliest- tob protections...if you even want to dent your opponents...you need to be using a combination of pierce magic and spell breach...however...using them will take up valuble lower resist spell slots and whatever they have in sixith level.

Don't be too proud ot this magic terror you have,..the ability to remove protections is insignificant when compaired with bitchslapping a mage with a dispelling stoneskin blade.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-30 05:57am

Coaan wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Mordies sword is always a useful tool in any situation....its night on invulnerable in ToB and damn good dragon fodder.....

Alyrium, sorry to tell you that wont work....ToB is 2nd Ed not 3rd Ed....
And spells that remove spell protections are in the game. Such as dispel magic.

I own the game
Dispel magic does absolutely nothing against any of the -earliest- tob protections...if you even want to dent your opponents...you need to be using a combination of pierce magic and spell breach...however...using them will take up valuble lower resist spell slots and whatever they have in sixith level.

Don't be too proud ot this magic terror you have,..the ability to remove protections is insignificant when compaired with bitchslapping a mage with a dispelling stoneskin blade.

Hmm forgot about spell breach....

Is the mage in question a Wizard or Sorcerer?

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2003-06-30 04:32pm

My party is magic heavy. My main character is a cleric/wizard, other party members are Sarevok, Aerie, Imoen, Anomen, and Minsc.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-06-30 05:08pm

My party was also magic heavy..

Main character:Sorcerer
Arie
That Teifling Bard
Jahera(sp)
Minsc

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-06-30 09:03pm

Generally my party was either...Melee heavy...or assorted...usually I never had more than three magic users of any kind....unless one of the warriors also happened to be a Werewolf...was fond of the shapeshifter for that raw power...they are a tank unto themselves....with the ability to heal once they shift back and make almost anyone their bitch

My main party was:

Me, Paladin
Keevan, Wildmage
Keldorn (For smitey, inquisitor goodness)
Minsc ( For comic relief and one amazing tank..)
Aerie (Arguably the most durable and useful spell caster in the game if you can stand the whining..)
Either Imoen or Janjansen as a thief/Mage backup/Ranged artist

This party kicked so much ass....when Keevan didn't cast multiple gates that is...

Alternativly...I switched to Shapeshifter and Keevan to Swashbuckler...with that usually we took another tank...and the rest of the party got a magical touch

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-07-01 01:36pm

Have you tried consulting the relevant GameFAQ?

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-07-01 03:14pm

EDIT: I did manage to kill Firkraag in Baldurs Gate II, I was cheap and used a wand of cloudkill from out of sight. This wont work though, Draconis is resistant to it.

Hey, thats how I killed him!

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-07-01 03:23pm

If you are desperate I can point you to a trainer that let's you change anything in the game...

Bevare it ruined the game for me....

the link is: www.mud-master.com/shadowkeeper/