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From the Dark Sider ending of JK1?Slartibartfast wrote:I'm still waiting for a completely new campaign where you play Emperor Katarn.
The J-O single-player campaign was extremely weak IMO. It just didn't have the plot-line JK1 did. Kyle came off as very effeminate as did Luke. He wasn't the same badass he was in JK1 sadly.RogueIce wrote:And I don't recall seeing anything in JO about going to the Dark Side. Is there anything like that? If not, then my opinion for it (besides everything I hear about it being a HL/Quake clone and other negative reviews) is gonna go down yet more.
I agree that the servers are now infested with boring arsenuts who don't do anything, and the admins generally do suck, but 1.04 is the best thing to happen to saber combat. You say it takes no skill to win now, yet the same was true of earlier version in far worse ways. e.g., the ol' unblockable-pull-until-fall-over-and-turn-around-and-backstab-1-hit-kill move. That was the most fucking retarded shit to have ever disgraced online gaming. I don't have a problem with red-whores either. I just laugh when someone tries to 1-hit-kill repeatedly; I roll out of the way and forward lunge when they land. Kills 'em after a few tries.TheFeniX wrote:The J-O single-player campaign was extremely weak IMO. It just didn't have the plot-line JK1 did. Kyle came off as very effeminate as did Luke. He wasn't the same badass he was in JK1 sadly.RogueIce wrote:And I don't recall seeing anything in JO about going to the Dark Side. Is there anything like that? If not, then my opinion for it (besides everything I hear about it being a HL/Quake clone and other negative reviews) is gonna go down yet more.
J-O really didn't have anything do do with Quake (besides using the engine) or Half-Life. The storyline was about him returning to the Jedi order and almost falling to the Dark Side because of his anger about Jan getting killed (supposedly). Anyways, the game doesn't reflect this because you can throw lightning and grip around like there's no tomorrow.
If you haven't already played J-O, don't bother now. The SP campiagn was lame, and the MP is just annoying now since 1.04. Every FFA server just has people chatting and having the occasional duel. If you attack anyone without their saber on, you get kicked. And most the server admins are dicks. The saber combat has been completely destroyed. No longer does skill rule the day, only whoever whores red stance the best. And just getting lucky that when your attack hits, you actually do damage.
Wait for Jedi Academy, I plan to upgrade our server to it as soon as the dedicated server is released.
Even from what I've looked into, it seems it's going to blow away J-O. Enhanced saber combat, customizable PC, enhanced ragdoll effects. The SP storyline is supposed to be much better than what J-O had to offer.russellb6666 wrote:why wait for Jedi Academy? I know it is the newest thing but what is going to make so that it kicks more ass than Jedi Outcast??
They did. You can use one saber, dual sabers, dual-bladed sabers. The combat system for each is completely different, and they have added double the amount of animations and attacks. And yes, releasing the animation source code would be nice, but who knows.Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:I'm looking forward to Jedi Academy, but with a lot of trepidation. If they don't seriously overhaul the saber fighting system (which sucked since 1.0 and not just 1.4, IMO) or at least make it possible for people to mod the animations, I'm going to be extremely upset.
A lot of people agree with you. 1.03 was the greatest for saber combat IMO. I could measure ever hit off and just count down my opponents health. Every measured hit could be used to my defensive advantage. Everything seems to do what it was supposed to.JediNeophyte wrote:I agree that the servers are now infested with boring arsenuts who don't do anything, and the admins generally do suck, but 1.04 is the best thing to happen to saber combat. You say it takes no skill to win now, yet the same was true of earlier version in far worse ways. e.g., the ol' unblockable-pull-until-fall-over-and-turn-around-and-backstab-1-hit-kill move. That was the most fucking retarded shit to have ever disgraced online gaming. I don't have a problem with red-whores either. I just laugh when someone tries to 1-hit-kill repeatedly; I roll out of the way and forward lunge when they land. Kills 'em after a few tries.
Damn...to me, nothing will top his scene after the duel with Maw. That was badass, and pretty good, general game-quality-acting considered.TheFeniX wrote:The J-O single-player campaign was extremely weak IMO. It just didn't have the plot-line JK1 did. Kyle came off as very effeminate as did Luke. He wasn't the same badass he was in JK1 sadly.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Using the engine, instead of something else to use to better effect. There was nothing wrong, IMO, with what JK1 had, except maybe for better graphics, but the whole server junk and everything, well, I hear too many bad things about those and admins being dicks, as opposed to, say, the Zone (MSN and those damn freeze-ups notwithstanding). Plus, it reeks to me of just copying the fad.TheFeniX wrote:J-O really didn't have anything do do with Quake (besides using the engine) or Half-Life.
"Almost" you say? So he won't actually fall? Well, FUCK THAT! Most of what made JK1 SP great was the whole choice between the Light and Dark Side, and the descisions you had to make!TheFeniX wrote:The storyline was about him returning to the Jedi order and almost falling to the Dark Side because of his anger about Jan getting killed (supposedly). Anyways, the game doesn't reflect this because you can throw lightning and grip around like there's no tomorrow.
Actually, the "no saber (putting up fists or whatever the equivalent is in JKO)" rule (better known, when I was around, as "fists=peace") was there in JK1 on the IGZ (now MSN Gaming Zone) as well. And hosts would generally kick people for intentionally violating it (if it was an accident, you allowed the victim a free hit on you, as well, or were supposed to; and if that hit killed, too damn bad).TheFeniX wrote:If you haven't already played J-O, don't bother now. The SP campiagn was lame, and the MP is just annoying now since 1.04. Every FFA server just has people chatting and having the occasional duel. If you attack anyone without their saber on, you get kicked.
Gee, that sounds familiar...TheFeniX wrote:And most the server admins are dicks.
Ditto. Good ol' days (JK, anyway, never had MotS). Except my clan leader was a good guy, except he got bogged down by RL, but then he left me in charge. Sadly, JK was dead by then, in terms of getting any "fresh blood" into a clan. Now I need a new MP game that still has some kind of decent community available.JediNeophyte wrote:Ah, yes, that brings back memories...
Playing MotS, good times, good times... 56k modem...
Oh well, I don't remember much lag. I remember, I joined my first clan with MotS, Asses of Da Sith. Had a good leader, friendly bunch... until he had to move and some asswipe took over and the clan went to pot. Oh well. Good times.
If you want community, go for Kohan. I remember distinctly that it had a very nice online community. I joined my first MP game, total n00b and everything and I managed to royally fuck my nation and thus my team, but they were being friendly about it the whole time. yay.RogueIce wrote:Ditto. Good ol' days (JK, anyway, never had MotS). Except my clan leader was a good guy, except he got bogged down by RL, but then he left me in charge. Sadly, JK was dead by then, in terms of getting any "fresh blood" into a clan. Now I need a new MP game that still has some kind of decent community available.JediNeophyte wrote:Ah, yes, that brings back memories...
Playing MotS, good times, good times... 56k modem...
Oh well, I don't remember much lag. I remember, I joined my first clan with MotS, Asses of Da Sith. Had a good leader, friendly bunch... until he had to move and some asswipe took over and the clan went to pot. Oh well. Good times.
From the ending of JK1. I'm thinking either a story before the actual "crowning" or just powering him down - maybe he got his powers stolen or just fading and must do something incredibly evil to get them restoredRogueIce wrote:From the Dark Sider ending of JK1?Slartibartfast wrote:I'm still waiting for a completely new campaign where you play Emperor Katarn.
That would be entertaining, but now that he's emperor, would he really bother?
And I don't recall seeing anything in JO about going to the Dark Side. Is there anything like that? If not, then my opinion for it (besides everything I hear about it being a HL/Quake clone and other negative reviews) is gonna go down yet more.
Say it with me: Non-linear baby!TheFeniX wrote:The SP storyline is supposed to be much better than what J-O had to offer.
Their site was hacked, and is down: http://darkforces.jediknightii.netTheFeniX wrote:Anyways, to keep this semi-ontopic: you might look into the Jedi-Outcast Dark Forces 1 Total Conversion MOD. I've misplaced the link, but google may help you.
No, infact it's more like:RogueIce wrote:"Almost" you say? So he won't actually fall? Well, FUCK THAT! Most of what made JK1 SP great was the whole choice between the Light and Dark Side, and the descisions you had to make!
I remember well the "No saber, no attack" days of JK1. It's just getting annoying that all this bandwidth is being used for nothing but a chat-room. Finding a server with good balance is getting harder every day.Actually, the "no saber (putting up fists or whatever the equivalent is in JKO)" rule (better known, when I was around, as "fists=peace") was there in JK1 on the IGZ (now MSN Gaming Zone) as well. And hosts would generally kick people for intentionally violating it (if it was an accident, you allowed the victim a free hit on you, as well, or were supposed to; and if that hit killed, too damn bad).
Yea, but it's more in a hypocritcal way. They tell everyone to follow the "saber down" rule, then proceed to attack people at random and kick anyone who complains.Gee, that sounds familiar...TheFeniX wrote:And most the server admins are dicks.
Trust me: you're better off.Having never played, don't know about "red-whores" but I do remember you had to have skill in JK1.
Bah! That sucks. I'll try and dig for some more mods at a later date.YT300000 wrote:Their site was hacked, and is down: http://darkforces.jediknightii.net
I'm talking about all the stories I get from TFC, CS, HL, etc...TheFeniX wrote:Yea, but it's more in a hypocritcal way. They tell everyone to follow the "saber down" rule, then proceed to attack people at random and kick anyone who complains.RogueIce wrote:Gee, that sounds familiar...TheFeniX wrote:And most the server admins are dicks.
Kyle's neck half disconnected from his head. Both times. And they kissed for the first time after SPOILERS crashing on Yavin, not on the Doomgiver.TheFeniX wrote:Ensue horribly animated Kyle and Jan kissing scene.
Granted, but I was giving the "short and unsweet" version of it.YT300000 wrote:Kyle's neck half disconnected from his head. Both times. And they kissed for the first time after SPOILERS crashing on Yavin, not on the Doomgiver.
Ditto. Had to be better than the MotS approach.TheFeniX wrote:I really miss the FMV role-playing from JK1. Contrary to most reviews, I thought the actors did a good job, considering what they had to work with.
Ew.TheFeniX wrote:I really miss the FMV role-playing from JK1. Contrary to most reviews, I thought the actors did a good job, considering what they had to work with.