Best HL mod

Mitth`raw`nuruodo · Post by **Mitth`raw`nuruodo** » 2003-08-09 10:12am

Just wondering what the spread around here is among HL players. Uhh, online mods only, and please post a reason WHY you enjoy it so much.

Mitth`raw`nuruodo · Post by **Mitth`raw`nuruodo** » 2003-08-09 10:34am

*minor bump*

I'd say Counter-Strike, I've been a fan for awhile (since ~BETA 5.2-those were the days...), and it's just very addictive. I mean, it requires almost no thinking to play - it's mostly instinct, "where do I go when I'm in the enemy's situation" (unless you join a clan or something and start playing seriously, then you have to think just a little), and you don't have multiple classes to figure out, everyone can join and equip themselves with the same guns, with the minor exception of weeapons like the Colt (CT only) or the AK-47 (T only). You go in the game, buy your guns, and kill everyone who doesn't look like you or 3 of your friends (4 models for each team, it's pretty easy to figure out who's a Terrorist and who's a Counter-Terrorist).

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-08-09 11:25am

I'd go for Natural Selection. I just like the depth of gameplay it offers.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-08-09 12:12pm

Sometimes I have to remind my self all three are based off the same game

All are good in their own ways, CS for its easy to pick up, nicley paced action where one has to think about your doing if you expect to surive, though boughts of rampent cheating and general stupidity of your avarage CS drag down the experience abit

The fast paced(Sometimes) action of DoD where teamplay is vitial and snipers are hated, it has a great gritty feeling to it that most other mods just don't have

To the resource war of National selection, which all in all gets my vote simply becaus
Chomp chomp chomp is a sound I hate and when 5x skulks leap out and chomp the guy in front of me, I get scared

When that fade says hello, I always think...
Ohshit
And when Mr Onos starts roaring I get nervious
On the flip side, I think marines go great with BB sause

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-08-09 12:32pm

Sorry about going off-topic for a moment, but I thought i'd quickly mention this: StarCraft meets NS

Mitth`raw`nuruodo · Post by **Mitth`raw`nuruodo** » 2003-08-09 12:44pm

3rd Impact wrote:Sorry about going off-topic for a moment, but I thought i'd quickly mention this: StarCraft meets NS

Nice. I always thought of Natural Selection as first-person StarCraft anyway, that really makes it seem so. Anyway, back on-topic. Some like games because of ease of play, others because of complexity (which they all can have, very much so, just depends on who you're playing with, etc.)

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-09 12:57pm

Counterstrike would get my vote, if not for the generally obnoxious community. It must be a requirement that half the people playing it need to be petulent children who don't understand that its possible to get a headshot manually. It also has annoying weapons and maps.

DoD is fun, but is unbalanced. The bolt action rifles are the only weapons worth using, because a skilled player can get off an unholy accurate snapshot and kill anyone in one hit. People with automatic weapons are usually reduced to firing from ambush, which is a ludicrous reversal of the real situation. Face it, mod designers: The Kar98 and SMLE are the shit worst weapons for the ranges depicted in your game. The American team gets its ass owned almost every game because the FUCKING GARAND is inferior to the Kar98 in firefights of 20m or less. What a bunch of shit.

Never played NS.

I really liked Firearms, because it was generally better balanced than the other mods and a blast to play.

Mitth`raw`nuruodo · Post by **Mitth`raw`nuruodo** » 2003-08-09 01:08pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:I really liked Firearms, because it was generally better balanced than the other mods and a blast to play.

Well, you asked, so I shall add it.

Why does everyone complain about the CS community? I mean, ya, some people are fucking stupid, but it's like that everywhere in life or online. THere's thousands of CS servers, I've found ~200 in a very quick search that tend to have a good group of people, and ~10 that I personallly get to know the members on, and see them in real life or in IRC. (it's harder to claim someone's cheating in a game when you've sat next to them and seen them play at a LAN party. erm, it's a lot easier to claim actually, if they really ARE cheating, but that's besides the point)

EDIT: Hrm, can't change poll options. That's not cool. can a mod add Firearms, with the note that it was suggested by Pablo Sanchez?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-09 01:21pm

Mitth-raw-nuruodo wrote:Why does everyone complain about the CS community?

Because it's shitty?

I mean, ya, some people are fucking stupid, but it's like that everywhere in life or online.

No, it's not. You do find stupid people

THere's thousands of CS servers, I've found ~200 in a very quick search that tend to have a good group of people, and ~10 that I personallly get to know the members on, and see them in real life or in IRC. (it's harder to claim someone's cheating in a game when you've sat next to them and seen them play at a LAN party. erm, it's a lot easier to claim actually, if they really ARE cheating, but that's besides the point)

There are good servers, and maybe 1/4 of the games I've played have been with people who were fun to play with. But any given public server has an 80% probability of being stacked with assholes.

EDIT: Hrm, can't change poll options. That's not cool. can a mod add Firearms, with the note that it was suggested by Pablo Sanchez?

Where shall we find such a mod?

Mitth`raw`nuruodo · Post by **Mitth`raw`nuruodo** » 2003-08-09 01:41pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:*snip*

This isn't really the thread for this, but like I said, find good servers, join a clan or something. Find people you like to play with, then it's a lot easier to ignore the retards. (which btw, are NOT UNIQUE TO CS - I see them in every other game on the list almost all the time) Hell, you could just turn the text and voice OFF if you don't want to see what the community says.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-08-09 03:24pm

I'd have to say CS. Since I'm on a closed LAN when at college (can only game within the WAN), it's generally me, my roomie, and some ROTC guys. Given that we're the only two civilians, we kick far more ass than we should.

I am kinda surprised not to see Team Fortress up there. That's fairly popular among large groups, though not as good as CS IMO.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-08-09 03:26pm

I love DoD, but I also think that Science & Industry and The Specialists are two of teh greatest mods of alltime, unsung heroes of the modding community.

Mitth`raw`nuruodo · Post by **Mitth`raw`nuruodo** » 2003-08-09 03:33pm

I didn't consider TFC, personal opinion got in the way of adding that game (I think it is one of the worst pieces of shit to ever be released with one of the Half-Life editions). A mod can add it if they like.

One reason I like CS is the way rounds are done. In most other games (actually, in all the other games on the list AFAIK), when you die, you respawn almost immediatly. In CS, when you die, you stay dead until someone wins and the round restarts. I like that. I hate those big never-ending matches in games like TFC and DoD that revolve around capturing flags and shit like that. But that's just me.

justifier · Post by **justifier** » 2003-08-09 04:11pm

DoD, it is a gritty game. Much more fun then CS because of its scope and class system. Though I liked the old version better, the new DoD is terribly stacked in favor of the allies.

CS is a fun no thinking type game though. In CS I have crazy luck at getting headshots with AK-47/Sig Commando rifles, and since I always play on LAN at a PC cafe I get the extra joy of hearing people across the room start cussing without them knowing who I am.

Mitth`raw`nuruodo · Post by **Mitth`raw`nuruodo** » 2003-08-09 04:19pm

justifier wrote:*snip*

I think DoD is stacked WAY in the AXIS favor, especially when you're playing as a rifleman. the axis rifle owns the allied rifle, methinks.

Anyway, I hate the class system and all that shit, and the capture-the-flags-style of gameplay (ya, I know they have a few other kinds of maps, but most are CTF), and the respawn system that CTF brings with it.

CS requires a lot more thinking than DoD, methinks. Natural Selection is pretty damn complex, and Firearms is kinda up there too, but DoD is way down there on the bottom with TFC. Just my opinion, but yes, I've played all the games mentioned, and CS > them all, but this isn't the thread to discuss this.

What about Half-Life Multiplayer anyone?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-08-09 04:20pm

DoD gives the axis rifleman a huge advantage, true, but the Allied MG is the best in game, the BAR is the most versatile weapon, and the Allied SMGs are extremely potent.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-09 05:26pm

Thirdfain wrote:DoD gives the axis rifleman a huge advantage, true, but the Allied MG is the best in game, the BAR is the most versatile weapon, and the Allied SMGs are extremely potent.

So what? The bolt actions have won every firefight I've had the luxury of viewing or playing, except when they were taken entirely by surprise. The Sten, MP40, and Thompson are all the exact same weapon in game terms, and the M3A1 is nothing to cheer about. The Bar is marginally better than the MP44, yay. That's about it.

Adjusting the performance of the Axis weapons to a realistic level would balance the game in one blow, IMO. The rate of aimed fire for an average Kar98 user is one shot per second--what a joke! Historical landsers could fire one shot every four seconds with any sort of accuracy. The Kar43 was difficult to find out of the hands of a few experts, so limit one per team; ditto the STG44. The MG42 was a badass death weapon, not the inaccurate piece of shit we see in DoD, which needs a long burst to hit someone at 20 meters. Fix it.

The game should work with the Allied teams (British and American) depending on superior firepower from individual soldiers and the German team relying on their machinegun. The Americans shouldn't even have a machinegun on their line up.

Mitth`raw`nuruodo · Post by **Mitth`raw`nuruodo** » 2003-08-09 05:28pm

*slaps Pablo*

Wrong thread to talk about DoD. I would love to talk about it, but not here.

StimNeuro · Post by **StimNeuro** » 2003-08-09 05:39pm

Counter-Strike is fun if you have a good number of players on a LAN. We had 20-25 players on a local Counter-Strike server for all of Spring semester. I think we had at least 4 hours of good play(4+ players on each team) 5 days a week for the entire semester.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-08-09 06:54pm

I got fed up with the awp whoring in CS, so I don't play it that often nowadays

I'd have to say TFC is the best mod, though the community isn't much better than CS and the game appears to be dying

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2003-08-09 07:43pm

DoD for me, though I'm rather disappointed with the latest release. Pablo describes a good deal of my concerns. My biggest issue is the Garand - the "rifle that won the war" is most fucking useless weapon in the game. I could do better, on average, running around with my knife. v1.0 needs a lot of work. At least in beta 3.1 you could hit things with the Garand.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2003-08-09 08:07pm

justifier wrote:DoD, it is a gritty game. Much more fun then CS because of its scope and class system. Though I liked the old version better, the new DoD is terribly stacked in favor of the allies.

One time i killed 7 allied players in a row with the K98... I'd say its balanced.

I've gotten ten shots to ten kills running flat out assault several times. With the inhumanly fast cyclic rate of the bolt actions, a good player can eliminate groups of 3-5 without too much trouble. What should happen is that player getting one, then he has to take several seconds to work the bolt and re-aim, during which period he has to rely on his teammates to save his ass.
~Pablo

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-09 09:12pm

Mitth-raw-nuruodo wrote:*slaps Pablo*

Wrong thread to talk about DoD. I would love to talk about it, but not here.

*gives you the old britva real horrorshow across the rooker*

I was voicing my opinion on why DoD isn't the best mod and what it could do to rectify this.

Mitth`raw`nuruodo · Post by **Mitth`raw`nuruodo** » 2003-08-09 09:16pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Mitth-raw-nuruodo wrote:*slaps Pablo*

Wrong thread to talk about DoD. I would love to talk about it, but not here.
*gives you the old britva real horrorshow across the rooker*

I was voicing my opinion on why DoD isn't the best mod and what it could do to rectify this.

But the thread asked you to say why the mod you picked was the best, not the other way around

. While you're trying to figure all this out, could you add Team Fortress Classic to the poll options?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-09 09:20pm

Mitth-raw-nuruodo wrote:But the thread asked you to say why the mod you picked was the best, not the other way around . While you're trying to figure all this out, could you add Team Fortress Classic to the poll options?

I was arguing with Thirdfain over his choice of DoD.