The Imperator Star Destroyer for Rifts

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-24 02:02pm

Just for the sake of my personal amusement, using very low-end scaling, only the figures I can somewhat nail down:

Main Body M.D.C. 10 trillion(U.S. trillion, 12 zeros, on the theory that a 200 gigaton turbolaser hitting bare hull would destroy the whole ship)
Force Field M.D.C. 1 quadrillion M.D.C. per side
Bridge window M.D.C. 1 million (from A-wing impact in RotJ)

Weapons:
(8 ) eight-barreled heavy turbolsers: Damage 3d6x1 trillion M.D.C. each barrel: rate of fire, 7 per melee round(every 2 seconds)

And TIE fighters have something like 50,000+ M.D.C. as well, as do AT-ATs.

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2003-08-24 02:37pm

If you are interested in BALANCED SF ships for Rifts, you should look at
[url]http://de_vos.tripod.com/Rift_SF_Conv.htm[/url].

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-24 02:49pm

I'm sorry, balanced? Rifts? Since When? Its not my fault that their scaling makes it so that kiloton range weapons can kill Space Battleships. Its not like Carella carefully analyses the balance of power before publishing his latest Munchkin-fest.

I've gone to that site for years. I've also seen one where a butt-residing anal-monkey only gave the Executor 10,000 M.D.C Main Body.

And their canon material admits that Phase World, and by extension, all of rifts, doesn't have the firepower to deal with collapsed matter armor, in the Three Galaxies Sourcebook.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-08-24 02:56pm

HRogge wrote:If you are interested in BALANCED SF ships for Rifts, you should look at
[url]http://de_vos.tripod.com/Rift_SF_Conv.htm[/url].

Or http://www.kitsune.addr.com/SF-Conversi ... F_Conv.htm. Kit's using the addr.com address now for some reason. That sire's updated more often, though Kitsune's back to doing Palladium Fantasy right now.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-08-24 04:00pm

consequences wrote:And TIE fighters have something like 50,000+ M.D.C. as well, as do AT-ATs.

Even by their own standards, a TIE would be lucky to have 500 MDC.

And AT-ATs would barely stand up to tanks.

You see, the MDC problem only is a problem when dealing with Spacecraft. On the ground, RIFTS tends to mangle many conventinal Sci-Fi.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-08-24 04:50pm

Rifts mangles everything. Rifles do as much damage as tank cannon, and an F-14 can be taken out by a single pistol shot. Nuclear missiles won't destroy an aircraft carrier unless at least 20 hit, and interstellar spaceships take weeks to travel from Earth to the Moon. I'm pretty much fed up with Kevin Siembieda's company, and I'm working on converting all the Coalition stuff to a system I like better.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-25 06:53pm

Kiloton range starfighter weaponry. A kiloton is 50K-500K M.D.C. scaling from their damage for a pound of T.N.T.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-08-25 08:51pm

The four horsemen drop their trousers and urinate on it with total impunity...

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-08-25 10:39pm

consequences wrote:Kiloton range starfighter weaponry. A kiloton is 50K-500K M.D.C. scaling from their damage for a pound of T.N.T.

2 kiloton nuclear missile does 3D4x100. Coalition Navy, under Tomahawk Missile. Would give page reference, but book's at home and I'm at dorm.

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2003-08-26 05:42am

There are two types of nuclear missiles in Rifts: Coalition Navy.

One has a yield of 200 kton ( 3w4*100 MD ), the other one has a yield of 300 kton ( 3w6*100 MD ? )...

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-08-26 08:47am

Yeah, I'd forgotten about the Firefly.

Like I said, book's not here right now, and I only remember the T-Hawk because that was part of a gripe session I went on on the Palladium boards, about how poorly done SB4 was

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SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-08-26 09:30am

Well, I have the book, and it says:

Firefly: 100 kT = 2D4X100 MDC

Tomahawk: 200kT = 3D4x100 MDC

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2003-08-26 10:53am

SAMAS wrote:Well, I have the book, and it says:

Firefly: 100 kT = 2D4X100 MDC

Tomahawk: 200kT = 3D4x100 MDC

ahh, okay... didn't had the book at hand.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-26 07:31pm

And a pound of T.N.T. does 1d4x10 S.D.C. Your point?

Apparently 2500 Assault rifle rounds equal a kiloton of damage, or 200
LAW rockets the same.

Can we say bullshit? Especially when their science has been consistenly bad to start with?

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-08-26 08:14pm

The Dark wrote:Rifts mangles everything. Rifles do as much damage as tank cannon, and an F-14 can be taken out by a single pistol shot. Nuclear missiles won't destroy an aircraft carrier unless at least 20 hit, and interstellar spaceships take weeks to travel from Earth to the Moon. I'm pretty much fed up with Kevin Siembieda's company, and I'm working on converting all the Coalition stuff to a system I like better.

You can convert all you want, but don't even think about putting it on a website (unless the provider is legally enlightened) because the asshole tends to shut down everything he can about his game that he doesn't like. Even bad magazine reviews.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-26 08:23pm

Okay, then a disclaimer: Rifts is owned by Kevin Siembieda, and he's welcome to it. I will make no money off of this posting, and it in no way infinges on Siembieda's right to rip off the SW universe for his next Phase World sourcebook, and make a horrible shambles of it in the process.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-08-26 08:45pm

There's no disclaimer that works, it's 100% intimmidation tactics

It's all about having an intelligent provider, mostly.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-26 08:52pm

Fuck him than, I'll get SA's legal consultant, Leonard Crabs to baffle him with bullshit.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-08-26 09:17pm

Slartibartfast wrote:You can convert all you want, but don't even think about putting it on a website (unless the provider is legally enlightened) because the asshole tends to shut down everything he can about his game that he doesn't like. Even bad magazine reviews.

I'll put up the full legal disclaimer that Palladium says they want on everything that's based on their work. I'll offer it only as downloadable files, not putting it right up on the Net. And if they get bitchy, I'll pull it down and offer it only by e-mail (and probably with a rather nasty series of comments about the censorship practices of Kevin Siembieda). I remember the FASA lawsuit, so I'm not about to be stupid, but I'm also not going to back down.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-08-27 04:33pm

consequences wrote:And a pound of T.N.T. does 1d4x10 S.D.C. Your point?

Apparently 2500 Assault rifle rounds equal a kiloton of damage, or 200
LAW rockets the same.

Can we say bullshit? Especially when their science has been consistenly bad to start with?

Duh. So what makes one more revelant than the other?

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-08-28 05:34am

I just noticed that in none of my previous posts did I bash Rifts.

RIFTS is the suckiest pile of shit I've ever seen and Simbieda should rot in hell for making such a crappy disorganized excuse of a book, and he even had the nerve to illustrate it with his high-school doodles!

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-08-28 02:48pm

The character creation process in RIFTS is also an unholy waste of time. Jesus.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-08-29 01:40am

Yeah, specially for skills you'll never use. Other than "mega-weapon use".

For certain classes, they even let you choose between skills like "first-aid" and "surgery", which is just like first-aid but better. So if you're stupid you can go ahead and choose the first one if you're one of those classes, or just go for "first-aid" if it's the only one available

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-08-29 01:47am

Gee Samas, maybe the fact that everything other than that Coalition Navy book fails to support Multi-kiloton weaponry at all? Maybe because Siembieda's math has always been shitty, since hand-rifles do as much damage as heavy vehicular weapons produced by the same tech base? Maybe because a 100 kiloton warhead apparently produces the same damage as a weapon with a fifty foot blast radius?

Apparently a kiloton is 2d4 M.D.C., so a recoilless rifle in Heroes Unlimited is about a 1 kiloton weapon. Bull-fucking-shit.

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