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NVIDIA can fuck themselves sideways with a chainsaw....
Posted: 2003-12-04 05:20pm
by MKSheppard
I just discovered why my card keeps overheating with the
new Detonator drivers:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/for ... page16.asp
"However, NVIDIA's filtering in D3D applications and the cooling issue
we encountered with GeForce FX 5200 Ultra does leave us very
concerned. If you don't find yourself playing Halo or Tomb Raider
everyday, you may want to wait this driver release out until it's been
battle-tested a little bit longer. Detonator 44.03 certainly didn't
last long. Also, we highly recommend GeForce FX 5200 Ultra owners keep
a very close eye on their card's fan if they plan to upgrade to 52.16.
If you find that your fan does not operate after upgrading to 52.16,
revert back to 45.23 immediately. The new features and performance
gains seen here just aren't worth the risk of potentially damaging
your hardware.
I checked this by pulling my case off and checking the fan on my GeForce
FX 5200 Ultra and yep, it wasn't spinning. I then removed the latest
detonators and booted into Windows with just the bog standard 256 color
VGA driver and yep, the fan is spinning now....
What sort of fucking idiot makes the god damn SOFTWARE control the damn fan, and this is the fucking ULTRA line...
Posted: 2003-12-04 05:22pm
by MKSheppard
This problem has existed for several detonator revisions, and it's not
just ME who's having problems...what the fuck is NVIDIA doing?
I need to write a scathing letter...perhaps get the FTC in on it,
for false claims, since NVIDIA claims these new detonators increase
your performance, yet burn up your card by turning off the fan with
the 5200 Ultras
Posted: 2003-12-04 05:28pm
by MKSheppard
And the minisucle power savings caused by turning
off the fan is more than offset by the god damn power plug that
you have to plug the 5200 Ultra into...
It certainly isn't starved for energy to run...
Posted: 2003-12-04 05:31pm
by Zac Naloen
this could explain why my card keeps switching itself the fuck off when im playing games!!!
how can i downgrade it?
im a tard when it comes to this stuff...
Posted: 2003-12-04 05:48pm
by MKSheppard
Zac, what kind of card do you have? A GeForce FX 5200 Ultra?
To downgrade it, go to add/remove programs and uninstall
the NVIDIA drivers.
Reboot.
Install the 44.03 drivers (which was the last set to work for me)
Posted: 2003-12-04 06:04pm
by Einhander Sn0m4n
MKSheppard wrote:This problem has existed for several detonator revisions, and it's not just ME who's having problems...what the fuck is NVIDIA doing?
Call me a cynical SOB, but are you also thinking nVidia's thinking "Not a bug, it's a FEATURE!!!!!!111"
$20 says that's exactly it...
And really, whose bonehead idea was it to control the COOLING system in software, and what the fuck is the burning (pun intended) need for it to TURN OFF at all in the first place!?!!?
EDIT: and if anyone screams "It's too noisy!" then you're a spoiled hypersensitive brat who *needs* to have your computer go up in smoke. It's it's a tiny cooling fan, not a huge noisy box fan!
Get headphones, you phonophobic SOB..
Posted: 2003-12-04 06:12pm
by Zac Naloen
i have a 5600 ultra, but my card keeps switching itself off during kotor... and some other games
Posted: 2003-12-04 06:23pm
by The Kernel
MKSheppard wrote:This problem has existed for several detonator revisions, and it's not
just ME who's having problems...what the fuck is NVIDIA doing?
I need to write a scathing letter...perhaps get the FTC in on it,
for false claims, since NVIDIA claims these new detonators increase
your performance, yet burn up your card by turning off the fan with
the 5200 Ultras
Shep, might I suggest you write you concerns to these guys?
watchdog@maximumpc.com
This is a Watchdog for a magazine I used to work for. They take stuff like your story and bring it to the manufacturers demanding a solution or they go to print with it. If they still don't get the message, they have hooked up several readers with lawyers (remember the whole IBM 75GXP lawsuit? Yeah, we started that).
Posted: 2003-12-04 07:25pm
by Jawawithagun
And that tiny graphics card fan is still the loudest thing in my PC! While the big fans usually can shovel the necessary amount of cooling air around at pretty low speed (and thus low noise) these tiny things have to work hard and speed up ... and thus are a lot louder at higher and more annoying frequency even.
Posted: 2003-12-04 07:30pm
by Shinova
Jawawithagun wrote:And that tiny graphics card fan is still the loudest thing in my PC! While the big fans usually can shovel the necessary amount of cooling air around at pretty low speed (and thus low noise) these tiny things have to work hard and speed up ... and thus are a lot louder at higher and more annoying frequency even.
How big is that fan?
Mines is a Ti4800 SE and its somewhere between 2 and 2.5 inches across, diameter.
Posted: 2003-12-04 07:34pm
by Jawawithagun
Standard 60mm thing.
Posted: 2003-12-04 09:57pm
by phongn
It's a tiny fan, but it has to run at high RPMs to get good airflow, hence why it's loud. If you somehow bolted an 80mm fan on it'd be a lot quieter.
Posted: 2003-12-04 10:32pm
by Vertigo1
The Kernel wrote:(remember the whole IBM 75GXP lawsuit? Yeah, we started that).
Damn, I wish I had known that. I've got one.
(What's funny is, a LLF fixed the clicking issue on the refirbed drive that I got back a year ago!)
Posted: 2003-12-05 01:28am
by Slartibartfast
Well, I tried installing the detonator 5x on my geforce2 and it crashed every time on boot. I had to do a restore and install 44.something.
Posted: 2003-12-05 01:02pm
by TrailerParkJawa
Nvidia's headquarters are 3-4 miles down the road. Anyone want me to go down there and yell at them?
Seriously though, Id bet they are way understaffed and somethings are just not getting fixed. If you drive by on a fricking Saturday night there are people in the parking lot and the lights are on. While this was not uncommon in the dot com days, it is a complete shock today.
Posted: 2003-12-05 01:35pm
by muse
Pull the plug on the fan and hook it up to a power source other than the video card. This way the fan's always on and nothing the video card can do will shut it off. I did this to my CPU fan which is a variable speed one that ramps up & down with temperature. It never ramped up enough so I ended up snipping the sensor wire and hooking it directly to the power supply on the computer case. Now it runs on high all the time and my computer doesn't overheat and crash anymore.
Posted: 2003-12-05 01:37pm
by Rogue 9
Well, this is why I don't use NVIDIA cards. *Goes off to happily play Warcraft 3 using a functioning video card.*
Posted: 2003-12-05 03:12pm
by Hamel
And they say ATI has the shitty drivers
Posted: 2003-12-05 03:31pm
by Vertigo1
TrailerParkJawa wrote:Nvidia's headquarters are 3-4 miles down the road. Anyone want me to go down there and yell at them?
Seriously though, Id bet they are way understaffed and somethings are just not getting fixed. If you drive by on a fricking Saturday night there are people in the parking lot and the lights are on. While this was not uncommon in the dot com days, it is a complete shock today.
Maybe you could yell at them for me over that Macrovision debacle.
Re: NVIDIA can fuck themselves sideways with a chainsaw....
Posted: 2003-12-05 08:41pm
by Arthur_Tuxedo
MKSheppard wrote:I just discovered why my card keeps overheating with the
new Detonator drivers:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/for ... page16.asp
"However, NVIDIA's filtering in D3D applications and the cooling issue
we encountered with GeForce FX 5200 Ultra does leave us very
concerned. If you don't find yourself playing Halo or Tomb Raider
everyday, you may want to wait this driver release out until it's been
battle-tested a little bit longer. Detonator 44.03 certainly didn't
last long. Also, we highly recommend GeForce FX 5200 Ultra owners keep
a very close eye on their card's fan if they plan to upgrade to 52.16.
If you find that your fan does not operate after upgrading to 52.16,
revert back to 45.23 immediately. The new features and performance
gains seen here just aren't worth the risk of potentially damaging
your hardware.
I checked this by pulling my case off and checking the fan on my GeForce
FX 5200 Ultra and yep, it wasn't spinning. I then removed the latest
detonators and booted into Windows with just the bog standard 256 color
VGA driver and yep, the fan is spinning now....
What sort of fucking idiot makes the god damn SOFTWARE control the damn fan, and this is the fucking ULTRA line...
Not to drag this off topic, but why the fuck did you get an FX5200 line card? I'd bet my GeForce 3 is faster. You should have asked for advice here before making a decision like that so everyone could have told you not to.
Re: NVIDIA can fuck themselves sideways with a chainsaw....
Posted: 2003-12-05 08:43pm
by MKSheppard
Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:
Not to drag this off topic, but why the fuck did you get an FX5200 line card?
Because the fucking GeForce 4 Ti we had burned up for some
strange reason, and because it was the only fucking
GeForce card within our price range of not being ridiculously expensive...
Re: NVIDIA can fuck themselves sideways with a chainsaw....
Posted: 2003-12-06 03:36pm
by Arthur_Tuxedo
MKSheppard wrote:Because the fucking GeForce 4 Ti we had burned up for some
strange reason, and because it was the only fucking
GeForce card within our price range of not being ridiculously expensive...
I see. Well my condolences then. *Orders 21 gun salute for the dear departed GF4*
Posted: 2003-12-06 04:15pm
by Hamel
My Gf4 Mx sucks some ass
Can't run shit for shat on it
Posted: 2003-12-06 08:14pm
by MKSheppard
Hamel wrote:
Can't run shit for shat on it
Of course. MX cards are the spawn of satan. Merely warmed over
GeForce 2s
Posted: 2003-12-06 08:21pm
by The Kernel
Yeah the GeForce MX was truly a piece of shit.
I just bought myself a 5900 non-ultra off Pricewatch for $195. Same chip and 256-bit memory bus as the 5900-ultra. With a little luck, I should be able to overclock it to 5900/5950 levels. Hot damn!