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Its thin its light, but the question is...
Can it make tea?

If it can't play games it is useless.

Laird wrote:If it can't play games it is useless.

But there ARE games for Macs. Just lack of RTSes, I think.

Besides, a laptop is for work.

You can get C&C:G for Mac now (was just ported).

Xisiqomelir, lovely laptop but IMHO the PB17 is something of a waste I'd rather take the backlit-keyboard PB15

Waste of....? Money? It's not THAT expensive.

My keyboard is backlit too, FYI

Xisiqomelir wrote:Waste of....? Money? It's not THAT expensive.

Bah. Lapzilla is TEH HUGE. The PB15 is more svelte. Either that, or I'd get an IBM Thinkpad T41p

My keyboard is backlit too, FYI

I know

So are you gonna turn it into a real computer and install GNU/Linux on it?

Mr Bean wrote:Its thin its light, but the question is...
Can it make tea?

No, macs are used for Coffee...

I'll admit you can do a few things with a Mac, but they are always far too expensive. I can see paying almost 3 grand for a high-end gaming laptop, your paying for desktop hardware shoved into a "mobile" shell (if you can call those 10pounders mobile, or laptops), but the mac? It's just costly, and if you play games; and we all do, it is almost completely worthless. You can't argue that, don't even try.

InnocentBystander wrote:It's just costly, and if you play games; and we all do, it is almost completely worthless. You can't argue that, don't even try.

My games:

1) Duris

2) NetHack

ukamikazu wrote:So are you gonna turn it into a real computer and install GNU/Linux on it?

When I have BSD kernel? I get all my *nix stuff via an apt-get frontend

InnocentBystander wrote:I'll admit you can do a few things with a Mac, but they are always far too expensive. I can see paying almost 3 grand for a high-end gaming laptop, your paying for desktop hardware shoved into a "mobile" shell (if you can call those 10pounders mobile, or laptops), but the mac? It's just costly, and if you play games; and we all do, it is almost completely worthless. You can't argue that, don't even try.

This guy is starting to annoy me. There are uses for a computer other than games. And there are games, just a more limited selection.*




*Not a Mac user, a Linux user.

InnocentBystander wrote:I'll admit you can do a few things with a Mac, but they are always far too expensive.

Their laptop line is generally competitive.

Lets compare, shall we?

IBM ThinkPad T41
Pentium-M 1.4GHz
512MB DDR SDRAM
40GB 5400RPM HD
CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo Drive
14.1" 1024x768 display, 32MB R7500 video
Gbit Ethernet, 802.11b/g WLAN
USB 2.0
4.5 lbs
$2379

Apple Powerbook G4 (15")
PowerPC 7447 1.33GHz
512MB DDR SDRAM (* Effectively SDR speeds)
60GB 4200RPM HD
DVD-R/CD-RW
15.2" 1280x854 display, 64MB R9700 video
Gbit Ethernet, 802.11 b/g WLAN, Bluetooth
USB 2.0, IEEE 1394a/b
5.7 lbs
$2299

The IBM laptop has a faster processor (P-M is better than G4e in both clockrate and IPC) and faster RAM. The Mac laptop has a much faster GPU, a DVD-R/CD-RW, FireWire and a larger (and higher-resolution) display. The IBM laptop probably has a bit higher build quality over the PB15.

I can see paying almost 3 grand for a high-end gaming laptop, your paying for desktop hardware shoved into a "mobile" shell (if you can call those 10pounders mobile, or laptops), but the mac?

People spend $3+ grand on non-gaming laptops. You should look at HP and IBM's "mobile workstation" laptops. They don't weigh 10 lbs either.

It's just costly, and if you play games; and we all do, it is almost completely worthless. You can't argue that, don't even try.

Um, no. You see, many people's primary use for computers, surprisingly enough, is not to play games. They are secondary considerations, and for his use his computer is more than sufficient. He may also like the 17" display.

Nice, waiting for the G5 Powerbook myself.

Enjoy it.

phongn wrote: Their laptop line is generally competitive.

Lets compare, shall we?

IBM ThinkPad T41
Pentium-M 1.4GHz
512MB DDR SDRAM
40GB 5400RPM HD
CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo Drive
14.1" 1024x768 display, 32MB R7500 video
Gbit Ethernet, 802.11b/g WLAN
USB 2.0
4.5 lbs
$2379

Apple Powerbook G4 (15")
PowerPC 7447 1.33GHz
512MB DDR SDRAM (* Effectively SDR speeds)
60GB 4200RPM HD
DVD-R/CD-RW
15.2" 1280x854 display, 64MB R9700 video
Gbit Ethernet, 802.11 b/g WLAN, Bluetooth
USB 2.0, IEEE 1394a/b
5.7 lbs
$2299

IBM is hardly the best choice when talking about the average cost of a PC laptop, as they are probably the most expensive ones, and not really mainstream.

This is from Dell:

Intel® Pentium® M Processor 1.7GHz,14.1 inch SXGA+ (1400X1050)
ATI 32MB Video (I guess a 7500, like IBM)
Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
512MB DDR SDRAM
60GB Hard Drive
4x CD/DVD burner (DVD+RW/+R)
Wireless 1450 Internal Wireless (802.11a/b/g, 54Mbps)
TrueMobile™ 300 Bluetooth Internal Card
1.2" thick, less than 5 lbs

$1,979

Shogoki wrote:IBM is hardly the best choice when talking about the average cost of a PC laptop, as they are probably the most expensive ones, and not really mainstream.

Yes, but IBM laptops actually have good build quality and reliability ... unlike, say, Dell.

That's not the point, really, you are paying less for more preformance, it's easy to find another company, if you look for it, and as crappy as Dell may be it represents the average price of a laptop PC better than IBM.

Shogoki wrote:That's not the point, really, you are paying less for more preformance, it's easy to find another company, if you look for it, and as crappy as Dell may be it represents the average price of a laptop PC better than IBM.

I was not comparing mediocre consumer laptops. I was comparing high-quality laptops.