Knights of the Old Republic 2

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2004-11-16 02:47pm

Is anyone else planning on getting this when it comes out? I'm hoping they've actually upgraded some things from KOTOR (which I liked) and not just given us the same game engine with a new plot.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-11-16 02:57pm

I played an early beta. From the looks of things, the engine hasn't changed all that much from KOTOR, although there are some neat improvements. It seems like the idea was to get a quick sequel out (a la Vice City) before moving onto a new engine for KOTOR 3. Realistically, this was the only way we'd see a new KOTOR game in anything short of four years.

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2004-11-16 03:07pm

Going to get that game ASAP!

I lovge KOTR 1 I still play it now and then

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2004-11-16 03:25pm

I wish they'd make the combat more fun. I hate "que-it-up-and-let-it-run" style.

Utah Jak · Post by **Utah Jak** » 2004-11-16 04:00pm

Faram wrote:Going to get that game ASAP!

I lovge KOTR 1 I still play it now and then

I second that! Kotor is one of the best Star Wars games ever. I really hope they fix some of the XboX glitches. However, I'll avoid these by buying the PC version.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-11-16 04:04pm

I don't have an Xbox but I think I'll buy the PC version.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-11-16 04:11pm

It's looking much more...the same but some improvements.

Hopefully they will have some reason to actually be dark other then...you getting a kinkier outfit and your chickie looking meaner.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2004-11-16 05:02pm

Although the additions to the game sound small, some of them could be quite significant in impact. For a start you can actually have your own apprentice this time, so not only do you get to act how you like, you can twist others in your mighty image.

Plus it has one of the finest designers in the industry working on it.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-11-16 09:46pm

1) Light/Dark actions that aren't saturday-morning-cartoon charicatures of Good and Evil.

2) Characters who aren't totally oblivious to you being, approximately, Satan.

3) Lightsaber combat needs work. A /lot/ of work, on an aesthetic level. ESPECIALLY duelling.

4) I'd like to see the combat flow better, instead of having very obvious pauses where everyone says 'alright, next turn.'

5) Storyline branching that is determined by your actions at several points during the game, not a dialog choice made at the very end.

6) Storyline branching that has an effect on what happens after the branch, beyond the superficial few different conversations and one or two altered fight scenes.

7) ATI support that doesn't suck big fat donkey testes. Dear god.

Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome game, which is why those parts that aren't awesome stand out like a sore thumb.

Oh, and

There are hundreds of thousands of inhabited worlds. No one gives a flying fuck about Tatooine, Kashyyk, and Dantooine just because they're mentioned in or related to characters in an adventure that will occur in four fucking thousand years. Jesus.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-11-16 10:08pm

White Haven wrote:1) Light/Dark actions that aren't saturday-morning-cartoon charicatures of Good and Evil.

Oh come on, that's half the fun! "Hmm... should I cheat the short, trusting Jawa? Should I honour our agreement? Should I throw him into the path of that Bantha? Decisions, decisions."

2) Characters who aren't totally oblivious to you being, approximately, Satan.

"You look more evil today. Are you more evil?"

3) Lightsaber combat needs work. A /lot/ of work, on an aesthetic level. ESPECIALLY duelling.

4) I'd like to see the combat flow better, instead of having very obvious pauses where everyone says 'alright, next turn.'

5) Storyline branching that is determined by your actions at several points during the game, not a dialog choice made at the very end.

6) Storyline branching that has an effect on what happens after the branch, beyond the superficial few different conversations and one or two altered fight scenes.

7) ATI support that doesn't suck big fat donkey testes. Dear god.

Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome game, which is why those parts that aren't awesome stand out like a sore thumb.

Agreed. No game is perfect.

Oh, and There are hundreds of thousands of inhabited worlds. No one gives a flying fuck about Tatooine, Kashyyk, and Dantooine just because they're mentioned in or related to characters in an adventure that will occur in four fucking thousand years. Jesus.

Ok, I completely agree with you on Tatooine, but as for Dantooine and Kashyyyk, I can't: those places rocked. Well, Dantooine didn't so much rock as it was just something new. But Kashyyyk was something cool.

SpacedTeddyBear · Post by **SpacedTeddyBear** » 2004-11-16 10:42pm

I just hope it will have a droid like HK-47. The 4000 credits was so worth the dialog he provided. I stayed true to the lightside and didn't threaten the meatbag shopkeeper to save 1500 credits. My favorite conversation pieces with HK-47
"Cheating only seems to have relevence when one is caught in the act. Otherwise it's viewed as intelligence. No?"
"It's just that, you have all these squishy parts master. And all that water. How the constant sloshing around doesn't drive you mad, I have no idea."
" I shall now meditate upon the face of my former meatbag master as he was electricuted. I find the image rather soothing."

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2004-11-17 07:59am

Ghost Rider wrote:It's looking much more...the same but some improvements.

Hopefully they will have some reason to actually be dark other then...you getting a kinkier outfit and your chickie looking meaner.

They should. The original gave you that.

Come on, don't tell me the dialogue and possible actions weren't way cooler when you went over to the Dark Side... *evil chuckle*

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-11-17 08:01am

Eleas wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:It's looking much more...the same but some improvements.

Hopefully they will have some reason to actually be dark other then...you getting a kinkier outfit and your chickie looking meaner.
They should. The original gave you that.

Come on, don't tell me the dialogue and possible actions weren't way cooler when you went over to the Dark Side... *evil chuckle*

Yes, they were...that and you could bully people

Maybe more, really...like you could truly put the fear of the Sith into the rabble as you proudly become the dominant Sith lord.

Though the idea of this Padawan emulating you. I wonder how well.

So for the Light side he becomes an ass kisser, and for the dark he becomes your whipping boy asking you to spank him for being bad...or will that be your love interest girlfriend?

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2004-11-17 09:25am

SpacedTeddyBear wrote:I just hope it will have a droid like HK-47. The 4000 credits was so worth the dialog he provided. I stayed true to the lightside and didn't threaten the meatbag shopkeeper to save 1500 credits. My favorite conversation pieces with HK-47

You really think there's another droid like HK in the galaxy? It would be the end of life as we know it...

You might well meet up with the Real Deal though. After all, T3-M4 is going to be back.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-11-17 10:33am

Ghost Rider wrote:
Eleas wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:It's looking much more...the same but some improvements.

Hopefully they will have some reason to actually be dark other then...you getting a kinkier outfit and your chickie looking meaner.
They should. The original gave you that.

Come on, don't tell me the dialogue and possible actions weren't way cooler when you went over to the Dark Side... *evil chuckle*
Yes, they were...that and you could bully people

Maybe more, really...like you could truly put the fear of the Sith into the rabble as you proudly become the dominant Sith lord.

Though the idea of this Padawan emulating you. I wonder how well.

So for the Light side he becomes an ass kisser, and for the dark he becomes your whipping boy asking you to spank him for being bad...or will that be your love interest girlfriend?

Two words: Female Padawan

Darkside, here I come.

Mr. Sinister · Post by **Mr. Sinister** » 2004-11-17 11:27am

Vendetta wrote:
SpacedTeddyBear wrote:I just hope it will have a droid like HK-47. The 4000 credits was so worth the dialog he provided. I stayed true to the lightside and didn't threaten the meatbag shopkeeper to save 1500 credits. My favorite conversation pieces with HK-47
You really think there's another droid like HK in the galaxy? It would be the end of life as we know it...

You might well meet up with the Real Deal though. After all, T3-M4 is going to be back.

Actually, there will be an HK droid in the sequel. He won't be the same HK-47 (at least as far as I know), but there will be one in the HK series.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-11-17 11:49am

One thing that would've been nice in the first KOTOR was a lesbian relationship between a female character (if you chose to be one) and Bastila.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2004-11-17 11:55am

Playing KOTOR actually introducted me to the d20 gaming system - which I had despised up to that point. I ended up going out and buying the Star Wars d20 game from WOTC. Still haven't played it, though...

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-11-17 12:49pm

Durandal wrote:One thing that would've been nice in the first KOTOR was a lesbian relationship between a female character (if you chose to be one) and Bastila.

Ah, but would that be a light side or a dark side action.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-11-17 12:57pm

neoolong wrote:
Durandal wrote:One thing that would've been nice in the first KOTOR was a lesbian relationship between a female character (if you chose to be one) and Bastila.
Ah, but would that be a light side or a dark side action.

I would say Light (just copy the male relationship) or Neutral.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-11-17 01:02pm

neoolong wrote:
Durandal wrote:One thing that would've been nice in the first KOTOR was a lesbian relationship between a female character (if you chose to be one) and Bastila.
Ah, but would that be a light side or a dark side action.

Given it's either her bitching or Carth's Whining.

Would say Light side either way...just you have something better to stare at later down the road.

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-11-17 01:17pm

I dunno, she's kinda cute if she goes darkside.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-11-17 01:20pm

White Haven wrote:I dunno, she's kinda cute if she goes darkside.

She gets a nice underwear difference...sorta.

I like the bra and panties of the light side though.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2004-11-17 03:02pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:Playing KOTOR actually introducted me to the d20 gaming system - which I had despised up to that point. I ended up going out and buying the Star Wars d20 game from WOTC. Still haven't played it, though...

Believe me, the d20 flavor KotoR uses is absolutely perfect if you want to emulate a computer game on tabletop. If you don't, however, it's one of the worst systems known to man.

Come on, you didn't think I was gonna let that go, didja?

White Haven · Post by **White Haven** » 2004-11-17 03:19pm

D20s probabilities suck. Enough said, really. /NOT/ at all a fan of that system.