VIA mini-itx-VIA C3

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-01 10:35am

Does anyone have a mini-itx board and a VIA c3 cpu? If so how is the performace for watching divx videos and playing games?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-12-01 01:51pm

It is a fairly slow, abliet low power, processor. It isn't too useful for playing games and just has enough power to play MPEG4 videos.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-01 07:23pm

phongn wrote:It is a fairly slow, abliet low power, processor. It isn't too useful for playing games and just has enough power to play MPEG4 videos.

I'm thinking of building a system with one of these. Now is what your saying from experince with the cpu or with just what other people have said? Anyways I think it would run Quake 3 arena just fine.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-12-01 08:11pm

I've seen benchmarks on them. It isn't a bad processor -- just not very fast. I've also read anecdotal reports on the 'net. It might play Q3A but I'm not sure how fast (and you'd better couple it with a GPU to take as much strain off the CPU as possible).

Why are you looking at a C3?

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-01 11:36pm

Cause their small, nice, waste less energy, and because I like getting different cpus and hardware.
Yeah I though about getting a good PCI GFx card to deal with the GFx. Probably a nVidia card.

If you haven't heard, I believe the C5s will be 64bit cpus and VIA has shown dual and quad C3 mobo, but their not out yet.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-12-01 11:37pm

Even if the C5 was 64-bit the processor simply isn't designed to go very fast. I'd rather wait for Intel's desktop P-M to come out (or failing that, spend the large amounts of money for a current desktop P-M motherboard).

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-12-02 02:13am

phongn wrote:Even if the C5 was 64-bit the processor simply isn't designed to go very fast. I'd rather wait for Intel's desktop P-M to come out (or failing that, spend the large amounts of money for a current desktop P-M motherboard).

Why not go for one of the slower Athlon 64-bit 90nm?
Their mostly faster then the P-M's, except for the high end 2GHZ one.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-02 08:29am

Ace Pace wrote:
phongn wrote:Even if the C5 was 64-bit the processor simply isn't designed to go very fast. I'd rather wait for Intel's desktop P-M to come out (or failing that, spend the large amounts of money for a current desktop P-M motherboard).
Why not go for one of the slower Athlon 64-bit 90nm?
Their mostly faster then the P-M's, except for the high end 2GHZ one.

Cause I don't want to for this build.
When I go AMD for my next bulid I'm gonna build a dually opteron-1GB for start-SCSI HDD-Geforce 6600 GT.
Yeah but the P-M's don't give ya 64bit cpus.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-02 08:31am

VIA's "Isaiah" CPU will be 64-bit
Posted on October 6, 2004

Not to be outdone by rivals AMD and Intel, VIA is taking the 64-bit plunge.
Their next generation processor after the C7 ("Esther") will combine an advanced 64-bit architecture with VIA's trademark low power design, and continues the Biblical theme with the code name of "Isaiah".

Isaiah will include a high-speed FSB, an "industry leading" Floating Point Unit that can perform floating-point additions and multiplies in two clock cycles, an increased cache size and out-of order, superscalar execution.

VIA aims to "raise the performance bar" for high definition computing, promising a processor that will simultaneously be able to decrypt a digital media stream while outputting its content in ultra-high resolution.

Expect more details down the road on this one - the expected launch date is the first half of 2006.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-02 08:32am

oppps I messed up sorry guys I meant the C7

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-12-02 09:12am

Tech^salvager wrote: Cause I don't want to for this build.
When I go AMD for my next bulid I'm gonna build a dually opteron-1GB for start-SCSI HDD-Geforce 6600 GT.
Yeah but the P-M's don't give ya 64bit cpus.

To risk hijacking, why duel Opteron's? and then putting it with a single medium-range GPU?

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-02 09:50am

Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote: Sniper
To risk hijacking

No problem I'll gladly awnser the questions.

why duel Opteron's?

I have allways wanted a dualy type setup and right now the opterons seem the best for it-other then that.
1.)performace
2.)64bit cpus
3.)hypertransport bus

and then putting it with a single medium-range GPU?

Cause the 6600GT performes well engough for a $200 card. I didn't feel the need to go for higher Gfx cards I thin that 6600GT should be enough for now.[/quote]

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-02 09:51am

Tech^salvager wrote:oppps I messed up sorry guys I meant the C7

Opps I messed up again.
Its the core after the C7 that will be 64bit

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-12-02 09:54am

Tech^salvager wrote: I have allways wanted a dualy type setup and right now the opterons seem the best for it-other then that.
1.)performace
2.)64bit cpus
3.)hypertransport bus
Cause the 6600GT performes well engough for a $200 card. I didn't feel the need to go for higher Gfx cards I thin that 6600GT should be enough for now.

Well, if your not going to be a serious gamer or playing over 1024, then thats fine, though if you go up in the resolution department it would be intresting, givin the fact we're starting to get fill rate limited up there.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-02 10:08am

Ace Pace wrote:Well, if your not going to be a serious gamer or playing over 1024, then thats fine, though if you go up in the resolution department it would be intresting, givin the fact we're starting to get fill rate limited up there.

I'm a serious gamer, but right now it wouldn't be worth getting a high costing AGP video card for that system. I would wait for my next build after the dually setup. For a PCIe setup with nVidia's SLI tech.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-12-02 10:12am

Tech^salvager wrote:
Ace Pace wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote: snip
Well, if your not going to be a serious gamer or playing over 1024, then thats fine, though if you go up in the resolution department it would be intresting, givin the fact we're starting to get fill rate limited up there.
I'm a serious gamer, but right now it wouldn't be worth getting a high costing AGP video card for that system. I would wait for my next build after the dually setup. For a PCIe setup with nVidia's SLI tech.

Wouldn't it be better to wait a few months and wait for the Nforce 4 duel-CPU motherboard to come out? I remember Xbit labs having a news article about that.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-02 10:13am

I'm probably gonna get the HL2 for xmas this year. The best package one for $99 that comes with all the extra goodies and stuff.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-02 10:14am

Ace Pace wrote:Wouldn't it be better to wait a few months and wait for the Nforce 4 duel-CPU motherboard to come out? I remember Xbit labs having a news article about that.

Probably
I'm gonna look up this board.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-12-02 11:33am

Tech^salvager wrote:
Ace Pace wrote:Wouldn't it be better to wait a few months and wait for the Nforce 4 duel-CPU motherboard to come out? I remember Xbit labs having a news article about that.
Probably
I'm gonna look up this board.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19999
What a link number, and what a specs list, enjoy. Duel Opteron, Tyan motherboard, Nforce4.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-02 11:42am

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19999
What a link number, and what a specs list, enjoy. Duel Opteron, Tyan motherboard, Nforce4.

Awesome Thanks Ace Pace. truly awesome specs.

The eATX 12x13-inch board will support 16GB of memory DDR333/400, Chipkill support, and ECC. For storage, the S2895 supports four port S-ATA with RAID and ATA-133. It will also have a dual port Ultra 320 SCSI interface with 15 devices a channel, so a total of 30 channels(I think he meant devices not channels).

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2004-12-02 11:47am

Tech^salvager wrote:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19999
What a link number, and what a specs list, enjoy. Duel Opteron, Tyan motherboard, Nforce4.
Awesome Thanks Ace Pace. truly awesome specs.

The eATX 12x13-inch board will support 16GB of memory DDR333/400, Chipkill support, and ECC. For storage, the S2895 supports four port S-ATA with RAID and ATA-133. It will also have a dual port Ultra 320 SCSI interface with 15 devices a channel, so a total of 30 channels(I think he meant devices not channels).

Probebly each channel can be split.
I'm not that knowledgeable about SCSI, but wouldn't cramming all those devices onto only 2 ports be inefficient?

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-02 12:07pm

Ace Pace wrote:Probebly each channel can be split.
I'm not that knowledgeable about SCSI, but wouldn't cramming all those devices onto only 2 ports be inefficient?

No shouldn't be

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-12-02 02:09pm

Tech^salvager wrote:I'm probably gonna get the HL2 for xmas this year. The best package one for $99 that comes with all the extra goodies and stuff.

What do you need 64-bit for if you want an HL2 box? HL2 is a 32-bit application. There aren't too many things that need 64-bit address space anyways.

By the way you two: learn how to snip.

Tech^salvager · Post by **Tech^salvager** » 2004-12-02 06:14pm

phongn wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote:cut
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I know that. Just getting ready for Windows xp 64bit and such anyways the opterons are also powerful cpus working 32bit apps.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-12-02 09:20pm

Tech^salvager wrote:I know that. Just getting ready for Windows xp 64bit and such anyways the opterons are also powerful cpus working 32bit apps.

I see you're still too dense to understand what I meant. What you did above is not how to snip on web boards. You delete the entire segment and leave the immediately preceding post (perhaps one extra level) intact so that someone can see who and what you're replying to ... just like I'm doing right now. Doing something like this:

phongn wrote:
Tech^salvager wrote:cut
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is not acceptable.

As for 64-bitness, that was in reference to VIA's low-power implementation, not for the later Opteron goodness.