Just finished Dark Side KOTOR 2 (spoilers)

[Vympel]

- Playing Dark Side, I never got the influence to convert Bao-Dur & Atton to force users. Looking at a walkthrough after the fact, I can see the opportunities I missed. I'll have to try that again (as both Light Side and Dark Side).

- Canderous becoming Mandalore was awesome. The moment I heard his voice through that helmet I just went "fucking cool".

- I liked the idea of Revan going off to fight the "real" Sith Empire out in the Unknown Regions, it had an almost "long walk" from Judge Dredd feel to it, in a way. My character decided to follow him. One powerful Sith Lord deserves a buddy (Sith Marauder).

- Atris being Dark Side was actually the only surprise that actually surprised me.

- Kreia: put simply ... what the fuck? After all of that, I really don't know what she ever wanted from my character. The force to "die"? How the fuck is someone going to do that? And why'd you go to Malachor V to do it?

- The Basilisk War Droid was not what I expected it to look like. In KOTOR they were referred to as being "ridden".

- Kreia's comments on the Mandalorians (referring to AOTC and ROTJ) was a good in-joke.

- The Ebon Hawk ... destroyed ... NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

- How can there possibly be a sequel to this game? Knowing that Kreia kills all the Jedi you gather (as light side) anyway, who can you possibly play as in a KOTOR 3? All the Jedi are gone. Aren't they?

[Cabwi Desco]

okay the basilisk is actually a very good point of contention. it actually looks more like a mandalmotors starviper (the Virago) than what we have seen in the (old) EGTV&V (either that or EGTD) as a Basilisk war droid. people say its modified (modified my ass thats a total remodel!).

Kreia was just a misguided sith lord with no real purpose other than the supposed death of the force.

the ebon hawk was not really destroyed by any means. (spoilers) the lightside ending has you flying off in a realtively repaired one at the end. (explain how they got it repaired from its crushed into the rocks and fallen into the core state in the time i was on malachor and in the trayus academy and you get a cookie) maybe its becuase everyone but madalore, bao-dur and the droids were jedi, but i doubt it.

opinion. was is handmaiden better at staying soldier or becoming a jedi guardian.

[Lord Revan]

BTW does your NPC choise depend on side (is there NPCs that you can't chose if you're dark/light jedi).

And is KOTOR 2 worth its price.

[Cabwi Desco]

yes and the only character differences are if male/female, dark/light. if male you get the handmaiden, if female you get the disciple. if darkside you get the wookie hanharr, if lightside ou get the bounty hunter mira.

and yes even if its flawed its worth the price. just to see those lightsabers hum... oh and you should actually find a use for shorties in this game.

[Ghost Rider]

BTW does your NPC choise depend on side (is there NPCs that you can't chose if you're dark/light jedi).

And is KOTOR 2 worth its price.

Like Cawbi said...four different chooseable NPC, except with Mira and Hanharr...when you reach their area, you have to be significantly of one side or the other.

And yes, it's worth the price.

And the sequel come from the Light side Ending. Distinctly so as well.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

I'm playing through my second Light Side game right now (this time as a Sentinel/future Weapon Master, first time through I did a Consular/Jedi Master). The game desperately needs a patch; preferrably with the truckloads of cut content replaced.

- I liked the idea of Revan going off to fight the "real" Sith Empire out in the Unknown Regions, it had an almost "long walk" from Judge Dredd feel to it, in a way. My character decided to follow him. One powerful Sith Lord deserves a buddy (Sith Marauder).

I thought it was alright for a Light Side Revan, but I had always seen the Dark Side ending to the original as Revan uniting the Sith and crushing the Republic... which is very much alive in the sequel, with the Sith all but dead.

- Kreia: put simply ... what the fuck? After all of that, I really don't know what she ever wanted from my character. The force to "die"? How the fuck is someone going to do that? And why'd you go to Malachor V to do it?

I've gotta agree with that. One W-T-F to Kreia. Nihilus too, what a waste. "Hey, this guy's an evil Sith Lord, go kill him now." Sion's the only villain I liked.

- The Ebon Hawk ... destroyed ... NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Only in some endings, from what I understand. Then again, post-Jedi Council reunification the game's fucked to all hell anyways and it's nigh-impossible to figure out what exactly is going on. And anyone else find the Jedi Council pretty anticlimatic?

Vrook: "h8 u lol"
Zez-Kai Ell: "You are a better Jedi than I. Perhaps we are not always right."
Kavar: "k lol"
*mumble mumble, whisper whisper*
Council: "k, we got 2 take ur force agin. sry lol"
Kreia: "noz lol" *zap* "ur ded lolz"

[Arrow]

I'm playing through a second time as well, but I'm actually disappointed with what I saw the first time through. While game is still above average, it fails to live up to expections I got from the original; which is a shame, because we all know the developers are capable of so much more (this GameSpy article, which may have already been posted here, blames LucasArts for rushing the game out the door, and I'm have to agree with that). The big thing that got me was the conversation trees - many of them just repeat over and over, without disappearing from the dialog lists or adding new dialog options. Some of the maps just feel bland, with not much purpose. And then their's the Kreia/Nihilus cop-outs. At least Sion put up a good fight with some good dialog; but he was no Malak either (Malak made you work for the kill, Sion was just to dumb to know that he was dead). And what the hell is up with Mira at the end? And why do never see what happens between Goto and the Remote?

Here's to hoping that KotOR 3 turns out better...

[Vympel]

And the sequel come from the Light side Ending. Distinctly so as well.

How do we know that? The Dark Side ending seems the same too.

I'm surprised at how many movies I haven't unlocked. I've unlocked 52/65. How can the light side have 13 movies? I don't even remember a context sensitive dark side movie (Dantooine assault comes to mind ...)

The big thing that got me was the conversation trees - many of them just repeat over and over, without disappearing from the dialog lists or adding new dialog options.

There were a few bugs in that regard, especially with Hanharr- I got his + Stength - Intelligence conversation effect twice- man he was stupid by the end of the game.

And is KOTOR 2 worth its price.

Don't let the complaints fool you, it's still awesome. It has way more content and bigger areas than KOTOR, and the plot, though vague near th end, is still pretty fun. The way the characters react to you etc is great. Having a fully dark side face and hearing people's reactions is hilarious "what the hell, have you got some kind of plague?!"

[Ghost Rider]

And the sequel come from the Light side Ending. Distinctly so as well.

How do we know that? The Dark Side ending seems the same too.

I'm surprised at how many movies I haven't unlocked. I've unlocked 52/65. How can the light side have 13 movies? I don't even remember a context sensitive dark side movie (Dantooine assault comes to mind ...)

I'ver only gotten at four times through 60/62 of the movies.

Also the reason I say the light side, is literally while the ending is utterly crappy(and I mean the bullshit movie that is absolutely worthless except as a segway into a sequel ending,) is just that. Literally they were pushing for a sequel, especially when she starts rattiling off about your destiny.

There were a few bugs in that regard, especially with Hanharr- I got his + Stength - Intelligence conversation effect twice- man he was stupid by the end of the game.

Ah, the absuing of this....Handmaiden was my cash cow for this reason alone.

[consequences]

Strength for intelligence only twice? I did it until his Intel was three, then kept doing it out of boredom. Not nearly as easy a bug to exploit as the Korriban infinite Hssiss cheat.

Of course, I only have played it on X-box, they may very well have fixed some of this for the PC.

[Vympel]

I'm playing as Dark Side again now- my *proper* game now that I've discovered what's best- though of course I'm skipping over dialog I've heard before.

I gave myself the Repair cross-class feat (I'm Jedi Guardian) so I could work on T3 a bit. In exchange I'm not getting the heavy armour feat since I transitioned to robes so quick.

Can't wait to see Jedi Atton and Bao-Dur ...

Then it's one proper light side game ...

then it's CHEATING TIME Set all attribs and feats to max and awaaaaayyy we go

[SpacedTeddyBear]

Towards the end, you can tell how much the game was rushed. I made a small thread about it here, included is a link which list the ending which was cut from the final version.
In order to get Bao-Dur to become a Jedi, you must do good deeds when he is present. Complement him as much as possible. Nar Shaada is a place to do some good stuff. It will be hard to stay dark when trying to gain influence on naturally "light" sided characters. Same for Atton. Take him to the refugee sector in Nar Shaada. Walk around for a while until you toggle the conversation between 2 twileks.

[Manus Celer Dei]

- Canderous becoming Mandalore was awesome. The moment I heard his voice through that helmet I just went "fucking cool".

Unfortunately, he no longer screams "FOR MANDALORE!" as he charges into battle. "For Clan Ordo!" isn't as good.

- I liked the idea of Revan going off to fight the "real" Sith Empire out in the Unknown Regions, it had an almost "long walk" from Judge Dredd feel to it, in a way.

I thought the exact same thing.

Seriously, though. Sion and Nihilous really didn't get the development they deserved. The reason Sion was nigh-invunerable and could regenerate any injury? "From the Trayus Academy, Sion learned Pain" and some half-assed blurb about the dark-side flowing through him yadayadayada.

Nihilous didn't even get the blurb. Just that he learned "Hunger". And deciding to make all his parts that "mysterious whispering" was fucking stupid. I had been hoping that Nihilous was some sort of bizzare force-draining entity created when the Exile cut himself off from the force, but noooo.

And they turned HK-47 into a pussy. And never explained what the deal was with the HK-50 droids. And the GO-TO droid had NO role in the plot whatsoever. [/rant]

Fortunately, everything else in this game is nigh-perfect.

[Ghost Rider]

Sion and Nihilus were by far the weakest parts of the game.

Sion was basically a constant regenrating being who was fueld by his conviction of the Dark Side and that he was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Too bad that is basically dumped onto you if you yabber and infer.

Nihilus?

He's out to destroy the Force/ Silence it.

Nothing else....literally he exists to be your five-ten second cannon fodder as you kill him in less then a round.

On the Hk-50...they were replica that someone took off of the HK-47s. There was supposed to be a mission of destroying them.

And Go-To is a barometer of the galaxy affairs...not much more. Though interesting to see a droid become a crime boss. His tree took way too long to find everything.

[Tatterdemalion]

I'm playing through a second time as well, but I'm actually disappointed with what I saw the first time through. While game is still above average, it fails to live up to expections I got from the original; which is a shame, because we all know the developers are capable of so much more (this GameSpy article, which may have already been posted here, blames LucasArts for rushing the game out the door, and I'm have to agree with that).

Definately, look at some of the stuff they had to cut out of the ending.

+http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php ... ntry270627

Apparently the voices for these segments (and a half-complete HK-50 factory level) are actually in the games files too, so they must have been cut out right at the last minute, damn Lucasarts.

Nihulus was just some random Jedi you served with on Malachor V who, like you, became a wound in the force except that his wound was so bad he wanted to consume the entire galaxy.

As I understood it, Kreia wanted to understand what you were and how you were cut off from the force/became a wound in the force so that she could replicate the results on a galactic scale and drain the force from the galaxy. Basically she hated the force because she hated the idea of being controlled by a higher power.

[Arrow]

<snip>

DAAAAMMMMMNNNNN!!!! That would had been an awesome ending!

[AniThyng]

is the "real" sith empire that same sith empire that was in involved in the great hyperspace war or what? *is slowly getting confused and has no inclination to dig up Tales of the Jedi comics to refresh self*

[Ghost Rider]

is the "real" sith empire that same sith empire that was in involved in the great hyperspace war or what? *is slowly getting confused and has no inclination to dig up Tales of the Jedi comics to refresh self*

Not quite. The hints seem to be that Marko Ragnos and such were on the edges of what is consider to be the Sith Empire, rather then being at the core of it.

[AniThyng]

Not quite. The hints seem to be that Marko Ragnos and such were on the edges of what is consider to be the Sith Empire, rather then being at the core of it.

hmm..i see...so all those sith lords..Ragnos, Freedon Nadd et. al. were ambitious "provincials"?

[Vympel]

I wouldn't say that. They found Sith teachings, that's different.

[AniThyng]

I wouldn't say that. They found Sith teachings, that's different.

so to clarify - the Sith Empire that invaded during the hyperspace war 5000 BBY is not the "real" sith empire that revan went to seek out, but rather a sort of...skirting at the edges shadow of it? i know it's probably going to involve retcons all around, but the somewhat awkward way KOTOR meshs with the TOTJ era is a little annoying since i read those comics...

not to mention the really wussy jedi council which is not at alllike how i remember it being just 40 years prior during Exar Kun's war...

and is this the same Unknown regions of the later eras?

offhand...KOTOR's republic, always tetering...i get the feeling that's more like the way the republic would have been if it were going to be reformed like it finally did at ruusan 3000 years later. lighting striking twice?


one last thing..i just got "Rakatan goggles" or something like that. the description, paraphrased " These were named for the rakatans, a race of lying primatives who claim to be responsible for every major galactic event since the invention of the hyperdrive!"

[consequences]

I just managed an even more absurd feat of silliness with Hanharr, getting his intelligence to loop down through zero, and back to 252. The really sad thing is that I didn't even notice this until it came time to level him up, and I found myself with over a hundred skill points.

[Oberleutnant]

For those lazy bastards who don't want to click the link provided by Tatterdemalion.




Some of the things that didn't make it to the final version of the game thanks to the rushed "Get the game ready for Christmas" deadline

Ok, I've cleaned the stuff provided by Aurora up, trying to make it more reader friendly. I also reordered it so that some scenes make more sense, added some comments regarding which should play depending on whether your character's gender and dark/light side alignment, and put in tentative timings on when they should play. My comments are in <>s, and italicized.



Challenging Kreia <Takes place no matter what. Lines involving Mira may not be present, if Mira isn't in the party. Interesting that Bao-Dur may be a Jedi, but he isn't present in any of this. From the note included with the dialogue the party has before they approach Kreia, the party's discussion of planning an attack shouldn't occur. I still include it, because I like it. I had to guess on who said most of it, but it seems about right. Takes place right as the Exile enters the Academy.>

{[Gameplay Programmer: DO NOT SCRIPT THIS. Kreia is sitting in the middle of the Trayus Core, meditating.]}

Mira: {Quietly}I say we fire a rocket at her right now, and blow her screaming, burning body into the heart of this planet.

Atton: It wouldn't work- if there were other distractions, maybe, if she wasn't telepathic, maybe. If you want to kill her like that, you need something else to occupy her attention, otherwise you might just wound her. And then we'd all be in trouble.

Disciple/Handmaiden: This battle will not be decided by weapons.

Visas: You are wrong. Manipulation is Kreia's strength, not battle. We have a chance... we just have to figure out how to make use of it. Let us see what transpires... and plan our attack.{[Gameplay Programmer: Pauses, looks around, realizes that Atton is gone.]}{[Gameplay Programmer: Fight between Atton and Kreia, short, quick, brutal.]}

<Kreia sits back down, if the above occurs. If so, Atton doesn't give his line, nor does she speak to him at the end.>

Mira: {With weapon at the ready}We've come a long way, Kreia... don't bother getting up.

Kreia: {Indulgent, doesn't move}Ah, the huntress. To come alone... you are braver than I thought.

Disciple/Handmaiden: She is not alone. We stand with her. And with her, stand all the Jedi.{Strides in, behind other Jedi, lightsaber raised}

Atton: And now I come in, saying something suitably heroic.

Kreia: {Mild contempt, doesn't even bother getting up}Children with lightsabers... {smiles contemptuously, beat}but not Jedi, I think.

Kreia: {[Gameplay Programmer: Kreia gets up.]}Come close, let me look upon you and see what the exile's teaching has forged.

Kreia: {[Gameplay Programmer: Looks across the "heroes," camera pans across them - just do a series of close ups if we have no animated camera]}An assassin, a slayer of her own kin, a blinded slave... and a fool.{Indulgent}Which of you wishes to try yourselves against me? As you can see, I am unarmed.

Kreia: <turns to Handmaiden, if Exile is male> You, perhaps? Come, child, where you walk, it is not far from battle, slaughter, and the blood of your sisters.

Kreia: <turns to Disciple, if Exile is female> Come, boy, face me now - do not make this one of the many battles you have run from.

{[Disciple/Handmaiden attacks, Kreia barely moves, deftly avoiding every blow, then gets bored, and grabs the Handmaiden/Disciple by the throat, or in a Force Crush.]}

<if Exile male, to Handmaiden> Think. Think before you throw away your life for him. Think of everything you will lose by dying.Your lusts unfulfilled. A dance, unfinished. A love, requited. Think before you give it up so quickly.

<if Exile female, to Disciple> Think. Think before you throw away your life for her. Think of everything you will lose by dying. A love, requited. A hope of another life, beyond the shadow of the Jedi. {Beat before last sentence}Think before you give it up so quickly.

<presumably the Disciple/Handmaiden collapses at this point>

Kreia: {[Gameplay Programmer: Kreia turns to Visas.]}And you, blind one, you have hungered to strike me down ever since you saw the bond the exile and I share.

Visas: Can you feel the Force running through me, even past the veil, past your bloodied eyes? You know you cannot win. The Force runs strong within you, Traya, but in the howling of a storm, it is difficult to hear the whisper of the blade. You have forever been the blind one. You were given a gift few are ever given, and yet you let your gift of sight warp you, tw-

Kreia: {[Calm, like a surgeon, Kreia does Force Crush, lifting Visas up.]}You think your existence under your Lord was torture, Miraluka? I will make you see.{[Pause as Visas lies, collapsed.]}

Kreia: {Turns to Mira} And you. You were stronger than I thought - to spare the beast that wished to kill you. I felt it, faintly, even here on Malachor. Come, huntress. You have tracked me so far and killed many beasts to be here. Come, huntress. You have tracked me so far. Cast away your past for this moment. <Presumably, Kreia disables Mira somehow, probably Force Crush>

Kreia: <turns to Atton> And now... at last, the fool. You only delay the inevitable. You have been difficult to sense before... but not now. You can cloak your mind only for so long. It is only a matter of coaxing the right thought to the surface. Your desire to protect the Jedi... and the hope that will kill the guilt inside you.

Kreia: <if Exile is male> He will fall before me, you know. And when I am done with him, I will watch as he murders you with the Force.

Kreia: <if Exile is female> It is only a matter of coaxing the right thought to the surface. Your desire to protect the Jedi... and the hope that she truly cares about you...She will fall before me, you know. And when I am done with her, she will view you with all the contempt I do for a murderer such as you.

<Atton collapses in despair, or Kreia disables him with Force Crush.>

Kreia: <to Sion?> And that is the last of them. Take them. They are strong in the Force... and they will have their uses. I will remain here and await the one who comes.



Atton torture/death/love: <This set of scenes should be shown if the Exile is female, and has more Influence with Atton than with the Disciple. I did some heavy reordering of this, to help it make more sense. Also, I took part of it that didn't seem to "fit", and made it into a seperate scene.>

<The first scene of two should be about the time you enter the second area of the Academy, the Proving Grounds.>

{[Cut to a scene of Sion's face, smiling.]}{[Sion advances through the halls. Atton comes to face him, looking a little sheepish. Darth Sion draws his blade against Atton.] }

Sion: And I get the fool.

Atton: Funny - that's just what I was thinking.{[Gameplay Programmer: Sion levitates Atton into the air, holding him in place.]}

{[At the end, Sion cuts off his arm, then leaves Atton on the ground, writhing in pain but Atton staggers to his feet, still wounded. Sion stops, turns.]}

Atton: {Weakly, just had hand cut off}Running away? I'm not done with you yet.

Sion: Nor I you. {Levitates Atton}I will remake you. So when I look upon you it shall be like a mirror. Then I shall let you die.

Atton: There's... nothing worse you can do to me. Take your time.


<The second scene of two should be on the path to the Core, right after you fight Sion. The player actually seems to get a choice in this dialogue, if I'm interpreting the text correctly. It's listed the same way dialogue in the game is listed. Again, only if you are female, and have higher Influence with Atton than the Disciple.>


{[Gameplay Programmer: Player walks down the path, sees Atton's crumpled body. Player kneels, Atton's choked voice, dying. Atton's words slur a bit in places because of the pain, and his voice should get weaker all the way until the end.]}

Atton: You're... alive. Did... I... save you yet?Your eyes... {sees player's horrified expression}that bad, eh? {Turns away, quiet}Always was ugly.... now the outside matches. Was waiting for this, but...S' not fair... let you down...

Player:
1. Atton, hold on, I can still help you.
2. Shhh... you've lost a lot of blood.
3. Yes. Be still.
4. Malachor touched all of us. We all died there, and the echo kept traveling. It just took a while to reach us.

Atton: {winces, in pain}was s'posed to save you. S' tired of living anyway... too many deaths... {winces, a little quieter}never told you... lied to you...{Dry chuckle}

Player:
1. I think we all saved each other.... Visas, the Handmaiden, Kreia. And you, Atton.
2. I think we were all supposed to save each other.... Visas, the Handmaiden, Kreia. And you, Atton.
3. You did, Atton. You fought bravely, and I could not ask for a greater sacrifice.

Atton: {Laugh dies, Pained, humiliated, doesn't want the player to see him dying}I don't want you to see me like this. I don't want to die in front of you. Can't bear it. Loved you from the moment I first saw you, thought you were a dream......meant every word... tried to play it off as a joke... wasn't funny...

Player:
1. All that was your past is forgiven, Atton. Be still.
2. You never needed to tell me, Atton. I knew.
3. If you're trying to get rid of me, it's not working.
4. There is no death, Atton. There is only the Force.
5. No. I will stay with you until the end comes.

Atton: {Dry chuckle}Hurts when I laugh. Hurts...You... saved me... joke's on me...{Dry chuckle, winces}Hurts when I laugh. Hurts...{[Gameplay Programmer: Atton doesn't turn as he says the above sentence.]}

{[Slow fade of the sound below as the camera pulls back. Adam, this animation request has been fired off to the animators.]}



Atton, warped to the darkside, attacks Disciple: <This scene should be shown if the Exile is female, and has more Influence with Disciple than Atton. It takes place right as you enter the second area of the Academy, the Proving Grounds.>

{[Disciple walks into the room, looking around. As he looks around, Atton steps from behind him, in a creepy, yet casual way.]}

Atton: Hey, kid.

Disciple: {Initially relieved}Atton... the exile, where is she?

Atton: {Shrugs, but evil}She's safe, you don't need to worry about her. You never did, really. You know how long it's been since I killed a Jedi? You get a taste for it, you know. I killed a bunch here on Malachor, while the planet was dying. <ed. note-this doesn't make much sense-right up until after Malachor, Revan was still a Jedi, albeit a rogue Jedi, and Atton would have been serving with the Republic still-so why would he be killing Jedi?>

Atton: Killing a half-Jedi like you should hold me over until the next one comes along. They always do, you know.

Disciple: {Firm}Atton, Kreia is using y- {"using you"}

Atton: Really? I had no idea. Everyone uses each other, kid. And if she's using me to kill you, as I see it, I really don't lose anything.I already lost what mattered to me. I wanted to protect her, to help her, and then you show up, playing hero. Fine.

Disciple: {Firm}Atton, the feelings between the exile and I...

Atton: Doesn't matter, not anymore. I had forgotten how much I hate Jedi. And the less of you that are in the galaxy, the better.Ready to die, kid?

Disciple: {Firm}I won't fight you, Atton.

Atton:I don't care - I just want you to die.{[Atton draws his weapon at the end.]}{[Starts advancing toward Disciple]}

Disciple: {[Gets into ready stance.]}



Visas fighting Handmaidens: <Play this scene if the Exile is male, and has more Influence with Visas than with the Handmaiden. I cut some of it because it didn't really have anything to do with Visas fighting the Handmaiden. This scene takes place at about the time you first enter the second are of the Academy, the Proving Grounds.>

<Alternatively, this might just be a scene for Handmaidens vs. Visas, not THE Handmaiden vs. Visas. Not sure if this is the case, I'm going to assume it's THE Handmaiden vs. Visas. If it's just generic Handmaidens, this scene might take place right after or before the Mira vs. Hanharr scene.>

{[Gameplay Programmer: Have a scene where Visas is walking amongst the corridors of the Academy.]}{She stops, waits for a moment, draws her blade, as the corrupted Handmaidens step from the shadows, like Darth Vader when Luke is going down beneath Bespin. She'll draw her blade.}

Handmaiden: A Sith stalking amongst the Sith. Your kind fear each other, betrayers and murderers, all.

Visas: Sister of the Echani, you must listen to me. Kreia is using your feeling ag...

Handmaiden: Be silent. I have listened to you corrupt others... the exile... with your words. I have seen you erode his will, bit by bit, over our journey until he echoes your corruption. {Trying to be challenging, but pained} And because of you, I have lost one for whom I cared deeply.

Visas: You must listen to me.

Handmaiden: No. There will be no more words between us{[The two draw weapons as the screen fades to black.]}



Handmaiden/Visas: <This set of scenes should be shown if the Exile is male, and the character speaking is whoever the character has more Influence with.>

<Alternatively, the Handmaiden might be present if you are light side, Visas if you are dark side.>

<Either way, it should take place right after you fight Kreia.>

Handmaiden/Visas: You are leaving? I... I would come with you, if you will allow it.

Player?: No, I require you to stay here, at the Trayus Core, and train others, as Kreia trained me. You... cannot come with me. I need someone to stay here at the edge of known space, and show others the way. I need someone to show them the way. As Kreia showed me the way.

Handmaiden/Visas: Others? What do you mean?

Player?: Kreia spoke of Revan, and another war that waits beyond the Outer Rim. You must gather forces here, and wait. Yes, others will come. And you must train them until they are ready to pass on to the next war.

Handmaiden/Visas: Others?I... shall do as you ask. I shall train others who will follow.{Quietly, knows the answer is never} When will you return? I will do as you ask. If it is important to you, I shall see it through. Your journey... will you return?

Player?: Where I go, I cannot take anyone I care for. You must remain, for others will come.

{[Gameplay Programmer: Player walks off, in silence, and keeps walking toward the Trayus Core, and is gone. The Handmaiden (or Visas) watches the player for a time, without saying anything.]}

<Note that the above scene could take place if you are female, but only if the scene below doesn't take place.>



{[As the player walks off the Core, Atton is leaning against a pillar, off to the side.]} <This scene should take place if the PC is female, and assumes that Atton didn't fight either Sion or the Disciple. Think of it as an alternative to Sion killing him, if you're getting all teary eyed over that possibility. If it does take place, it occurs instead of the Handmaiden/Visas dialogue above, and right after you fight Kreia.>

Atton: {Trying to be casual, but wants to go with the player}Need any company? {Beat, casual}I mean, I'm not doing anything. Besides, if I'm not around to bail you out of trouble, who knows what could happen.

<player says something at this point, something the lines of "sure you can come">

Atton: All right, then. {Beat}Where are we going again? I mean, because last time, we were heading toward this mining colony on the edge of space, and there was this Sith Lord, and...



<Cut to credits, scene of Ebon Hawk taking off, whatever.>

About the HK factory


http://camilachan.free.fr/HK-47_-_Torture_Session.mp3
[HK is torturing an HK-50 unit to make him confess the location of the HK Factory]

47: Command: You will talk.
50: Defiant Statement: There is nothing you can do to me. Do your worst.
{Being electrocuted}Agonized Exclamation: Ah, my photoreceptors! My photoreceptors!
47: Statement: I shall up the charge to your circuits next time. Now answer the question.
50: {Just electrocuted, a little weak}Posturing Statement: I will never talk.
47: Statement: Then I will have to settle for your screams.
Atton: {Watching HK torture the droid, shaking his head, disturbed}That is one sick droid.

{The HK-50 unit screams in a most comical way}

47: Statement: My prisoner has revealed something of interest. Allow me to share it with you.
Statement: The facility that is creating these cruder, unsophisticated versions of me is located on Telos. I propose we go there and turn it into a smoldering crater.


There are some dialog lines too involving some training the HK units undertook in the facility, like victim torturing/interrogating techniques that are HILARIOUS (It includes a masoquist unit and a begging unit). HK-47 managed to enter the factory and destroyed the HK-50s with help from the new HK-51s. These last units question -47 about their purpose in the universe, and he answers in a most enjoyable way...

http://camilachan.free.fr/HK-50_-_A_willing_victim.mp3
http://camilachan.free.fr/HK-50_-_My_photoreceptors.mp3
http://camilachan.free.fr/HK-47_-_Once_upon_a_time.mp3

And HK-47 talking about Carth and Bastila
http://camilachan.free.fr/HK-47_-_Pheromone-driven.mp3



from Eji
Atton's final moments after he gets hacked to pieces by Sion (see the first quoted part) http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~eji/KoTOR2/attondeath.wma




KOTOR 2 was an excellent game until the Jedi gathered together on Dantooine. From there on it felt obviously rushed, though having Canderous on your side aboard Ravager was awesome. Sith Lords is still a fantastic game, but not quite as good as the original. The way how it seamlessly continues the original, expanding its story . . . the same magic is still there.

Now, I'm about to start a game as a light sider, and I intend to solve situations the way I would act in player character's place.

[Vympel]

And HK-47 talking about Carth and Bastila

That's actually in the game though.

[Lord Revan]

Really stupid question but the lift code in the spacestation (first "true"-level?