Metal Gear Solid, or Death to Hideo

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-02-20 10:11pm

Okay, someone somewhere worked out Hideo Kojima was an idiot back in the day: they released the virtual missions. It sold (I'm told) better than MGS. So... why, oh why, do they keep wasting their engine on horrible Hideo? Let him preach his preachyness, let him have his 30 minute text-only stare-at-the-screen-bored sections. Then use the engine to make a proper game. MGS3 did it AGAIN, and they've got a great engine and its horribly short. BAH.

I'm not against deep stories, or Japanese 'we hate you' storytelling. I just want a GAME too. Why the hell would I BUY MGS3 when I can finish it in one sitting?

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2005-02-21 12:15am

All right, I must ask this: how the FUCK did you manage to finish MGS3 in one sitting? How much of a god of videogaming are you? I mean, I know you probably skipped the cut scenes, but still, how much marathon gaming did it take to do that in one sitting?!

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-02-21 02:53am

Is MGS3 even out yet?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2005-02-21 04:01am

Vympel wrote:Is MGS3 even out yet?

Ummm...yes.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-02-21 05:31am

In Australia I mean. Fuck. I better go buy it.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-02-21 07:49am

I've got it pre-ordered here (by "I've", I mean my brother) and I think it's out 4th March, at least in the UK. The US for some reason gets MGS before anyone else, not really sure why.

In anycase, I hope it elaborates on certain points and I really want to see the Sons of Boss fight.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2005-02-21 12:09pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I've got it pre-ordered here (by "I've", I mean my brother) and I think it's out 4th March, at least in the UK. The US for some reason gets MGS before anyone else, not really sure why.

In anycase, I hope it elaborates on certain points and I really want to see the Sons of Boss fight.

Cause they release one version in Europe that has to be translated to German, French, and Italian IIRC.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-02-21 12:37pm

Anarchist Bunny wrote:
Cause they release one version in Europe that has to be translated to German, French, and Italian IIRC.

Ah, what about the Japanese version, hmm?

salm · Post by **salm** » 2005-02-21 02:07pm

sons of liberty was reasonably long. granted it wasn´t r-type on hard but for a modern game it was long enough. and cool. kojima rules.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2005-02-21 02:53pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Anarchist Bunny wrote:
Cause they release one version in Europe that has to be translated to German, French, and Italian IIRC.
Ah, what about the Japanese version, hmm?

The original MGS sold better in the US then in Japan so ever since MGS2, it has been Kojima's habit to do a US release first as a thank you to fans. It's just another one of the little things that I like about the guy; it's not like Square couldn't do the same thing with the FF games instead of doing a six month lag between markets.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-02-21 03:16pm

And gives the finger to Europe! We don't even get an extra DVD this time round, though we do still get the extra hard levels and maybe one or two minor extras.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2005-02-21 03:19pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:And gives the finger to Europe! We don't even get an extra DVD this time round, though we do still get the extra hard levels and maybe one or two minor extras.

Yes, it sucks, we know. But in Kojima and just about every other game developer that does a passable job of translating to PAL's defense, it takes a LOT of effort to get a game to run at the proper sync without borders, not to mention the translation difficulties. This of course doesn't apply to companies that come in six months late with a shoddy port, but you can understand the delay for the more upstanding game makers.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-02-21 03:21pm

Bastards should be using PAL anyway, stupid Never Twice the Same Colour format.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2005-02-21 03:29pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Bastards should be using PAL anyway, stupid Never Twice the Same Colour format.

This brings up an interesting question: are the European HDTV standards the same as ours? If they are, then the next genereation of consoles will pretty much do away with the whole translation factor as all the next gen consoles will run games at either 720p or 1080i.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-02-22 07:54am

The Kernel wrote:
This brings up an interesting question: are the European HDTV standards the same as ours? If they are, then the next genereation of consoles will pretty much do away with the whole translation factor as all the next gen consoles will run games at either 720p or 1080i.

HDTV hasn't taken off here (read: no one knows what it is, in the UK by and large) since the digital bandwidth is used for better standard quality resolution (SDTV) but more interactive features and channels. The satellite standards for HDTV have been set since last year, but no one seems really bothered yet. Until everyone has digital in a few years time, there's no need to tell everyone to get HDTV which is already looking set to be replaced by far better alernatives anyway (the Japanese have the right idea, I want telly with higher resolution than reality!).

Isil`Zha · Post by **Isil`Zha** » 2005-02-28 04:36am

BTW, it does answer questions that were left unanswered at the end of MGS2....

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-02-28 05:08am

MGS3 is not out here yet, liars!

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2005-02-28 10:18am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:And gives the finger to Europe! We don't even get an extra DVD this time round, though we do still get the extra hard levels and maybe one or two minor extras.

He gave y'all the love in Zone of the Enders: the 2nd Runner. How come 'yall get to have the Mars Melee as an extra mission?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2005-02-28 10:42am

The original MGS sold better in the US then in Japan so ever since MGS2, it has been Kojima's habit to do a US release first as a thank you to fans. It's just another one of the little things that I like about the guy; it's not like Square couldn't do the same thing with the FF games instead of doing a six month lag between markets.

Six months? Yeah, if we're lucky. Usually it's a bit longer than that.

I don't really get it either, FF games will ALWAYS sell like hotcakes in the U.S. I don't see why they wouldn't want to get the games out earlier - maybe it's just the fact that the Japanese management doesn't really get the American market.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-02-28 10:51am

For the record for those unaware, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater takes place in the early 1960s, with the player controlling Big Boss (AKA Naked Snake).

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-02-28 06:08pm

I have it and have completed it.

Want any spoilers about playing in the good ol' USSR, Vyp?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-02-28 08:32pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I have it and have completed it.

Want any spoilers about playing in the good ol' USSR, Vyp?

If you enjoy the prospect of him flying over to personally garotte you for ruining the Russkie experience, go right ahead.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2005-02-28 09:09pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I've got it pre-ordered here (by "I've", I mean my brother) and I think it's out 4th March, at least in the UK. The US for some reason gets MGS before anyone else, not really sure why.

Because Japan is our oriental bitch. Much like China was the UKs.

Edit: Naked Snake? Who the fuck comes up with these codenames?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-02-28 09:13pm

Aya wrote: Because Japan is our oriental bitch. Much like China was the UKs.

Edit: Naked Snake? Who the fuck comes up with these codenames?

I can't recall where I heard Naked Snake, but I'm sure it's in one of the trailers even if I've forgotten and it seems bizarre. But that's Hideo for you.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2005-02-28 11:22pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I can't recall where I heard Naked Snake, but I'm sure it's in one of the trailers even if I've forgotten and it seems bizarre. But that's Hideo for you.

It makes some amount of sense after you play through the game.