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Crap. Time to start buying more AMDs.

Posted: 2005-05-28 01:46pm
by Praxis
http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915
Intel quietly adds DRM to new chips
Friday 27 May 2005 - 11:02

Microsoft and the entertainment industry's holy grail of controlling copyright through the motherboard has moved a step closer with Intel Corp. now embedding digital rights management within in its latest dual-core processor Pentium D and accompanying 945 chipset.

Officially launched worldwide on the May 26, the new offerings come DRM-enabled and will, at least in theory, allow copyright holders to prevent unauthorized copying and distribution of copyrighted materials from the motherboard rather than through the operating system as is currently the case.

While Intel steered clear of mentioning the new DRM technology at its Australian launch of the new products, Intel's Australian technical manager Graham Tucker publicly confirmed Microsoft-flavored DRM technology will be a feature of Pentium D and 945.

"[The] 945g [chipset] supports DRM, it helps implement Microsoft's DRM ... but it supports DRM looking forward," Tucker said, adding the DRM technology would not be able to be applied retrospectively to media or files that did not interoperate with the new technology.

However, Tucker ducked questions regarding technical details of how embedded DRM would work saying it was not in the interests of his company to spell out how the technology in the interests of security.

The situation presents an interesting dilemma for IT security managers as they may now be beholden to hardware-embedded security over which they have little say, information or control.

Conversely, Intel is heavily promoting what it calls "active management technology" (AMT) in the new chips as a major plus for system administrators and enterprise IT. Understood to be a sub-operating system residing in the chip's firmware, AMT will allow administrators to both monitor or control individual machines independent of an operating system.

Additionally, AMT also features what Intel calls "IDE redirection" which will allow administrators to remotely enable, disable or format or configure individual drives and reload operating systems and software from remote locations, again independent of operating systems. Both AMT and IDE control are enabled by a new network interface controller.

"We all know our [operating system] friends don't crash that often, but it does happen," Tucker said.

Intel's reticence to speak publicly about what lies under the hood of its latest firmware technology has also prompted calls to come clean from IT security experts, including Queensland University of Technology's assistant dean for strategy and innovation, IT faculty, Bill Caelli.

"It's a dual use technology. It's got uses and misuses. Intel has to answer what guarantees it is prepared to give that home users are safe from hackers. Not maybes, guarantees".

Caelli said it was "critical Intel comes clean" about how the current DRM technology is embedded into the new CPU and chipset offering.

Microsoft was unavailable for comment at press time.
It's not in the interests of the company to spell out how the DRM works or benefits security?

Thank you Intel. AMD has just gone from preference to necessity.

Posted: 2005-05-28 02:47pm
by Einhander Sn0m4n
Pentium D, 945 chipset, I'll make a note to avoid :)

Posted: 2005-05-28 02:58pm
by Hamel
Mostly Dell buyers will be getting these things.

A64 X2 all the way

Posted: 2005-05-28 03:14pm
by Einhander Sn0m4n
Dell? I know a White Hat Wizard Jedi who likes to build custom rigs. If this turns into a problem, he'll know what chips and mobos not to buy.

Posted: 2005-05-28 09:07pm
by DarkSilver
thanks for the heads up Praxis...

now indeed, AMD went from the processor I'll buy out of preference, to the only processor series I will get.

Fuck you Intel, and fuck MS and the DRM

Posted: 2005-05-28 09:21pm
by Uraniun235
Wow, there's a lot of nerd rage going on in this thread.

I can feel your hatred... [/Palpatine]
...adding the DRM technology would not be able to be applied retrospectively to media or files that did not interoperate with the new technology.
*sputter* You... you mean that if I buy my tunes from online... *snarl* and I want to break the copyright and distribute those... *gnash* it won't work?

FROM HELL'S HEART, I STAB AT THEE!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Relax, guys. This isn't going to be some magic bullet that will send alerts to the MPAA that you're running three BitTorrent transfers and two of them are NOT DIGITALLY SIGNED OMG!

This only applies with stuff that's already DRM-protected; i.e. the stuff you'd get from somewhere like iTunes.

Posted: 2005-05-28 09:33pm
by DarkSilver
File Transfer is the least of my concerns U235. I rarely do it, hell, I hadn't done any Peer to Peer stuff in the past year except for a few episodes of JLU (that's free and legal to download TV shows after they air now), the first new ep of Family Guy and iaMD Pt2.

Still, DRM tech ca, and most likely will be misused, I know a few times MS's DRM for Media player has actually screwed over media files on a computer, making them so that only Media Player can run them, not winamp, not Real Player, etc (forced me to reload my frigging porn files from a backup....pos Media Player 10....)

Posted: 2005-05-28 09:43pm
by Uraniun235
Yes, but you don't know that these hardware features will do that.

You know what early adopters are?

Suckers.

Don't be a sucker. If you're actually in a position where you might have considered purchasing a Pentium D on a 945g motherboard, wait around awhile and see what issues arise from these products before passing judgment on them. (This goes for any new technology, really.)

Posted: 2005-05-30 12:56am
by EmperorMing
I would like to see the results of a this firmware getting hacked...

Posted: 2005-05-30 07:19am
by Ace Pace
I don't see why anyone would want to buy Intel's new processors, their hot, expensive and slower then AMD's duel core CPU's.

The DRM is just icing on the cake.

Posted: 2005-05-30 09:01am
by Melchior
Ace Pace wrote:I don't see why anyone would want to buy Intel's new processors, their hot, expensive and slower then AMD's duel core CPU's.

The DRM is just icing on the cake.
"Brand recognition" by the average buyer?
In this moment, how high is Intel's market share in the desktop segment?

Posted: 2005-05-30 09:03am
by Ace Pace
Melchior wrote:
Ace Pace wrote:I don't see why anyone would want to buy Intel's new processors, their hot, expensive and slower then AMD's duel core CPU's.

The DRM is just icing on the cake.
"Brand recognition" by the average buyer?
In this moment, how high is Intel's market share in the desktop segment?
Desktop? something like 60-80% offhand, but IIRC, most of Intel's profits for the past year have come from the server market, which is still solidly Intel.

And your right, probebly brand recognition, its ancedotal, but most of Intel's Israel marketshare(aside from the fact the entire AMD market here is nearly grey) is the fact people go "AMD what?!"

Posted: 2005-05-30 10:38am
by Kamakazie Sith
DarkSilver wrote:File Transfer is the least of my concerns U235. I rarely do it, hell, I hadn't done any Peer to Peer stuff in the past year except for a few episodes of JLU (that's free and legal to download TV shows after they air now), the first new ep of Family Guy and iaMD Pt2.

Still, DRM tech ca, and most likely will be misused, I know a few times MS's DRM for Media player has actually screwed over media files on a computer, making them so that only Media Player can run them, not winamp, not Real Player, etc (forced me to reload my frigging porn files from a backup....pos Media Player 10....)
LOL. Winamp, Real player, and a bunch of other programs like to change the file associations. Just go into the options and change it back.

Posted: 2005-05-30 02:05pm
by Beowulf
AMD currently has the problem of them only having one fab. If they had another one (which they are building right now), they could reduce the price of their high-end processors, which would give them even more of an edge( they have to keep the prices high due to supply and demand)

Posted: 2005-05-31 07:35am
by General Brock
Hasn't Intel tried this before with the P III? I thought they were smacked down so hard they dropped it.

Posted: 2005-05-31 10:57am
by Durandal
General Brock wrote:Hasn't Intel tried this before with the P III? I thought they were smacked down so hard they dropped it.
That was some sort of "phone home" device or something.

Posted: 2005-05-31 01:00pm
by Uraniun235
The Pentium III had an ID tag on it.

Posted: 2005-06-01 01:53am
by Vertigo1
General Brock wrote:Hasn't Intel tried this before with the P III? I thought they were smacked down so hard they dropped it.
That was the device ID for the processor, and you could actually turn that off in your BIOS.

Posted: 2005-06-04 06:49am
by DaveJB
Looks like the report may not have been totally correct. From The Inquirer:
May 26: Computerworld Today Australia story incorrectly reported that the Intel Pentium D processor and Intel 945 Express Chipset includes unannounced embedded DRM technology.

The Intel Pentium D Processor and the Intel 945 Express Chipset family do not have unannounced embedded DRM technologies.

The DRM technology referred to in a recent report was not a secret or an embedded DRM from Intel. Intel does support various content protection technologies including DTCP-IP technology, which is publicly offered by a number of companies in the industry to enable protected transport of compressed content within a home network.

Many Intel products today support several existing copy protection or content protection technologies. These include support today for things like Macrovision and DTCP-IP, and in the second half of 2005, Intel will deliver an updated graphics driver that will also support additional content protection technologies including COPP, HDCP, CGMS-A, and others. DTCP-IP technology, which is publicly offered by a number of companies in the industry, enables protected transport of compressed content within a home network. While Intel continues to work with the industry to support other content protection technologies, we have not added any unannounced DRM technologies in either the Pentium D processor or the Intel 945 Express Chipset family.

Posted: 2005-06-04 01:33pm
by Pu-239
Ok, so it's "announced" DRM.