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Another interesting patent; Revolution related?

Posted: 2005-07-10 01:18am
by Praxis
Interesting Patent

It's a lot to read through. What do you guys think? Could this have anything to do with the Revolution?


He's a post from another board:
meesle110 wrote:in the description i found this.
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When the slave impacts a surface or other obstruction, or otherwise interacts with its environment, it is desirable that the operator sense this interaction. Thus, forces provided on the master end effector can help the operator guide and operate the slave more effectively. If the slave impacts a wall, a force corresponding to what the slave experiences can be output on the master end effector using motors or other actuators of the master device.

:) i lookie and i likie. ill finish reading and update this spot in a bit.

EDIT: .... i read halfway and got tired. this basically tells you about how haptic feedback is used and how the controller has ben improved with sensors all over and inside it to be an IMPROVED VERSION OF HAPTIC FEEDBACK.
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the revolutionary aspect of this controller could very well be being able to feel textures or when you bum into a wall and the like. sort of like an improved rumble feature.

editedit: if you read the last qquarter it also talks alot about the hardware used :) such as what its basically gnna use to get each rumble and the like at the right time.

note: this patent is dated 2000. so it might actually be about the rumble feature of the gamecube

editeditedit: also talks about a movable portion of the controller. :)

editediteditedit:
"receiving a haptic feedback signal from the processor, the haptic feedback signal being based on the control signal; "
signal. wireless feature check!


this is where i gt interested
12. A device, comprising:
a button depressible along a degree of freedom;
an actuator coupled to the button;
a sensor configured to detect a displacement of the button along the degree of freedom; and
a processor coupled to the actuator and configured to send a signal to the actuator based on the detected displacement, the actuator configured to generate the haptic feedback at least along the degree of freedom based on the signal.

13. The device of claim 12, wherein said actuator is a voice coil.
looks like it talking about a joystick and voice control
18. The device of claim 12, wherein the haptic feedback includes a spring force produced as a function of the displacement of the button.

19. The device of claim 12, wherein the haptic feedback includes a damping force produced as a function of a velocity of the button.
what is this damping and spring feature there talking about. this doesnt sound like a rumble featuer to me :)


editeditediteditedite: i searched the creators names on google and christopher hasser came up with nothing. eric veghone(something like that) HAS been associated with sony and nintendo.
and louis b rosenburgs a major technology devoloper for nintendo and such.
(his biggest accomplishment was the virtual fishing game (anyone rememebr the tug on the fishing line in that game?? B) )

in other words this patents either for the rumbe feature or its part of the revolution :D

Granted, this is just a random guy trying his best to understand it, not a hardware expert or good at understanding patents by any means.

With all the insights in the other thread about cube-mapping, I was wondering what you guys think of this?

Posted: 2005-07-10 05:00am
by Ace Pace
99% of the patent seems to be the standerd 'forcefeedback' stuff, except that Voice coil..which means what?

Posted: 2005-07-10 09:19am
by Dooey Jo
It sounds to me like a version of the L and R buttons on the GC controller, only with force feedback. Even today they are "depressible along a degree of freedom" (in and out of the controller) and senses how displaced they are along that degree of freedom.

Voice coils are the type of coils found in loudspeakers that moves a magnet using an induced magnetic field in the coil (they are found many other devices too, like disk drives). It hasn't necessarily anything to do with voice control, although it might be useful in force feedback technology (I imagine you'd need a pretty strong magnetic field though).

The spring force seems to mean that it will exert a force back on your finger depending on how hard you press the button (if your "slave" runs into a wall, the button will probably try to shoot out against your finger), and the dampening is of course is just that; dampening as a function of the speed you push the button with. Like those pneumatic things some people use for exercising.

And signal does not mean wireless signal. There are signals in cords too.


I think this only sounds marginally more revolutionary than the Cubemapping. Force feedback already exists. Not wireless though, to my knowledge, but that's going to be hell on the batteries if used frequently, I think...