Judge Recognizes That Parents Aren't Liable For Kids RIAA
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Judge Recognizes That Parents Aren't Liable For Kids RIAA
For years, we've been asking why so many parents just roll over when the RIAA comes calling about unauthorized file sharing activities of their kids.
It was never clear if there was any real liability, but many parents agreed to pay up because they either didn't understand the law (and the RIAA certainly didn't help), or just wanted to protect their kids.
This issue has finally been getting more attention lately, as a few parents have started fighting back against the RIAA, raising the question of liability for the actions of others.
This came out last week, so we're a bit late on it, but it's worth noting that in at least one such case, a judge has said that the liability cannot be placed on the parent, freaking out the RIAA, who withdrew the case, and then tried to have the judge open up another way to go after the kid -- and the judge refused. This is bad news for the RIAA, especially if more parents begin to realize that they can fight back.
However, the one downside to this ruling was denying the mother's request to have the RIAA pay her attorney's fees.
For that, the judge said that the RIAA had "taken reasonable steps to try to prosecute this case and litigate against the proper defendants."
That seems questionable. We've been pointing out for years that the RIAA and the MPAA seem to send out threatening letters without any effort to actually determine who was involved.
They simply determine who owns the connection and go after them, even though it's quite clear at this point, in an age of easy networking, that the owner of a connection is often not the person using it.
In fact, in home situations, the owner of a computer may not even be the person using it.
YAY! , if this gets well known and anckowledged, then the suing of small families and single moms or kids should take a nosedive!
It was never clear if there was any real liability, but many parents agreed to pay up because they either didn't understand the law (and the RIAA certainly didn't help), or just wanted to protect their kids.
This issue has finally been getting more attention lately, as a few parents have started fighting back against the RIAA, raising the question of liability for the actions of others.
This came out last week, so we're a bit late on it, but it's worth noting that in at least one such case, a judge has said that the liability cannot be placed on the parent, freaking out the RIAA, who withdrew the case, and then tried to have the judge open up another way to go after the kid -- and the judge refused. This is bad news for the RIAA, especially if more parents begin to realize that they can fight back.
However, the one downside to this ruling was denying the mother's request to have the RIAA pay her attorney's fees.
For that, the judge said that the RIAA had "taken reasonable steps to try to prosecute this case and litigate against the proper defendants."
That seems questionable. We've been pointing out for years that the RIAA and the MPAA seem to send out threatening letters without any effort to actually determine who was involved.
They simply determine who owns the connection and go after them, even though it's quite clear at this point, in an age of easy networking, that the owner of a connection is often not the person using it.
In fact, in home situations, the owner of a computer may not even be the person using it.
YAY! , if this gets well known and anckowledged, then the suing of small families and single moms or kids should take a nosedive!
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DEATH wrote:*coughs* You apparently can't remember which tags to use when linking either. . .otherwise this is good news though..http://techdirt.com/articles/20050921/0959248_F.shtml wrote:Yes I am a fool with no memory
Sorry, I clicked enter instead of back .
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Thats like saying the person who owns the gettaway car is responsible for the bank robbery even if the car was stolen.namdoolb wrote:Not to come down on the side of the RIAA, 'cause I hate them with a fiery vengeance, but.....
Surely it's the responsibility of the owner of the connection to control what the connection is used for.
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Yet what he creates tends to be total shit. Example: Ode to Spot.
Purely subjective. Believe it or not, there are people who like that poem.
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I agree with the general statement, but the example doesn't fly : the owner of the connection still has control over what it's used for (either through security measures or by controlling their kids) while the getaway car owner has no control whatsoever.Star-Blighter wrote:Thats like saying the person who owns the gettaway car is responsible for the bank robbery even if the car was stolen.namdoolb wrote:Not to come down on the side of the RIAA, 'cause I hate them with a fiery vengeance, but.....
Surely it's the responsibility of the owner of the connection to control what the connection is used for.
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So A parent needs to watch over everything his kid does on the internet?Bounty wrote:I agree with the general statement, but the example doesn't fly : the owner of the connection still has control over what it's used for (either through security measures or by controlling their kids) while the getaway car owner has no control whatsoever.Star-Blighter wrote:Thats like saying the person who owns the gettaway car is responsible for the bank robbery even if the car was stolen.namdoolb wrote:Not to come down on the side of the RIAA, 'cause I hate them with a fiery vengeance, but.....
Surely it's the responsibility of the owner of the connection to control what the connection is used for.
Anyparents who do that might easily miss a small program running in the back-ground or just use a net-nanny program.
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I wasn't reffering to you specifically, more to the "monitor communications" idea.Bounty wrote:Where did I say that ?So A parent needs to watch over everything his kid does on the internet?
Surely it's the responsibility of the owner of the connection to control what the connection is used for.
you wrote:I agree with the general statement
(either through security measures or by controlling their kids)
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Actually, it's more like punishing someone who didn't have a car alarm when their car was used for a getaway.
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