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Myself, the final authority on these things. wrote:One for the detractors! Inspired by the other thread. Pre-formatted with bolded categories and space beneath to write answers.

Which Japanese console-style RPG is the worst in the following categories:

Worst main character: Tidus. Don't laugh again, EVER.

Most annoying character: FFX Yuna (AKA, The Original Mary Sue). Don't speak again. Tied with Xenosaga1 Shion for same reasons.

Stupidest main character decisions: "I know! We'll hire this random ninja girl who likes Materia. What's the worst that can happen?"

Worst villain: FF8 Ultimecia. Worst villain ever, I'm sorry. 'Kurse all SeeDs?'

Most contrived plot: We all have... AMNESIA! (every 3d FF.. most notably 7 and 8.)

Most inane dialogue: FFX: "Try laughing. HA HA HA HA HA."

Least interesting setting: Xenosaga. Whee, it's GENERIC FUTURE LAND!

Worst combat system: Xenosaga. Whee, dozens of attacks that are IDENTICAL.

Ugliest artwork: Chronotrigger. I hate you, DBZ-hair. (The sprites were fine)

Worst music: Xenosaga 1 again. The tracks weren't /bad/, but they weren't good, and there was a grand total of like, eight songs for a 40 hour game.

Worst overall: FF7. The graphics hurt my eyes compared to sprites, the characters were shallow and had zero development (except for Cloud), the combat system was good but every character was identical thanks to materia, the end-villain was honestly overblown, and the game has it's incredible fan-base that refuse to question how good or bad the game was. Instead, they freak out over hollow Vincent. AAAUGGGHHH *angry cosplayer smash*

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:One for the detractors! Inspired by the other thread. Pre-formatted with bolded categories and space beneath to write answers.

Which Japanese console-style RPG is the worst in the following categories:

Worst main character: Squall. Such a whiny little bastard. (FF*)

Most annoying character: Yufi (FF7)

Stupidest main character decisions: Trusting Kaine (FF4/2)

Worst villain: TIE: Ultimecea (FF8)/FATE (ChronoCross)

Most contrived plot: ChronoCross

Most inane dialogue: Most of Squall's lines in FF8

Least interesting setting: ChronoCross

Worst combat system: CHRONO CROSS

Ugliest artwork: FF8

Worst music: FF8

Worst overall:Chrono Cross.

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:One for the detractors! Inspired by the other thread. Pre-formatted with bolded categories and space beneath to write answers.

Which Japanese console-style RPG is the worst in the following categories:

Worst main character: Squall, tall dark and $@%@% boring. Leader only because everyone else was to brain damaged from dealing with him for so long.

Most annoying character:Tidus he had potentional with his father but came off the most annoying kid brat in FF history only. Good thing Auron was there or I would have had him jumping off cliffs for fun.

Stupidest main character decisions:

Worst villain: FF8 Ultimecia, comes out of left field, suffers from evil overlord syndrome and frankly has no great evil plans.

Most contrived plot:FF8. We all have amnesia... and their is an evil person stealing girls bodies over and over agian and noo one's noticed till now.

Most inane dialogue: Squall


Least interesting setting: Hmm

Worst combat system: Tie ff8's drawl or the hyper annoying gird battle system were it takes twenty minutes just to get all your units in range and finaly ready to attack your enemys(Any game)

Ugliest artwork: ChronoCross. My eyes the bleed! I sooo freken want to play that game but it's to freken pixlated to take.

Worst music:

Worst overall: FF8. Lets DRAW! Agian and agian and having to spend entire rounds DRAWNing over and over agian because that spell is only found on X, Y and Z monsters and you missed X, your Fighting Y and Z is the end boss. And then combine it with the story that goes south after the first ten hours(Elite combat unit yay! Graduation Yay! Kidnap Yay! Fight the schools.. ok... angesty angest mcangest booo!. And don't get me started on the slowiest uglyist form of traval in any FF game(Flying school hooo!)

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:One for the detractors! Inspired by the other thread. Pre-formatted with bolded categories and space beneath to write answers.

Which Japanese console-style RPG is the worst in the following categories:

Worst main character: Tidus, FFX. Whiny little bitch.

Most annoying character: Ayla, Chrono Trigger. Not certain why, but she just annoyed me.

Stupidest main character decisions: DQVIII. "Let's leave our horse and cart sitting out in the open in the city where all the thieves live.

Worst villain: I actually don't have a nomination for this one, since the only villains I dislike are just because they're darn tough.

Most contrived plot: Star Ocean. Gee, it's The Matrix!

Most inane dialogue: FFX, about every other conversation.

Least interesting setting: Star Ocean. Gee, it's The Matrix

Worst combat system: Star Ocean. AKA "how stupid two AI characters can be"

Ugliest artwork: PS1 FF games. I'm sorry, but SNES should not look better than PS1.

Worst music: No nomination

Worst overall: Star Ocean.

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:Which Japanese console-style RPG is the worst in the following categories:

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:Which Japanese console-style RPG is the worst in the following categories:

Worst main character:
Rue from Dewprism/Threads of Fate. He's the very definition of a generic hero, and never grows much beyond the occasional bout of angst. Fortunately, Mint (the heroine) manages to save the game from utter banality.

Most annoying character:
Farleen from Star Ocean 3. Never have I more wanted to reach into the TV and strangle a character to shut her up. Liz and Ard from Wild ARMs: 2nd Ignition come very, very close for the same reason, but at least your party in-game recognized this and tried to lay the beatdown on subsequent encounters.

Stupidest main character decisions:
I'll second surrendering at Beville in FFX. The entire sequence, I was going "You've been killing these morons by the dozens up to this point -- why stop now?"

Worst villain:
Ultimecia from FF8. She just appeared from nowhere, plotwise, and just seems to be there for the sake of having a traditional "last boss."

Most contrived plot:
Star Ocean 3. It takes the plot of the first two games and renders it all worthless, as it turns out that none of it was "real" and was just part of a giant MMORPG. I'm not sure how much of it was intentional, though -- your party members in Private Actions all comment on how clichéd and contrived the whole thing seems.

Most inane dialogue:
Breath of Fire II. While the script could have potentially been made interesting, instead, we got Zero Wing-lite. Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals comes close due to the massive effort it makes to avoid saying anything that might be politicially incorrect (which seems to be really common for SNES-era games, but this one took it to new heights).

Least interesting setting:
Xenosaga: Dur Wille zur Macht. While the idea of a sci-fi RPG is in itself pretty interesting, in practice, that doesn't leave much in the way of environments. We get spaceships, more spaceships, and the occasional factory or space colony to spice things up here, all of which are filled with bland, repetitive corridors and sterile rooms. The UMN bits seemed more like an attempt to get other settings to explore than really feeling like a part of the story.

Worst combat system:
Lufia and the Fortress of Doom. A Dragon Quest clone that manages to be slow, plodding, and incredibly inefficient, with a massive number of utterly worthless spells, attacks that automatically miss (not retarget, like in other games) if the targeted enemy dies before the character's attack turn comes up, and text speed that rivals Xenogears for slowness.

Ugliest artwork:
Not sure I can really call this one.

Worst music:
Legend of Legaia. While there were some very nice tracks, the vast majority were uninspired filler. Xenosaga: Der Wille zur Macht also comes to mind -- while the tracks weren't bad, the music rarely if ever seemed appropriate for the on-screen action.

Worst overall:
Secret of the Stars, Tecmo's sole attempt at an RPG for the SNES. Characters with little to no development, cookiecutter plot, massive amounts of tedious level grinding to get anywhere... I don't think that it got even a single thing right.

Datana wrote:Most inane dialogue:
Breath of Fire II. While the script could have potentially been made interesting, instead, we got Zero Wing-lite. Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals comes close due to the massive effort it makes to avoid saying anything that might be politicially incorrect (which seems to be really common for SNES-era games, but this one took it to new heights).

Gaidin wrote:
Worst villain: Final Fantasy X - Sure, the truth of Jenova and Ultimecia sort of came out of nowhere. But damn...SIN?!?!?!?!

Most contrived plot: Final Fantasy VIII; Final Fantasy X - I might have had the most fun with Final Fantasy VIII, but yes it was a very contrived plot. Guardian Forces causing amnesia, plus the grand entry of Ultimecia was fucked up. Final Fantasy X gave me a wierd feeling when they dropped Tidus into a world he's never seen and were just like 'there...be the hero'. And while we're talking terms...SIN?!

Anarchist Bunny wrote:Worst villain:
Sephiroth. Ooo, look at me. I am some pretty boy that stabs this flower bitch in the back and suddenly I'm everyone's favorite villian. So what if Kefka accomplishes his plan for ultimate power, genocides a race, poisons civilians, and REARRANGES THE FACE OF THE PLANET WITH A FUCKING LASER, I'm much more evil.

Darth Raptor wrote:I think a lot of Sephiroth's badassedness comes from Cloud's flashback in Kalm. When he was a level 1 Shinra grunt and Sephy's level 50 self annihilated a green dragon in a single attack. And then when they scale Mt. Nibel he's blithely tossing around third tier elementals with Pvt. Strife's useless carcass in tow. At least that's what impressed me.

Oh, and Supernova. Can't forget about Supernova.

President Sharky wrote: I'm curious, what is it about Sin that makes him like Ultemecia? He's the villain from the first fucking minute of the story. That's the complete opposite of out of the blue. From the beginning we know he's the enemy, and the entire story revolves around that fact.

I find Sin to have been a villain akin to Lavos from CT. Instead of an actual person, an indomitable supermonster whose only purpose is to destroy.

Anarchist Bunny wrote:Stupidest main character decisions:
Can't think of any worse than using Celes as bait for the guy that can fly anywhere in the world when you can barely make it anywhere.

Worst villain:
Sephiroth. Ooo, look at me. I am some pretty boy that stabs this flower bitch in the back and suddenly I'm everyone's favorite villian. So what if Kefka accomplishes his plan for ultimate power, genocides a race, poisons civilians, and REARRANGES THE FACE OF THE PLANET WITH A FUCKING LASER, I'm much more evil.