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New microsoft iTunes killer - Urge

Posted: 2006-01-06 12:50am
by The Grim Squeaker
Gates unveils his 'Urge' wrote: In challenge to iTunes, Microsoft unveils music service and other entertainment plans.
Bill Gates aims to take over your living room and late Wednesday he unveiled a new music service and new software to do it.

Using an appearance with Justin Timberlake, the Microsoft chairman debuted a new music service, Urge, to directly compete with the iTunes music store and interface. Urge launches with over 2 million tracks for purchase or as part of an all-you-can eat subscription, an option the iTunes music store doesn't have. The offering will include exclusive material from MTV, though it will not be compatible with iPods, which are currently the most popular MP3 player.


Music is just one part of Gates' vision for the impact he hopes Microsoft (Research)'s software will have on entertainment. Speaking at the annual Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Gates outlined his vision for a future where entertainment integrates with practical applications like messaging, word processing and Web browsing, with software that can work across various devices.

"We've talked about this as decade of digital lifestyle, work style," he said. "What that means is all these tools become mainstream. Software will come in and make things both simpler and more effective. Not having to think about disks, entertainment, having a digital jukebox anywhere in the house so you can call up the movies you want and see anything you want to."

Gates' vision extends to TV as well. Gates announced a partnership with Direct TV and its British Counterpart, BSkyB. The Direct TV partnership will allow consumers to get Direct TV video onto a Windows Media Center PC as well as on its gaming console, the Xbox 360.

"These (partnerships) will allow you to enjoy high definition content and take that away on a portable media device" for what Gates called both the "two-foot experience and the 10-foot experience."

At the core of these enhanced media applications is Microsoft's partnership with Intel around Viiv, Intel's new chip designed for entertainment PCs that allows consumers to run various entertainment applications as well as record, pause and rewind and fast-forward through video.

Michael Gartenberg, vice president and research director of market research firm Jupiter Research, said Gates spelled out more clearly than he ever has his vision for how Microsoft's software can integrate entertainment applications.

"They did a good job of taking a complex message, simplifying it, and putting some clarity around their vision for the digital home," he said.
What will Apple do?

Gartenberg added that he is interested to see whether "the other shoe will drop" at next week's MacWorld Expo, where Apple is expected to unveil its first Macs with Intel chips as well as enhanced media software and more content deals for its video iPod. This could mark competition for Microsoft in the digital home turf war.

A centerpiece of Gates' digital living room will be Vista, Microsoft's first upgrade to its Windows operating system in five years, which will include enhancements to Microsoft's Windows Media Center software to enable all the souped-up new applications. And users can use Vista to by-pass the TV and plug directly into high-definition cable feeds.

Also unveiled in Vista: a new interface with features including live preview in the task bar, which will allow users to see all applications as they are running, as well as a "3D" bar that lets users flip through applications.

The company also discussed HD-DVD, which allows for greater interaction for consumers watching DVDs. For example, users can search and find information on actors in a film while the movie is still playing.

Microsoft indicated that later this year, it will start selling external HD-DVD drives, which will enable users to watch high definition DVDs via their Xbox machines and also allow greater interactivity. At the outset, the new drive will be only for movies and does not include games.

Xbox executive Peter Moore reiterated that the company hopes to achieve sales of 4.5 to 5.5 million Xboxes by June 2006 and said they are "on track" to achieve those targets.

Whether Gates' vision will goose the long-stagnant stock price of Microsoft (Research) remains to be seen. Shares have been trading in a range from around $25 to $30 a share for going on three years and closed Wednesday at $26.97 in advance of Gates' speech, which took place hours after the market close in New York.
Interesting, this was not unexpected and possibly good for the whole digital music business as a whole since Apple may be forced to allow competitors the use of it's store in order to prevent the non apple market from being wooed by Microsoft, still Apple has some leeway due to it's massive market share and the name recognition of iTunes.
I have to say though, that If I was Jobs, I'd be feeling worried, and I would hope that Microsoft would focuse on different niches o fthe market (Living room- focused on the xbox 360...). although this would be unlikely considering Microsofts kill and rule history.

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Posted: 2006-01-06 02:16am
by Durandal
Does it work with the iPod? No? Then it's threat is minimal.

Posted: 2006-01-06 05:46am
by weemadando
Thing is, iPods might have the most sales of any mp3 player - but overall there are a helluva lot more OTHER players than the iPod on the streets.

Posted: 2006-01-06 06:17am
by Stark
Howver the non-iPods usually just work like usb drives, so no fancy smanchy app required. This seems more important as a vector for sales and streaming, which Apple already has a foothold in.

Posted: 2006-01-06 11:00am
by Praxis
Doesn't seem that threatening. The only important part is that MTV is behind it, and for some stupid reason people actually seem to watch that pathetic excuse for a TV channel.

Posted: 2006-01-06 11:29am
by Pick
Hey, sounds sweet to me. I don't use iPods (especially after the horror stories of the kids from school, four of whom I know personally who had their iPods suffer a hard drive failure just about right after the one-year warrantee) so it might end up being useful.

Posted: 2006-01-06 01:45pm
by Master of Ossus
Durandal wrote:Does it work with the iPod? No? Then it's threat is minimal.
iPods don't accept MP3's from non-iTunes sources? Why isn't that an anti-trust violation?

Posted: 2006-01-06 02:10pm
by The Grim Squeaker
Master of Ossus wrote: iPods don't accept MP3's from non-iTunes sources? Why isn't that an anti-trust violation?
It accepts normal mp3s, but it only supports Digital Rights management used in iTunes, so that you can only use digitally bought music from iunes with it and not music bought on napster or Yahoo or subscription based stores (Although other players don't support iTunes either. although that is apples intent)

Posted: 2006-01-06 02:16pm
by Ubiquitous
So let me get this straight ... I download a song off, say, Kazza and transfer it to my new Ipod - will it work?

Posted: 2006-01-06 02:17pm
by phongn
Stark wrote:Howver the non-iPods usually just work like usb drives, so no fancy smanchy app required. This seems more important as a vector for sales and streaming, which Apple already has a foothold in.
A lot of non tech-savvy people like iTunes, though. It synchronizes, manages and does various other tasks pretty cleanly. It is very much designed for the lowest common denominator - the rest of us can use Anapod for drag-and-drop management via Explorer.
weemadando wrote:Thing is, iPods might have the most sales of any mp3 player - but overall there are a helluva lot more OTHER players than the iPod on the streets.
Yes, but the iPod has such a commanding marketshare that the others are eternally playing catch-up. It also has brand recognition, which most others do not.

Posted: 2006-01-06 02:19pm
by Zac Naloen
ALI_G wrote:So let me get this straight ... I download a song off, say, Kazza and transfer it to my new Ipod - will it work?
If its just a normal mp3 with no digital protection. yes.

overwise it'll either not go on or will be severely mangled on playback.

Posted: 2006-01-06 02:47pm
by Master of Ossus
weemadando wrote:Thing is, iPods might have the most sales of any mp3 player - but overall there are a helluva lot more OTHER players than the iPod on the streets.
Not true. Apple controls about a 75% market share, taking into account the iPods and the spin-off iPods.

Posted: 2006-01-06 07:39pm
by Praxis
Master of Ossus wrote:
Durandal wrote:Does it work with the iPod? No? Then it's threat is minimal.
iPods don't accept MP3's from non-iTunes sources? Why isn't that an anti-trust violation?
Microsoft's music store, I assume, is DRM-protected WMA. The iPod doesn't work with WMA. MP3, no problem.
So let me get this straight ... I download a song off, say, Kazza and transfer it to my new Ipod - will it work?
Yes, assuming it's a regular MP3 or AIFF or other supported format and not a copy-protected file or WMA, but you should feel very bad for doing such a thing, you pirate. :P

Posted: 2006-01-06 09:12pm
by Durandal
Master of Ossus wrote:
Durandal wrote:Does it work with the iPod? No? Then it's threat is minimal.
iPods don't accept MP3's from non-iTunes sources? Why isn't that an anti-trust violation?
I would be seriously surprised if this service provided completely unprotected MP3's. More likely they'll be DRM-crippled WMA's which don't work with iPods.

Posted: 2006-01-07 06:15am
by Eleas
Durandal wrote: I would be seriously surprised if this service provided completely unprotected MP3's. More likely they'll be DRM-crippled WMA's which don't work with iPods.
Honestly, is there anyone who prefers WMA to MP3? And if so, why the hell is that?

Posted: 2006-01-07 10:50am
by Dooey Jo
Eleas wrote:Honestly, is there anyone who prefers WMA to MP3? And if so, why the hell is that?
Well, AFAIK the WMA format is free, whereas there is a royalty-ish fee for using MP3s commercially, so maybe some developers would prefer it.

However, a developer that prefers WMA to OGG is obviously not thinking quite right :wink:

Posted: 2006-01-07 11:31am
by The Grim Squeaker
Dooey Jo wrote:
Eleas wrote:Honestly, is there anyone who prefers WMA to MP3? And if so, why the hell is that?
Well, AFAIK the WMA format is free, whereas there is a royalty-ish fee for using MP3s commercially, so maybe some developers would prefer it.
However, a developer that prefers WMA to OGG is obviously not thinking quite right :wink:
It's also supposed to have better sound quality and size compared to "base" (Non LAME, etc..) MP# files, although then again mp4 (Apples AAC= Advanced Audio Codec) files also have better sound quality and size, as does even Sony Atrac plus (That also gives incredible battery life due to it's low cpu demands).
Isn't OGG hard to support in a digital player? I only know of Iriver and another company (Who's name escapes me) that support it, is it merely part of a grnad conspiracy :roll: , or is it hard to support every possible variation of a possibly mutable (If it is truely open source) codec?

Posted: 2006-01-07 11:41am
by Glocksman
Eleas wrote:
Durandal wrote: I would be seriously surprised if this service provided completely unprotected MP3's. More likely they'll be DRM-crippled WMA's which don't work with iPods.
Honestly, is there anyone who prefers WMA to MP3? And if so, why the hell is that?
Space was the reason I did.
A song that takes up 3727K as a 128kbps MP3 only takes up 1889K as a 64kbps WMA file.
On my old 128MB Nomad IIc, that's a lot of room

Posted: 2006-01-07 04:07pm
by phongn
For awhile there wasn't an integer-only implementation of OGG, which meant that most devices couldn't play it. It is apparently a fairly complex codec, further resulting in problems.

Posted: 2006-01-08 06:15am
by Xon
Dooey Jo wrote:Well, AFAIK the WMA format is free, whereas there is a royalty-ish fee for using MP3s commercially, so maybe some developers would prefer it.
I know the costs for wmv are actually lower than mpeg2

Posted: 2006-01-08 12:28pm
by Durandal
The problem was that, up until WMV became an official standard, Microsoft could dictate whatever licensing terms to whoever they wanted. Now they have to give everyone the same price; before they did not.

Posted: 2006-01-09 12:56am
by Praxis
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Made me laugh :lol: