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Critics on HD DVD Debut: "Blah"
Posted: 2006-04-21 06:20am
by Spanky The Dolphin
The IMDb wrote:Critics Unimpressed with HD DVD
Consumer electronics writers have begun to weigh in on the new HD DVD players distributed by Toshiba this week, and most are unimpressed. Several cite an intolerably long boot-up period, a confusing menu system, and incompatible sound. But nearly all express disappointment in the picture. On smaller sets, the writers agree, the difference between HD DVD and a conventional DVD is virtually undetectable. "Bottom line is that HD DVD is great, but will you notice?" asks Ben Drawbaugh on HDBeat.com. Writing in the Los Angeles Times David Colker remarked that on larger screens he could detect a subtle difference. He added: "I tested my perceptions by switching between the two formats. I asked a colleague to close his eyes while I chose a version, then had him open them and guess: DVD or HD DVD? He got it right only about 75% of the time. So, yes, it's better. But don't expect the dramatic leap in quality that came with the transition from VHS to DVDs in the 1990s."
http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2006-04-20/#film2
Posted: 2006-04-21 06:38am
by Xon
I'm hoping both formats will be Dead on Arrivel
Posted: 2006-04-21 07:09am
by Spanky The Dolphin
I'm still hoping for Blu-Ray to win out, personally.
Posted: 2006-04-21 08:04am
by Admiral Valdemar
I'm trying to give a shit, but right now, I'm focused on advising my father on what HD TV to get at the end of the year and how to apply for Sky HD when it starts full operation. I honestly couldn't care less about HD-DVD or Blu-ray, but given I'll be getting a PS3, we'll at least get the latter if anything.
I'm certainly not going to replace my DVD collection for far higher priced, not-so-astounding HD versions when you can already boost the res. of SD-DVDs on newer tellies.
Posted: 2006-04-21 10:52am
by Arthur_Tuxedo
The industry is just not being realistic, here. It took years for DVD to become mainstream, about 6 years in fact. They're hoping people will give the new formats 6 years worth of acceptance in 6 months, which is ridiculous even ignoring all the DRM, incompatibilities, and other bad decisions.
Posted: 2006-04-21 11:18am
by Loner
I like the analysis from the guy who runs
The Digital Bits.
All in all, I continue to be very impressed with the video and audio quality of these first three HD-DVD releases. I will say, however, that I'm not absolutely blown away by it. The discs look and sound truly fantastic, no doubt, and the video/audiophiles among you are going to drool when you experience it... but I expected all that. And it's not so much better than existing DVD that you find yourself somehow enjoying the movies that much more. It's not anywhere close to the difference upgrading to standard DVD made over VHS and laserdisc, for example. And I wonder how much your average consumer is going to care.
By way of example, I was watching The Last Samurai on Tuesday night, when my wife Sarah came home from work. Sarah, as some of you know, is the business end of The Bits - she handles all of the contests, promotions and advertising. While she's not as into the technology as the rest of us are here around here, she's pretty savvy when it comes to this stuff. Anyway, she walked into the home theater and sat down to soak in the picture and sound for a bit. Then, after a few minutes of watching, she turned to me and said, "So this is HD-DVD?"
"Yeah."
"It looks good and all, but I don't know... I guess I don't see what the big deal is."
"Well... it looks more like film. More like it should."
"Yeah, but doesn't regular DVD look like film too?"
"Sure, but not as much as this does."
"Well... I don't know. I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. I could live without it."
Then she walked out and went about her business. I thought about what she said for a good long while, as I continued to watch the movie... and I finally had to come to the conclusion that she's absolutely right.
Nothing like a nice reality check from your wife to put things in perspective. Knew I married her for a reason.
Now... before you get all outraged (I can almost hear some of you scoffing: "Yeah, he must not be watching it on good equipment..." and believe me, I've already had several readers ask what kind of equipment I have since I started talking about my experience with HD-DVD), know that my home theater consists of the following: a Panasonic PT-L500U LCD front video projector driven via an HDMI/DVI adapted connection from the Toshiba HD-A1 (or my usual Pioneer Elite DV-59AVi DVD player) and displayed on a 110-inch High-Contrast Cinema Perf Da-Lite projection screen. My audio system begins with a Denon AVR-5800 receiver, and ends with a Monitor Audio Silver Series 7-speaker configuration capped by an SVS PB12-Ultra/2 subwoofer that's bigger than the engine in my frickin' car (and a special thanks out to all the fine folks at Projector Point, Da-Lite, SVS Subs and Better Cables for all their help and assistance over the years - I heartily recommend each of them to all our readers here at The Bits). All of this equipment is properly connected, fully functional and tweaked and calibrated to within an inch of its life. As a rule, I'm not one of those guys who spouts their home theater specs like it's some kind of job resume, but just know that my system is well above average and that I'm getting superb quality out of it. Are there better, more expensive systems out there? Sure... but I guarantee there aren't that many people who could really appreciate the difference.
All of this goes to my point, which is this: HD-DVD looks and sounds fantastic... just as we all expected it would. I have little doubt that Blu-ray Disc will look and sound just as good too - not better than HD-DVD mind you, but every bit as good. But how good does the video and audio quality REALLY have to get for most people to enjoy a film in their living rooms? Standard DVD looks and sounds great just as it is - it was a MASSIVE improvement over VHS and laserdisc. And the better your equipment is (and keep in mind that most people still haven't upgraded to widescreen HDTVs, upconverting DVD players and true multi-channel surround sound), the average experience of DVD is going to keep improving. There's tremendous value to be found in existing DVD, just as it is, and that will continue to be the case for years to come. So how many people are REALLY going to care enough to upgrade to a new high-definition videodisc format? How about TWO high-definition videodisc formats? Not that many, I'll bet.
Maybe, eventually, if and when there's only ONE format so people can feel comfortable spending their money on it... they'll start to upgrade to either HD-DVD or Blu-ray Disc in moderate numbers. But for now, HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc will likely remain the domain of only the most enthusiastic early adopters. And the longer the format war drags on, the greater the chance that even those consumers who MIGHT be interested will just pass on both of them, in favor of HD offerings from their cable or satellite provider, downloading... or just plain old standard DVD (like most audio consumers passed on much higher quality DVD-Audio and SACD, in favor of far lower quality iTunes or MP3 downloads, satellite radio and current CDs). DVD became the success it is not just because it had better quality going for it over VHS and laserdisc, but because it had significantly better value and convenience going for it too. HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc offer the same basic value and convenience as regular DVD, so the only real improvement is the video and audio quality. And better quality isn't always enough to separate people from their cash.
I'm certainly not trying to be a pessimist, just realistic. As cool as they are, I'm afraid I don't see HD-DVD or Blu-ray Disc becoming even half as successful as current DVD... and that's BEST case, if one of them quickly stands out as the clear and obvious choice to consumers (something I fear that isn't going to happen anytime soon). Time will tell.
Posted: 2006-04-21 07:08pm
by DPDarkPrimus
I'm jealous of that guy's setup.
Posted: 2006-04-21 08:31pm
by Darth Wong
Right now the biggest advantage of HD-DVD is the ability to take wallpaper-quality screenshots. Blowing up a DVD screenshot to desktop size is not very satisfying because it just looks blurry. And of course, we don't even know if HD-DVD players on computer will even allow screenshots.
Posted: 2006-04-22 08:19am
by frogcurry
Would you even be able to play it on a PC that easily? With all the DRM issues and the desire to control what you do with it, I'd be mildly surprised if HD DVDs are made fully viewable on PC, never mind being able to take static images off them.
Blu-ray will win, if only because lots of people will buy the PS3 and find themselves with a blu-ray player in the process. There's no equivalent to drive mass adoption of the toshiba equivalent, particularly in light of the lack lustre sound of this article.
Posted: 2006-04-22 10:55am
by Spanky The Dolphin
Most experts seem to have declared Blu-Ray the winner even without the involvement of the PS3.
Posted: 2006-04-22 11:05am
by Vertigo1
IF HD-DVD drives come out for the PC, they'll be crippled to only be able to burn to maybe a disk 1/3 the size....or something moronic along the lines of that. Look how long it took for dual-layer burners to finally get released.
Posted: 2006-04-22 11:48am
by Lost Soal
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Most experts seem to have declared Blu-Ray the winner even without the involvement of the PS3.
The greater storage capacity of Blu-Ray is probably what will clinch it, as long as its not hugely more expensive.
Posted: 2006-04-22 12:05pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
If I recall, the cost for Blu-Ray is essentially the same as for HD DVD.
Posted: 2006-04-22 03:15pm
by Netko
Vertigo1 wrote:IF HD-DVD drives come out for the PC, they'll be crippled to only be able to burn to maybe a disk 1/3 the size....or something moronic along the lines of that. Look how long it took for dual-layer burners to finally get released.
Not really. There are actual physical and chemical reasons why making home burnable discs is harder then the ones that are commercialy made. And single layer discs are currently used for HD DVD I think so when burnable versions are going to be available they are likely going to have same capacity. Altough, there are already plans for more layers and it is almost guaranteed that layers on the burnable discs will lag commercial ones.
Still, you can forget about legaly being able to back up HD DVDs even if (or when) the protection scheme is cracked. So no burning a copy in Nero. But in the end, the same can be said for DVDs now, and there are quite a few tools around that make a process pretty simple at this point.
Actualy, I may be wrong on that one. I recall there was supposed to be some sort of system that allowes you to make copies, but I think that it may have issues none of us would like, such as potentialy charging for making copies and certanly allowing you some rather restrictive number of them.