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I'm not sure where to put this, exactly. So sorry in advance if this is the wrong forum.

Sony and Nintendo both revealed their slogans for E3, and possibly for their upcoming "console ware" campaigns. Which do you prefer?

I actually like both, but I'll give the nod to Nintendo's "Playing is Believing" because it accurately describes the message they're trying to get across with the design of their system. They didn't even need to explain, the point's obvious. While Sony's slogan "Play Beyond" has a nice ring to it, at this point it's just a general statement.

Nintendo's, simply because Sony's feels like an abstract statement/philosophy while Nintendo's actually describes what they're trying to prove.

Neither, both quickly left my mind and made no impact.

"Play Beyond" just doesn't make much sense. "Play Beyond" what? "Play Beyond six hours of hour games and you'll get a headache"?

"Playing is Believing" is to-the-point and actually makes sense as a sentence. It's got my vote.

Both are cliche.

Both suck.

They both suck, but Nintendo's sucks more if only because of these two posts:

Praxis wrote:Nintendo's, simply because Sony's feels like an abstract statement/philosophy while Nintendo's actually describes what they're trying to prove.

So believing isn't an abstract concept, but a real one? One they're trying to 'prove' (your words, not mine)?

Molyneux wrote:"Playing is Believing" is to-the-point and actually makes sense as a sentence.

No it doesn't. 'Playing is believing'... in what? What do you believe in?

As a sentence, it has three words, all of which are verbs, ('is' is the singular present form of 'be', which itself is a verb... 'to be, or not to be'; it is or it isn't, etc), none of which are nouns or adjectives. So not only don't we know what is being believed in, but we don't know who is doing the believing or why they're doing it.

And yes, I do know what it is trying to communicate. But it remains a crappy slogan, not a sentence. Don't try to make it into a thing it's not.

Just be honest, for fucks sake, and say you like Nintendo more than you'll ever like Sony. Don't try this "Oh, but it speaks to me and is more profound" shit.

They both suck, but Sony sucks a bit more (Simply because it reminds me that I won't be able to afford a PS3, as it's price is "beyond" my reach).

They both need better slogans in the same sense that Bush needs an impeachment. It might not happen, but would be a plus for nearly everyone if it did.

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Molyneux wrote:"Playing is Believing" is to-the-point and actually makes sense as a sentence.

No it doesn't. 'Playing is believing'... in what? What do you believe in?

As a sentence, it has three words, all of which are verbs, ('is' is the singular present form of 'be', which itself is a verb... 'to be, or not to be'; it is or it isn't, etc), none of which are nouns or adjectives. So not only don't we know what is being believed in, but we don't know who is doing the believing or why they're doing it.

And yes, I do know what it is trying to communicate. But it remains a crappy slogan, not a sentence. Don't try to make it into a thing it's not.
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Actually, "Playing is Believing" is a sentence. "Playing" and "believing" are gerunds, which act as nouns, not verbs. So, with our to-be verb, we have a declarative statement saying "A is B". We don't need to know who is playing or who is believing, because it is saying that the ACT of one is the same as the ACT of the other.

As to the original question, they both suck. Also, have the previous slogans just been that forgetable, or is this the first time since the 16-bit era when the companies made them for their consoles?

I like them both about the same. Which is to say, not at all, since they both suck.

Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:Actually, "Playing is Believing" is a sentence. "Playing" and "believing" are gerunds, which act as nouns, not verbs. So, with our to-be verb, we have a declarative statement saying "A is B". We don't need to know who is playing or who is believing, because it is saying that the ACT of one is the same as the ACT of the other.

Yes. Thanks for sharing. While I've been demolished, I still insist that as a slogan it sucks.

"Playing is Believing." "Play Beyond" really has no context, while Nintendo's slogan illustrates their position for the Wii.

Both really suck, couldn't they do any better?

Wait wait wait. "Play beyond"? I thought Sony said that the PS3 wasn't a gaming console. It should be "Beyond play" in that case... "Playing is believing" makes sense, though it's still horribly cliché, I think.

One of them should have used "Let's play money making game". I would have voted for that...

I think Nintendo should have gone for "Wii love Games!"

Playing is Believing.

Killzone 2 trailers are horse-shit.

"A Winner Are You" would've been infinitely better, with Ninty's being "Shine Get!".

"Playing is Believing" actually has a discernible message, which is that you will become a believer once you actually try this thing. And not coincidentally, that is the same thing I'm hearing from people who have actually tried it. Therefore, it is a vastly superior slogan.

"Play Beyond" has no discernible meaning at all. It's like a perfume commercial, where you have to look at the context to figure out what it's trying to say.

Of course, the best slogan is "much cheaper than the other guy's overhyped overpriced white elephant", but only Nintendo can use that one.

They should go back to "Now you're playing with power."