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I have to admit, I'm not sure if I want to get this next version. Maybe it was just the lackluster demo? All I'm sure about is that the crazy tau anime robot guys don't fit into my image of the 40k universe. Is there a second demo that shows off the old races with their new units?

There was a short gameplay clip of each of the old races' new units. Plus articles.

If you don't like Tau, play Necrons. If you don't like Necrons, then just stick to your f**kin space elves, you cruel, unholy man.

I need more brightlances to shoot these crazy anime space robots!
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Mon'keigh

Mon'keigh today............. Necron when DC is out.

Personalised commanders will obviously be fairly beefy.

This is, I suppose, how persistent armies will work in Dark Crusade. (On that note, I wonder whether enemy resistance will scale up depending on the size of your accompanying army?)

InnocentBystander wrote:I have to admit, I'm not sure if I want to get this next version. Maybe it was just the lackluster demo? All I'm sure about is that the crazy tau anime robot guys don't fit into my image of the 40k universe.

I never understood this complaint.

Is there a second demo that shows off the old races with their new units?

No demos, just these.

Grey Knights
Flash Gitz
Daemon Prince
Heavy Weapons Teams
Harlequins

A second demo would more likely feature the Necrons, anyway.

SAMAS wrote:

InnocentBystander wrote:I have to admit, I'm not sure if I want to get this next version. Maybe it was just the lackluster demo? All I'm sure about is that the crazy tau anime robot guys don't fit into my image of the 40k universe.

I never understood this complaint.

I think your CT might have something to do with that. Just sayin'.

I'm glad they put my two least favorite races in this one. Since I got pissed off with the way they fucked the game over in WA, I now have no real reason to pick this up, especially with CoH having just come out. Maybe if they make DoW2...but even then, I don't know.

SAMAS wrote:

InnocentBystander wrote:I have to admit, I'm not sure if I want to get this next version. Maybe it was just the lackluster demo? All I'm sure about is that the crazy tau anime robot guys don't fit into my image of the 40k universe.

I never understood this complaint.

It doesn't feel right in the setting. 40k is dark and grim, crazy anime space robots have their own niche in my mind, one which precludes them from existing in the dark and grim future where there is only war.
Also, the rocket clusters the Tau have look really stupid.

SAMAS wrote:

InnocentBystander wrote:Is there a second demo that shows off the old races with their new units?

No demos, just these.

Grey Knights
Flash Gitz
Daemon Prince
Heavy Weapons Teams
Harlequins

A second demo would more likely feature the Necrons, anyway.

The Harlequins are sorta cool.
I guess I don't have anything against the new flash Gitz, they seem orky enough I guess.
Daemon Prince fits, but couldn't they have added something other than another melee unit to chaos, geeze.
Grey Knights don't strike me as anything special, though I guess they're a decent melee squad for space marines before terminators come.
Heavy weapons teams are just dumb, they're like the red alert 2 allied infatry which could build themselves little sandbag trenches and deploy machineguns. Whats wrong with brightlance style weapon platforms? That irks me.


Between my distaste for Tau and the new standard that Company of Heroes has set, I'm just not feeling it from this next edition of Dawn of War.

InnocentBystander wrote:

SAMAS wrote:

InnocentBystander wrote:I have to admit, I'm not sure if I want to get this next version. Maybe it was just the lackluster demo? All I'm sure about is that the crazy tau anime robot guys don't fit into my image of the 40k universe.

I never understood this complaint.

It doesn't feel right in the setting. 40k is dark and grim, crazy anime space robots have their own niche in my mind, one which precludes them from existing in the dark and grim future where there is only war.
Also, the rocket clusters the Tau have look really stupid.

I will never understand how the Tau are 'Anime' for having hardsuits and rifles, but ZOMG superhumans in powered armour with SWORDS and MIND POWERS aren't anime. Not if I live to be ten thousand.

TIDES OF PLASMA MWAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!

InnocentBystander wrote:I Heavy weapons teams are just dumb, they're like the red alert 2 allied infatry which could build themselves little sandbag trenches and deploy machineguns. Whats wrong with brightlance style weapon platforms? That irks me.

Because that's what the Guard use in the minis game? I suppose they could have given them Tarantula platforms, but those HW teams are cool; I like the reloading autocannon, and the spew of cases from the heavy bolter.

InnocentBystander wrote:Heavy weapons teams are just dumb, they're like the red alert 2 allied infatry which could build themselves little sandbag trenches and deploy machineguns. Whats wrong with brightlance style weapon platforms? That irks me.

I personally think the whole sandbags and trenches thing fits in well with the Imperial Guard.

HWTs are basically like movable turrets. When they deploy they get building armor, cannot be disrupted, and cannot be meleed (meaning you can melee them, but that doesn't force them into melee).

InnocentBystander wrote:

SAMAS wrote:

InnocentBystander wrote:I have to admit, I'm not sure if I want to get this next version. Maybe it was just the lackluster demo? All I'm sure about is that the crazy tau anime robot guys don't fit into my image of the 40k universe.

I never understood this complaint.

It doesn't feel right in the setting. 40k is dark and grim, crazy anime space robots have their own niche in my mind, one which precludes them from existing in the dark and grim future where there is only war.

They're not any more Crazy anime space robots than the Mobile Infantry from Starship Troopers(and they don't even have nukes!).

Besides, if the Imperium can have huge 100-foot tall mecha, and the Eldar have the beautiful mystic women with swords, and Chaos has hermaphroditic demon-girls, what's wrong with 8-foot-tall powersuits?

Also, the rocket clusters the Tau have look really stupid.

No they don't.

InnocentBystander wrote: The Harlequins are sorta cool.
I guess I don't have anything against the new flash Gitz, they seem orky enough I guess.

They carry big gunz, are fetsooned with bullets, and big enough to keep udder boyz from takin' dere gunz. How much more orky could they be?

Daemon Prince fits, but couldn't they have added something other than another melee unit to chaos, geeze.

Like what?

Lemme rephrase that: What could they add that isn't close combat, and isn't already in use by the Space Marines?

Besides, you wanna watch the DP and the Bloodthirster tear they way through suckers side-by-side, admit it.

Grey Knights don't strike me as anything special, though I guess they're a decent melee squad for space marines before terminators come.

They're fast, have nasty psychic powers(in-game, too), and have this nasty quick-move attack that makes it hard to get away from them.

Heavy weapons teams are just dumb, they're like the red alert 2 allied infatry which could build themselves little sandbag trenches and deploy machineguns. Whats wrong with brightlance style weapon platforms? That irks me.

The fact that the Imperial Guard don't have Brightlance-style platforms.

SAMAS wrote: They're not any more Crazy anime space robots than the Mobile Infantry from Starship Troopers(and they don't even have nukes!).

They I have never, ever, envisioned the MI to have suits the resemble the Tau Crisis suits. I always viewed them to look like Space Marineesque armour.

Lonestar wrote:

SAMAS wrote: They're not any more Crazy anime space robots than the Mobile Infantry from Starship Troopers(and they don't even have nukes!).

They I have never, ever, envisioned the MI to have suits the resemble the Tau Crisis suits. I always viewed them to look like Space Marineesque armour.

Assuming novel, they're far closer to Crisis than Astartes. The MI armour has jumpjets, multiple ranged weapons, and no meaningful melee. This is far more in line with Tau than Marines.

SirNitram wrote: Assuming novel, they're far closer to Crisis than Astartes. The MI armour has jumpjets, multiple ranged weapons, and no meaningful melee. This is far more in line with Tau than Marines.

The cover of my Starship Troopers copy always had a more Marineesque look.



nyah.

Lonestar wrote:

SirNitram wrote: Assuming novel, they're far closer to Crisis than Astartes. The MI armour has jumpjets, multiple ranged weapons, and no meaningful melee. This is far more in line with Tau than Marines.

The cover of my Starship Troopers copy always had a more Marineesque look.

nyah.

My original publishing is different, but 1) I lack a scanner, 2) It'd probably disintigrate if I tried.

Something which I hadn't really noticed till now, is that Tau Crisis Suits actually remind me a lot about the designs they used in the Starship Troopers anime. Just as an aside.

Personally, I'm waiting for a Necron demo. When I get that, I'll be happy.

The game's already gold, so personally I would just grab the full game when it's out.

SAMAS wrote:They're not any more Crazy anime space robots than the Mobile Infantry from Starship Troopers(and they don't even have nukes!).

I'll be honest, I know nothing about the the Starship Troopers book, however since its a book, and I'm guessing it's not fully illustrated. I'm going to say that this doesn't really relate. I dislike the look, not the fact that they have jump jets or plasma weapons.

SAMAS wrote: Besides, if the Imperium can have huge 100-foot tall mecha, and the Eldar have the beautiful mystic women with swords, and Chaos has hermaphroditic demon-girls, what's wrong with 8-foot-tall powersuits?

Okay, have you seen what imperium mechs look like? They're well armed chruches with legs!

Also, the rocket clusters the Tau have look really stupid.

No they don't.

Do too!

The fact that the Imperial Guard don't have Brightlance-style platforms.

I get that they were going for

but I really perfer

Additionally, I'm not keen on the idea that they just morph into buildings; sure they have a little (VERY little) protective plate, but they should still be 2 infantry guys who can get shot, torn apart and demoralized just like anyone else.

but.. they deploy sandbags! Sandbags are the ultimate defensive material! Bullets? pah! Lasers? Useless! Bolters? What's that little splash of dirt? melee weapons? Try chopping through sand! Plasma? Maybe I get some glass now. The only thing sandbagged troops have to fear is the flamer

And I like the idea of Heavy Weapons teams for Guard. Guard have always been more defensive than any other race.

Apparently though, in the year 40,000 people wearing military clothing, or green skinned aliens are completely fireproof, and only get very very upset if hit by a stream of flame for 5 seconds.

Edit: Doesn't the church make it rather topheavy? Particularly with those 'teeny stick' upper legs?

InnocentBystander wrote:

SAMAS wrote: Besides, if the Imperium can have huge 100-foot tall mecha, and the Eldar have the beautiful mystic women with swords, and Chaos has hermaphroditic demon-girls, what's wrong with 8-foot-tall powersuits?

Okay, have you seen what imperium mechs look like? They're well armed chruches with legs!

That's only the Imperator. Warlords, Reavers, and Warhounds are much less Cathedreal-like.

And that doesn't explain Eldar Titans and Ork Gargants.

Also, the rocket clusters the Tau have look really stupid.

No they don't.

Do too!

Do not!

The fact that the Imperial Guard don't have Brightlance-style platforms.

I get that they were going for

but I really perfer

I always thought those looked goofy. Especially after seeing someone make HWT's like that in a Pre-WA Mod using Steel Legion. They looked like they were riding tiny go-karts.

Additionally, I'm not keen on the idea that they just morph into buildings; sure they have a little (VERY little) protective plate, but they should still be 2 infantry guys who can get shot, torn apart and demoralized just like anyone else.

Remember that those weren't the final models/stats. For Example, I've seen pictures of the actual DC Daemon Prince, and it no longer resembles the one from the end of the DoW Campaign. So we don't know if they have an animation or not yet.

The OLD Titans looked like churches. The NEW titans wouldn't look out of place in MechWarrior 6.