Is Taris a BDZ? (Spoilers)

Striderteen · Post by **Striderteen** » 2004-06-07 02:40am

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Striderteen wrote:Carth states that there isn't anything on Taris over two stories high that hasn't been reduced to rubble, so it was a full-scale orbital bombardment but *not* a BDZ. Which makes me feel much better, since the Outcasts should be fine in their underground colony.
Doubtful, it was supose to take them months to walk there....

As to the original question, I believe one of the random "throw-away" characters stated that only the city was destroyed.

They wouldn't have reached the Promised Land yet, but they're in no real danger from a surface bombardment unless it's a full-scale BDZ.

apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2004-06-10 01:34am

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Striderteen wrote:Carth states that there isn't anything on Taris over two stories high that hasn't been reduced to rubble, so it was a full-scale orbital bombardment but *not* a BDZ. Which makes me feel much better, since the Outcasts should be fine in their underground colony.
Doubtful, it was supose to take them months to walk there....

As to the original question, I believe one of the random "throw-away" characters stated that only the city was destroyed.

Okay, minor nitpick, but IIRC the city covered the whole planet, (like Coruscant) so basically if you attack the city, your attacking the planet. However, I don't actually remember this scene your referencing. Also, Malak wanted them to "wipe this pathetic planet off the face of the galaxy" (at least I think that was the quote) so I doubt anything was left.

That being said, like posted earlier, I don't see it being a BDZ. That involves much more than what was stated or depicted.

Faqa · Post by **Faqa** » 2004-06-11 03:38pm

Malak's fleet would've had to blast through the well-constructed Upper-City and a robust Lower City(it takes the weight of the city above, no?) in order to hit the Outcasts(depending on how you did the quests, he'd have to penetrate a sewer system too). I don't see the fleet expanding THAT many resources, especially when their primary target, Bastila, just zoomed away in the Hawk. Much more likely that he called them off when the Lower City had crumbled. Why waste resources bombarding a useless planet? Malak had to rush his fleet off to continue the war and track the Hawk(so he could send a grand total of... six fighters after it....

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Maybe Obsidian will settle the issue in KOTOR 2...

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-06-11 03:49pm

Faqa wrote:Malak's fleet would've had to blast through the well-constructed Upper-City and a robust Lower City(it takes the weight of the city above, no?) in order to hit the Outcasts(depending on how you did the quests, he'd have to penetrate a sewer system too). I don't see the fleet expanding THAT many resources, especially when their primary target, Bastila, just zoomed away in the Hawk. Much more likely that he called them off when the Lower City had crumbled. Why waste resources bombarding a useless planet? Malak had to rush his fleet off to continue the war and track the Hawk(so he could send a grand total of... six fighters after it.... )

Maybe Obsidian will settle the issue in KOTOR 2...

are you sure that Malak knew that Bastilla was on the Hawk, if I was Malak I would Bombard the planet until I was sure Bastilla wasn't on the planet or she had died in the bombarment.

Faqa · Post by **Faqa** » 2004-06-11 04:13pm

Jedi can sense each other, no? Unless Malak is highly incompetent as a Force-user, a Jedi should be nice and fat on his "Force radar". The Canon films repeatedly show Vader or the Emperor 'sensing' Luke. Even if some of that is Luke being Vader's son, I'm pretty sure a Force user is visible to other Force users, especially since Malak was actively looking for Bastila(not sensing the player is different, since his talents are buried).

True, Malak COULD have pummeled the planet to pieces, "just to be on the safe side", but that's a tremendous waste of resources.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-06-11 04:35pm

Faqa wrote:Jedi can sense each other, no? Unless Malak is highly incompetent as a Force-user, a Jedi should be nice and fat on his "Force radar". The Canon films repeatedly show Vader or the Emperor 'sensing' Luke. Even if some of that is Luke being Vader's son, I'm pretty sure a Force user is visible to other Force users, especially since Malak was actively looking for Bastila(not sensing the player is different, since his talents are buried).

True, Malak COULD have pummeled the planet to pieces, "just to be on the safe side", but that's a tremendous waste of resources.

Force sence is not 100% accurate

Faqa · Post by **Faqa** » 2004-06-11 04:45pm

Yeah, but not sensing Bastila on a ship not very far from you(the Emperor sensed Luke's abilities waaaaaaay back in Coruscant in ESB)? A ship you'll likely notice as the <I>only</I> ship to clear the blockade? Please.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-06-11 04:51pm

Faqa wrote:Yeah, but not sensing Bastila on a ship not very far from you(the Emperor sensed Luke's abilities waaaaaaay back in Coruscant in ESB)? A ship you'll likely notice as the <I>only</I> ship to clear the blockade? Please.

Only problem is that apart from Yoda Luke is the only light side force user in ESB as Bastilla one many Jedi plus she's only a Padawan.

Faqa · Post by **Faqa** » 2004-06-11 04:55pm

But how many Jedi are in the vicinity of Taris? And I get the feeling Bastila was held down as Padawan so the Council could order her around better. She looked pretty badass to me(Sentinels CAN be good).

No, if Malak was so bad a Force user he couldn't sense Bastila, he doesn't deserve the title of Dark Lord.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-06-11 04:59pm

Faqa wrote:No, if Malak was so bad a Force user he couldn't sense Bastila, he doesn't deserve the title of Dark Lord.

So what else new. He had use a starship to take Revans place.

Faqa · Post by **Faqa** » 2004-06-11 05:06pm

He also managed to Stasis a Sentinel, something no other Dark Jedi could do, something she's TRAINED against. Don't discount the big guy just cause he's got no jaw....

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-06-11 05:13pm

Faqa wrote:He also managed to Stasis a Sentinel, something no other Dark Jedi could do, something she's TRAINED against. Don't discount the big guy just cause he's got no jaw....

And leather fetish.

I'm not saing he's very weak just impatient.

Faqa · Post by **Faqa** » 2004-06-12 05:21am

Impaitent, maybe, but he's still powerful enough to sense a Jedi 20 feet or so away.

Draxle · Post by **Draxle** » 2004-06-14 05:07pm

Jaepheth wrote:One thing I was wondering is: are the Sith ships in KOTOR new designs? or are they Rakatan designed ships? I'm just wondering how flexible the Star Forge is at creating different designs of ships.

I don't know if there is an official word, but the consensus seems to be that the Star Destroyer precursor sith ships are based on Rakatan designs. However, the best way to verify this would be to get some in-game dialogue to support either claim. I'm going to take a look at the computer in the Temple Basement and see if it has anything to say... I'll post about it in a bit.

Jaepheth · Post by **Jaepheth** » 2004-06-14 05:40pm

Lord Revan wrote:
Faqa wrote:Jedi can sense each other, no? Unless Malak is highly incompetent as a Force-user, a Jedi should be nice and fat on his "Force radar". The Canon films repeatedly show Vader or the Emperor 'sensing' Luke. Even if some of that is Luke being Vader's son, I'm pretty sure a Force user is visible to other Force users, especially since Malak was actively looking for Bastila(not sensing the player is different, since his talents are buried).

True, Malak COULD have pummeled the planet to pieces, "just to be on the safe side", but that's a tremendous waste of resources.
Force sence is not 100% accurate

Vader and Luke were father and son, It's not a standard force sense scenario. After all, when Vader told the emporer he sensed his son, Palpatine replied "Strange that I have not. I wonder if your feelings on this are clear."

Striderteen · Post by **Striderteen** » 2004-06-15 04:36pm

"You saw what he did to Taris, there wasn't one building over two stories high left standing. They turned the planet into one big pile of rubble."